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FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Sep 2000 to 27 Sep 2000 (#2000-300)

Wed, 27 Sep 2000

There are 14 messages totalling 432 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Nick Questions
  2. Nick and Crosses (4)
  3. JADFE list
  4. [[FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses] (2)
  5. More Mad Knights
  6. Some shameless FK related eBay self promotion :-)
  7. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses] (3)
  8. Beta-reader wanted

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:58:05 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick Questions

In a message dated 9/26/00 5:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@l....... writes:

<< Kyer wrote:<But not too self-righteous to murder Nat's beloved kin?>

 Ah Kyer, I never said it was a concious decision.  In my opinion I think
 Nick's abysmal failures in transformations are because subconciously he
 doesn't want them to work.
  >>

Remember, Lacroix NEVER taught Nick how to properly bring someone across. I
think this is where a large portion of the problem came from. I'm sure LC
just taught him the very basics needed to survive, nothing more. That way
Nick would be eternally dependant on him. This would definitely have an
effect on what Nick did with Richard.

<<his attitude seems to be actually reminescent of LaCroix.  I hadn't
noticed it until just this moment.  Although Nick is much more strict.  "Do
as I do and feel as I feel or I'll destroy you."  One disagreement means a
staking. >>

A child reacts to not only what he was taught, but how he was taught. We've
seