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FORKNI-L Digest - 17 Jan 2001 to 18 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-19)
Thu, 18 Jan 2001
There are 25 messages totalling 1005 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Looks like FK is gone from SciFi
2. Rose is sick
3. Horrorscopes (2)
4. FORKNI-L Digest (#2001-17)
5. Lacroix Mortalfied (3)
6. Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes) (4)
7. Enforcers (2)
8. Tracy on Andromeda (2)
9. Tracy and Vampires
10. VCR Alert
11. Toronto(ish) question - DWI vs. DUI; also, Coroner vs ME
12. Toronto(ish) question - DWI vs. DUI; also,Coroner vs ME
13. Tracy and Vampires...and more Vampires
14. FK Alumni Alert !!!
15. Catching that thing that is going around.... (2)
16. [Catching that thing that is going around....]
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:23:07 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Re: Looks like FK is gone from SciFi
Laudon1965@a....... says:
>Huh? These two statements are mutually contradictory.>
Not really. If you go to the SciFi website and you look at their series
list, Forever Knight isn't listed. The only place you can find a direct
link for Forever Knight is at the Forums (Colony) site.
Once you hit the Forever Knight Forum, you can then link out to the page
(which they haven't removed yet).
susanmgarrett@e....... -- http://home.earthlink.net/~susanmgarrett/
EVER Faithful Ravenette. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2167/fiction.htm
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:30:50 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Rose is sick
Rose lies on her living room floor, bored out of her mind, with just too
little energy to move. Looking disgustedly at the pile of tissues next to
her, she dreams of those little blue dimatap pills that worked so well in
the past.
Kyer would recommend lots of raw garlic tea and even more fresh hot/warm
water, but that is only if you're willing to have your favorite vamps look
at you askance the first sympathy visit....and then relegate all future
visits to 'by telephone' only.
Sighed,
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Well if you'd a just told me you were comming over, Milord, I would have
fumigated first!
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:21:11 -0500
From: Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes
Bonnie Kate wrote:
>Physically speaking, Nick may have issues which LaCroix doesn't, but
>intellectually don't you think if Urs would bore Nick, that she'd bore
>LaCroix as well?<snip>
>And I have to say that I think Nick is LESS likely to mistreat Urs, and
>less likely to be an enabler, than LaCroix is. LaCroix likes to be in
>control, to out wit, to dominate <snip>
I know, I know. As soon as I sent out the post, I thought, "Cindy, *what*
are you *saying*?!" <G>
Even at the time I was writing it, I knew I couldn't really defend the
idea. I suppose I was thinking more of the somewhat kinder, gentler Lacroix
(yeah, right <g>) that seemed to appear toward the end of third season.
And, probably, that thought was pushed along by some post-LK fanfic that
had Urs and LC in what seemed like a fairly plausible and mutually
beneficial relationship. (As depicted in a series of stories by Arletta
Asbury.)
But based on what we know of LC from the series, unless he behaves very
differently with vampires who are *not* his children, then an LC/Urs
relationship would be bad news. And while I do think Urs could be good for
him emotionally -- *if* he responded in an appropriate fashion (and that's
a very big "if") -- I agree they would have even less in common,
intellectually speaking.
>we've seen this time and time again in the series. He even holds sway
>over Janette who is far, far older and stronger than Urs is. If anyone
>is like the men who have used Urs in the past, it's LaCroix.
Well, I'm not really sure what kind of men have used Urs in the past. A man
doesn't necessarily have to be controlling or manipulative to use a woman.
Some otherwise nice guys could be equally guilty, given the time period and
the circumstances surrounding her life. I doubt the men she encountered
were that socially conscious. Especially if, in her emotional/psychological
confusion and despair, she seemed willing to be used. So I think that point
is strictly supposition, although a natural one.
>They may attract, but that doesn't mean that the relationship would be a
>healthy one, especially not for Urs. She needs a man who will respect
>her, treat her as an equal, and allow her to figure out her own problems.
>That is, if she even needs a man at all at this point in her life.
Absolutely.
While I don't think we can automatically discount the possibility that
Lacroix would respect Urs and treat her very well, I do admit it could just
as easily (and probably more likely) go in the other direction.
And, as both Bonnies have already pointed out, a man (and subsequent
relationship) may be the last thing Urs needs or wants. With the emotional
and psychological baggage she's been carrying around, it could be very low
on the priority list.
>You all do realize that, in the last couple of days, we have spent more
>time talking about Urs than she actually had of screen time!! Oh, the
>irony.
And about time! Don'tcha think? <g>
Speaking of time spent talking, I don't think I've posted this much in two
years! I sense it's time to go back to lurking ...
Cindy Ingram
<cgi271@a.......>
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams.
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:48:26 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Horrorscopes
At 07:21 PM 1/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Speaking of time spent talking, I don't think I've posted this much in two
>years! I sense it's time to go back to lurking ...
>Cindy Ingram
BOOO! Bad idea! Cindy, get out of that corner! "g"
Portia
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:48:03 -0600
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: FORKNI-L Digest (#2001-17)
Could someone send me a copy of the Digest #2001-17? My mailer decided it
was tasty and ate it up. It came up with just the header (the bones?).
thanks!
monica
luscious lucius lover
"I can be your strength when you have none. I can be your wisdom, your
truth... and all you need to share with me is your very soul." LaCroix
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:36:39 EST
From: Paula Newman <RAVENSFYRE67@a.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied
In a message dated 01/16/2001 11:17:15PM EST
BrandyKitt@a....... writes:
>Oh, can you imagine Nick as Petruchio and Nat as Katherine?
>But would Janette be Bianca? And Lacroix as the father of the
>two ladies?
Actually I think Nick and Nat would more easily fall into the roles of
Lucentio and Bianca, and Janette as Katherine. However, we're talking
roll reversal for Lucentio and Bianca if Lacroix is Minola Batista. After
all Nick is his "child" not Nat.
Further, Nick and Nat are, supposedly, already in love. Just as Lucentio
and Bianca. It is Janette who could careless about mortals to begin with and
the ends up falling in love with one.
RavensFyre
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:08:03 -0800
From: Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
At 05:00 PM 1/17/01 -0500, Bonnie Rutledge wrote:
><snip> It's not that I don't agree with you here, it's just that, well, I
>don't exactly agree with you here.<snip>
>Hey, after reading what you wrote, *I* don't exactly agree with me!
LOL!
>I like this line of supposition. Sure, there's lots of 'maybes,' but you have a
>quote to support it! Quotes are important, especially when they're from Vachon!
Anythings especially important when it's from Vachon!!
>Which is why I can't embrace 'Les Mis' embracing. They're Humpty Dumpty
>sitting on the wall. Sure, it might make for a nice view, but if somebody
>takes a fall, they're broken, and the other one's left treading eggshells
>if they ever get down.
True, true. There are definite pitfalls to a relationship between Urs and Nick.
Your line of discussion here reminds me of "Ordinary People" when Timothy
Hutton's friend succeeds in committing suicide and he, despite all the progress
he'd made, immediately attempts the same. The most messed up two people are,
the slipprier the wall, and the harder they fall.
I'm not sure Urs and Nick are this close to the edge, though. It's difficult in
hindsight to say third season was a good year for Nick, but there was a lot of
hope in it. Urs did seem to reach at least a moment of enlightenment at the end
of Hearts of Darkness. And, as you say, if Urs was fighting Divia with all her
heart and soul, then maybe she did reach the ephiphny she needed to. If so,
it's possible that her new found hope could have been a powerful inspiration for
Nick.
>Oh! Oh! This reminds me! Wasn't there some kind of theory, an "I don't take
>killing as lightly as you, Vachon" idea that Urs has never killed a mortal?
Well, we don't know if she has ever killed mortals or not. There is zero
evidence, other than this one exchange from HoD.
Vachon asks her if she killed the man who left the club with Monica. She then
says, "No. Of course not. I don't take death as lightly as you do, Javier."
Vachon is accusing her of murder -- killing for revenge, not for food nor in
self-defence.
>Like, she's modern enough to have made it by the bottled blood suppliers
>alone?
I can agree with this, too. Just to confuse the issue. <g> But, you're right.
Urs has been a vampire since just before the turn of the century. The first
blood bank was established in 1935, but I don't know when blood storage was
first successful -- whole blood doesn't last that long. I suppose it's possible
that the vampire community was a little ahead of the mortals on this one, so, at
the outside, I'd say there were only a handful of years when Urs wouldn't have
had access to bottled blood.
Again, though, this adds to Vachon's claim that she had, apparently, reverted to
her old self -- maybe meaning, reverted to killing. Wow! Maybe this means that
Urs wasn't just killing to feed, but what if -- like Nat's brother Robert -- she
was killing to take revenge ... on the men who hurt her or the men like them?!
Maybe she had to get that out of her system and once she did, she didn't want to
kill again and it was then that she turned to bottled blood. Just a theory, of
course.
>Okay, that would be something about her that might fascinate Nick
>beyond a 'pretector' role.
So, yes, she may have turned to bottled blood because she had a realization that
killing was wrong. Maybe Robert would have come to this same conclusion once
the blood-lust waned, if Nick had given him a little more time. And, if Urs was
a pacifist for similar reasons, I could see this interesting Nick.
><snip>a sponsor can lead you through steps, give you advice, and
>encourage. The person with the problem can be self-aware of what
>they're doing <snip> and the reason they're doing it <snip>, but
>still fall into a pattern of doing better for a time, then falling off a wagon.
True. But sometimes having someone on the wagon with you -- going to Weight
Watchers with a buddy, for instance -- can be a helpful thing because they
understand your feelings. I'm just saying it MIGHT work. It might not, but it
might. I would like to see it played out, though -- get Nat involved, see what
pressures or encouragements Urs might encounter from Vachon, what LaCroix would
do.... Oh, just oodles of possibilities here, no matter the outcome. And,
while I honestly don't see them romantically, I just think that there are so
many possibilities as them being better acquainted that I support the notion of
this faction.
>I've heard many recovering addicts and people with eating disorders speak
>about 'a moment of clarity' (Probably heard it on 'Oprah,' too <g>), when
>their perspective shifts, and suddenly what seemed insurmountable and
>inescapable becomes manageable, something they can achieve, forgive or forget.
So, you don't think that moment in the Raven at the end of HoD was Urs's
"moment" -- because she didn't say she was no longer suicidal. When do you
think she had her moment? What might have been the trigger? I would have LOVED
to have seen this whole thing explored in the series -- and related to Nick and
his quest, because it's his show and because it would be an interesting
comparision/contrast.
>It's the old 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't
>make him drink' philosophy.
Well, maybe not, but you can stand there and watch!! And it's a funny thing to
watch, too -- the horse, I mean. I'm just saying, sometimes someone being there
is helpful, someone encouraging, someone who isn't going to condemn you because
you didn't drink your dern protein shake today or because you slept with some
pretty medicine woman who took your evilness away!
Not that I'm ragging on Nat here, just teasing. She might actually find Urs's
presence useful. Another set of blood samples for comparision, someone to talk
to Nick about vampire issues without getting him to drink human blood like
LaCroix or Janette, someone who might take a different tone when Nick does fall
off the wagon -- and maybe that would take a little pressure off Nat, who needs
a little pressure taken off!!
Take an episode for example, um ... "The Games Vampires Play" -- Nick is bored.
Why? Hmm, no one to play with? Call Urs. Nick gets all hyped about the game
because no one is on his side, no one believes he knows what he's doing. Call
Urs, she'd believe him, she'd tell him how smart he was and then she'd ask if
she could play too. He'd have solved the crime in half the time and not gotten
stuck in St. John's church after sunrise! And, with Urs's support, he wouldn't
have whammied a cop in the middle of the precinct, almost blowing his cover and
definitely getting his butt chewed off by an irate Nat.
I just think Nick needs more friends! And Nat needs someone else to distract
her just a little bit, so she doesn't get so frustrated with his frustrations.
><snip>Most suicidal people will fight when someone else tries to harm them<snip>
>Yeah, I thought about that argument, but I really, really didn't like it!
I don't really like it either, but it's true. However, I am hoping as you are,
and I said so immediately after AtA, that Urs was finally fighting to LIVE!
Heck, she put up a better fight than Vachon did: "Ow, you're hurting my wrist,
you snotty little girl! Ow!" LOL! Granted, Divia tricked him, but Urs knew
immediately that Divia was a threat!
><snip>I want her to have that epiphany, to experience a surge
>of delight and pride that she's alive. I want her to act, not react.
>I don't want that *HISS* to mean "I'm afraid," but "I'm not afraid, you
>pipsqueak, daddy-loving bitch!"
I just don't know when this epiphany would have happened. We don't see Urs at
all between Trophy Girl and Ashes To Ashes (of course, an appearance in Avenging
Angel would have been more than appropriate). Hmm, but here's something
interesting: what if Urs got sick in Fever like everyone else? What if she came
so close to dying that she finally realized that she didn't want to die anymore?
>Okay, so I'm getting carried away, but that scenario makes Urs' ultimate death
>truly bittersweet, and I like that motivation for the character SOOO much
>better.
I do, too!! See, we can agree. <g> Just chip, chip, chip away at each others
arguement until there's only the middle ground left to stand on. <vbg>
>Absolutely! That episode gave Urs dimension, actual foundation for discussion.
>Alma and Brianna, Bourbon, Thomas Monroe, Daniel, Feliks Twist, Aristotle, The
>Enforcers, Alexandra, Francesca - whatever we cook up to say about their past
>is really so much speculation, because their screen time gave so little fodder.
>The only reason I don't lump Miklos in there is he at least has the peccadillo
>of appearing in one episode as a vamp and one as cross-friendly whatever.
Um, ah. Huh? Cross-friendly whatever? Not to get off the Urs/Nick wagon, but
Bourbon was in two episodes, too. I mentioned Alma and Brianna specifically
because, if you take away HoD, Urs's lines could have been given to just about
anyone. Her role in Trophy Girl, especially could have been said by Brianna or
Alma -- which would have told us a bit more about HIM but really nothing about
the girl who said it. But, the fact that it was Urs who said that line, knowing
what we know from the episode just the week before (HoD), it puts a whole new
spin on things.
That one line says that Urs is okay with Vachon seeing other women. She's not
worried about him possibly loving someone else. And, despite "not taking death
lightly," she doesn't seem at all concerned for Tracy's safety because she know
Vachon and what he is.
Could Urs's epiphany have taken place between these two episodes??
As far as the "She has a twin sister" line goes -- just so know one says that
I'm conveniently forgetting about it. Well, I say, maybe she's tipsy! Or,
maybe she's just referring to the little know fact that Vachon has a thing for
twins. ;-)
>Oh, yes! I'd have loved a flash of the 1000 year gap in LaCroix's past
There has to be enough fodder here for a decade long series!!! Years of angst
over killing Divia. A few false starts before finally finding Janette.
Wenches, wenches, wenches!! Life with Nero.
>before Janette came along, and an episode devoted to Natalie, and
>a pre-conquistador flashback for Vachon, some Crusades footage for Nick,
>more Bourbon, a highlight of Screed's art days with Andy Warhol...<g>
Tell me about it! The fact that 5 years later there we are even having this
discussion says to me that Parriot cut the cord way too soon. If TPTB can go
for 6 seasons of will Nikita and Michael get together and who is her father,
then surely there was more they could have written about this lot of psychotic
vampires and the mortals who love them.
>Oh, well. That's why we have fanfic, isn't it?
It's a built in story challenge -- write a story about one of the characters
during their "lost years"!! Any of the vampires as a mortal. Nat before Nick.
Tracy before Homicide. Urs pre-Toronto. Janette post-Paris, pre-Nick. Choose
your poison!!
>Oh, well. That's why we have fanfic, isn't it? For the stories that were
>never told, but should have been. (Not that the definition applies to
>half of mine. Screed in Lycra Speedos, indeed!)
And that's also why we still have such a healthy, happy FORKNI-L!!!
><snip> Bonnie Kate, happy to discuss just about anything with Bonnie Rutledge
>just about any ol' time! :-)<snip>
>I feel the same!
This discussion has been brought to you by the letter B and the color red.
Everybody hug!
Bonnie Kate
<callalily@l.......>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:41:01 -0800
From: Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied
At 05:00 PM 1/17/01 -0500, Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
>Okay, they say you should never explain a joke, but I was
>referring to a passage from Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew"
Yes, yes, I knew this.
I did, however, pull out my autographed copy of "Taming" to double check that I
was also not ...
Kate of Kate Hall (nor do I even know what this one is supposed to *mean*!)
Kate of anyone's consolation
Good Kate
Chaste Kate
Wild Kate
Household Kate
and most especially not Sweet Katherine
But, I think you for the witticism.
Bonnie Prince(ss) Charlie
callalily@l.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:51:09 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Enforcers
Where's Ron when we need him? <G>
For those that don't know we have our very own Enforcer - Ron. He's a fan
who plays the Enforcer character during wars. He's really nice. I met him in
Toronto almost 5 years ago.
Judy
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:57:29 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Tracy on Andromeda
In a message dated 1/10/01 5:02:02 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:
<< Did anyone else eat much in that show though?? Guess you don't get very
hungry on the night shift.
>>
Nat ate a few times - Chinese food, dissecting a chicken with Grace, birthday
cake, and a few more I can't think of right now.
Schanke was always eating. I was watching Hunted during my weightlifting
workout this morning and he was eating probably a souvlaki around a dead, and
uncovered body.
Reese never could get water. He almost ate the explosive candy. Cohen did
drink coffee and I think she ate at some point. I'm pretty sure Stonetree ate
because I remember him getting food delivered in at least one ep. Grace ate
cake and a chicken leg/thigh after Nat had dissected the chicken to Grace's
suggestion.
Judy
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:18:53 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Tracy and Vampires
In a message dated 1/10/01 5:02:02 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:
<< Tracy is not stupid because she doesn't know what we know. Tracy is not
stupid for not suspecting Nick -- she has been given every reason to believe
that he is mortal. For goodness sakes, she might as well suspect Natalie of
being a vampire, which is equally as possible from Tracy's point of view --
maybe even more so, since Nat has obviously seen fang-marks on dead bodies
and has yet to report them to anyone.
>>
I never thought of her suspecting Nat of being a vampire because of the fang
marks and no reports of them.
I wonder what Tracy thinks of Nat's not reporting fang marks as that, but
always finding some other explanation. THen again.... she might just think
Nat wouldn't know that they're vampire fangs, and might truly think it is
some sort of animal. She wouldn't think Nat knows about vampires.
Tracy might think she's the only one who's seen vampires. Who knows they
really exist.
I think that if she knew Nat either knew about vampires or was one, she'd be
relieved to have someone female to talk about.
She did suspect that Lacroix is a vampire, and not a very nice one.
Judy
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:26:45 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Tracy on Andromeda
In a message dated 1/10/01 5:02:02 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:
<< Trophy Girl' was an excellent example -
she kills her first perp on the job, and it hits her hard. She cries and
gets it out of her system. >>
This was the first scene where I began to like Tracy. I liked how she cried
and at first was almost afraid to take her gun from her locker. Afraid she
might have to kill someone else, or be killed.
I like how she proved herself, but it wasn't very smart to go off on her own
without telling anyone, even Vachon. She could've been killed. I did like
watching her triumph at the end, barely.
Judy
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:41:23 +0800
From: Cheryl Hoffman <hoffman@p.......>
Subject: VCR Alert
Well, still no Satellite Guide this month. I really can't figure out what
the Chinese get out of them.
But, found one more:
NIGEL BENNETT:
Free Fall Family Channel 26
I'm headed to the states for a quick 3 week trip next week, so will be there
when the Feburary Guide comes out. So, next month, back to the usual list.
Cheryl Hoffman, NA (& I ain't changin' it), Cousin, NBN, GWDFC, G4
"My, my... we are in a mood tonight.." -LaCroix
hoffman@p....... dayabaygal@y.......
Dapeng, Shenzhen, CHINA AIM: DayaBayGal ICQ: 30464256
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:18:03 -0500
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Toronto(ish) question - DWI vs. DUI; also, Coroner vs ME
At 10:07 AM 1/17/01 -0700, Angela Gottfried wrote:
>I'm not in Toronto, but here in Western Canada, we don't usually use either
>abbreviation; instead, we talk about "impaired driving"
In New York State, DWI and DUI are two separate offenses, defined by two
different blood alcohol levels. IIRC, DUI (Driving Under the Influence of
Alcohol) is something like 0.05 percent blood alcohol level, and DWI
(Driving While Intoxicated) is something like 0.08 percent blood alcohol
level.
>Also, in Canada we don't do roadside sobriety tests, which I gather is what
>happens in the States.
In some areas, the local police do set up sobriety checkpoints -- but it's
not every corner, every weekend. It's usually a high traffic corner where
there are lots of accidents, or when exiting a public park where there is
known incidence of alcohol consumption (regardless of whether or not it's
officially allowed), and usually on a holiday weekend. The standard form is
for the police to block the road, ask you to pull down your window, and ask
you a couple of questions (basically, where you're going this evening). If
your driving up to the roadblock, or your answers to the questions, or your
breath, causes them to suspect you may be DUI/DWI, they can then ask you to
walk a straight line, require you to take a breathalyzer test, and/or bring
you down to the precinct for a blood test.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:19:50 -0500
From: Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Toronto(ish) question - DWI vs. DUI; also,Coroner vs ME
> At 10:07 AM 1/17/01 -0700, Angela Gottfried wrote:
> >I'm not in Toronto, but here in Western Canada, we don't usually use either
> >abbreviation; instead, we talk about "impaired driving"
I guess I missed seeing this the first time around. The term under
the Criminal Code of Canada is, as Angela says, driving while
impaired (DWI) which can refer to alcohol, drugs or even extreme
fatigue although there are separate sections of the Criminal Code to
deal with levels of alcohol.
> >Also, in Canada we don't do roadside sobriety tests, which I gather is what
> >happens in the States.
This can happen in Ontario. There has been a program called R.I.D.E.
(Reduce Impaired Driving Everywhere) for at least 20 years in the
Toronto area. It used to be only around the holiday seasons, but now
operates year-round. They operate spotchecks at highway on-ramps or
in the club districts.
--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:11:41 EST
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Lacroix Mortalfied
In a message dated 1/17/01 10:41:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
callalily@l....... writes:
<< I did, however, pull out my autographed copy of "Taming" >>
An autographed copy of Shakespeare? Does the Folger Library
know about this? Good golly, and I always figured old Will for
the Paul Newman, "I don't do autographs" type. <g>
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:56:33 EST
From: Marel Darby <Frostsaint2@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
> >Oh, yes! I'd have loved a flash of the 1000 year gap in LaCroix's past
>
> There has to be enough fodder here for a decade long series!!! Years of
> angst over killing Divia. A few false starts before finally finding Janette.
> Wenches, wenches, wenches!! Life with Nero.
I'd love to hear about his time with Nero, too. <g> Although, in spite of
LaCroix's reference to him, which gave the impression (to me) that he was
with Nero *after* Divia brought him over, Nero Claudius Caesar died
in 68 CE. If LaCroix 'taught him the tune',or somesuch, it was as a mortal.
Is there any fanfic which describes LaCroix and Divia's travels together
for the twenty years before they arrived at the Egyptian tomb? I'm just
wondering why it took her two decades to bring up *that* subject? She
didn't seem unduly reticent. <g>
Marel
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:11:43 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy and Vampires...and more Vampires
Hmmm...you know, for the most part, before this show, the prevalent view of
vampires was that they were solitary, rare creatures -- ie Dracula. Anne
Rice began to change that view, but I suspect that the idea of a vampire
community was still not pervasive. So I'm wondering if there was ever
anything to make Tracy think there would be many vampires around? If I'm
remembering correctly, Tracy knew of only 3 vamps --Vachon, the Inca,
Screed -- and they all had a connection to one another; outside of that
connection, what would lead her to believe there were scads of vampires
running around in Toronto (or in the world, for that matter)?
Speaking of scads -- I've been thinking....There couldn't have been *that*
many vampires in Toronto -- the city couldn't have supported them. Or if
there were many, it had to be because of the service the Raven provided in
making sufficient sustenance available. I wonder, if in addition to age,
Janette's control of the Raven and Nick's "office" as unofficial enforcer
didn't help to make LaCroix "big man in the city?" Not that he needed
help, but 2 such powerful influences, under his control, must have been
impressive. And perhaps, because of this combination, the vamp population
in Toronto might have been unusually large, but acceptable....
Hmmm, again....even with the service offered by the Raven, I still can't
see there being many vampires around. In my mind, the vampire nature would
not generally be content with existing primarily on bottled blood. Well,
even if they did exist primarily on the bottled stuff, I imagine there
would be a drive to indulge in the hunt and the kill, sufficient to cause
notice if the population was large. Maybe a lot of the Raven's clientele
were transients -- you know, just passing through on the move? Or maybe
there weren't *that many* vampires at the Raven, relatively speaking....
Portia, rambling sleepily
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:24:54 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
At 05:56 AM 1/18/01 EST, you wrote:
>> >Oh, yes! I'd have loved a flash of the 1000 year gap in LaCroix's past
>>
>> There has to be enough fodder here for a decade long series!!! Years of
>> angst over killing Divia. A few false starts before finally finding Janette.
>> Wenches, wenches, wenches!! Life with Nero.
>
>I'd love to hear about his time with Nero, too. <g> Although, in spite of
>LaCroix's reference to him, which gave the impression (to me) that he was
>with Nero *after* Divia brought him over, Nero Claudius Caesar died
>in 68 CE. If LaCroix 'taught him the tune',or somesuch, it was as a mortal.
There's a fanfic out there (sorry, don't know title/author) that has
LaCroix worming his way into influencing Nero. I think LC was the the son
of Greek(!) slave. LC gained Nero's attention through his ability to play
the lyre. There's a possibility I am combining 2 different stories, but I
know that this story/stories exist.
Portia
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:38:14 -0500
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Enforcers
At 12:51 AM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Where's Ron when we need him? <G>
>For those that don't know we have our very own Enforcer - Ron.
>He's a fan who plays the Enforcer character during wars.
Actually, though the Enforer character is male, the real person behind it
is female (Ronni Katz)...
Last I heard, Ronni'd gone back to school to complete a course of study
related to computers (I don't recall her concentration). She's involved
with the USS Tempest, a LARP (Live-Action Role Playing) group in central
New Jersey, and she shows up regularly at Shore Leave and a couple of other
cons.
I managed to miss Shore Leave this year, and I missed the holiday party my
STARFLEET chapter holds in conjunction with the Tempest and several other
STARFLEET and fannish groups, due to Frank's coming down with some sort of
bug that week (he's ok now).
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos: http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:19:17 +0800
From: Cheryl Hoffman <hoffman@p.......>
Subject: FK Alumni Alert !!!
Well, no sooner than I sent off that last post, walked to the mailbox
and, my goodness, there's the Guide. Just to let you know what mail is
like: it was postmarked in the US Dec 22, Priority Mail. It was stamped
received in China on Jan 11, and I got it here on Jan 18. That's 4 weeks,
and Priority Mail. And I really think all the problem is at the China
end. So, next time you want to complain about the mail at home, think
of me.
Well, enough of that. Here's what's on for the rest of the month. Only
a few goodies had slipped by, and I think I'd sent them out earlier.
Be sure to check your local listings for times.
Enjoy.
NIGEL BENNETT:
Love & Betrayal:Mia Farrow Story FoxMovies 19,20
The Crossing BIO 23
Darkman III, Die Darkman Die MoMax 26
Different LifeMovie 24
Free Fall Family 26
Gulag Mystery 19,23
Model By Day LifeMovie 31
(w/ David Hemblen, Clark Johnson, and Von Flores)
Narrow Margin Bravo 22,23
Soft Deceit HBO-P 23
(w/Von Flores, Krista Bridges, Gwyneth Walsh)
GERAINT WYN DAVIES:
Dancing in the Dark LifeMovie 22
CATHERINE DISHER:
Conspiracy of Silence LifeMovie 23
Earthquake in New York Family 24
A New Life Encore 22,26
JOHN KAPELOS:
And the Sea Will Tell LifeMovie 25
Cool & Crazy LifeMovie 21
The Craft USA 27,28
Deep End of the Ocean Max 27
Highway Heartbreaker LifeMovie 30-31
Man Trouble FoxMovies 27
16 Candles TBS 28
Young Hearts Unlimited Disney 31
DEBORAH DUCHENE:
Sugartime HBO-S 20,22,28
(caution: Mob Violence)
LISA RYDER: (Tracy)
Blackheart Show-EX 20,25,29
GARY FARMER: (Capt. Stonetree)
Blown Away USA 21,22
Dead Man Show 30
Show-2 20-26-29,31
NATSUKO OHAMA: (Capt. Cohen)
Blind Faith LifeMovie 30,31
Montana HBO-S 31
Skin Deep Encore 28
EARL PASTKO: (Miklos)
Dog Park StarZ 24,25,29
KRISTIN LEHMAN: (Urs)
Alaska Showtime 28
Dog Park StarZ 24,25,29
CHRISTINA COX: (Joan of Arc in For I Have Sinned)
Better Than Chocolate HBO-P 26
DAVID HEMBLEN: (Dr. Vanderwal in Sons of Belial)
Booty Call Comedy 26,27
NICOLE DE BOER: (Jeannie in Dark Knight)
Cube (w/Maurice Dean Wint) SciFi 20
My Date with the President's Daughter Disney 20,21
CYNTHIA BELLIVEAU: (Alexandra in Faithful Followers)
Hearst & Davies Affair True 22,28
Million Dollar Babies LifeMovie 25,26
(w/ Cedric Smith)
A New Life Encore 22,26
BERNARD BEHRENS: (Du Champs in Blood Money)
I'll Be Home for Christmas StarzT 19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26
COLM FEORE: (Walken in Blood Money)
The Red Violin HBO-P 23,31
DAMON D'OLIVEIRA: (Inca in Black Buddha)
Short Circuit 2 Encore 21,30
Flix 22,28
MoMax 28
MAURICE DEAN WINT:(Frank in Francesca)
Spenser: Pale Kings & Princes Mystery 21,27,28
Cube SciFi 20
Cheryl Hoffman, NA (& I ain't changin' it), Cousin, NBN, GWDFC, G4
"My, my... we are in a mood tonight.." -LaCroix
hoffman@p....... dayabaygal@y.......
Dapeng, Shenzhen, CHINA AIM: DayaBayGal ICQ: 30464256
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:27:01 EST
From: Sing to Angels <Sng2angels@a.......>
Subject: Re: Catching that thing that is going around....
I don't know, but I'm just getting over an icky cold/coughie thing too. I
thought that my computer had virus protection, but I guess that Norton
doesn't handle cold bugs...
Sing To Angels
****** A Decidedly Gray Cousin, Vaquero, Detester of Perkiness wherever it
may lay, FoSiL, N&NPacker and Forever Faithful (and just in case neither work
out, a secret valentine) *******
"Look for more than the naked eye can see, and sing the grief you find to
the angels above."
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:53:01 -0500
From: Melinda Hughes <Melinda_Hughes@v.......>
Subject: Re: Catching that thing that is going around....
Tell me about it!!! *as I peek around the corner of my computer monitor
furitively hoping to use it as a "Virus Shield"....
but of course that won't help me with bacteria.... *G*
Hope everyone feels better though!
-Mindi
*Sending y'all a cyber-herbal tea with honey, and many get well wishes*
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:11:00 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Urs (was Horrorscopes)
Sorry about my last post! I thought I had deleted everything but that one
sentence about Nero -- I somehow missed that the rest of the msg was still
present -- didn't mean to leave all the quote.
mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa
Portia
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:16:35 CST
From: Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Catching that thing that is going around....]
(Emily pulls out a magnifying glass and checks the computer in the student lab
for bugs, hoping to find the little critters)
Haven't found any yet, but a computer lab is notorious for speading bugs
around. I just hope I don't get one now that classes have started up again!
About the only bug I want is an FK one.
Emily
Sing to Angels <Sng2angels@a.......> wrote:
> I thought that my computer had virus protection, but I guess that Norton
doesn't handle cold bugs...
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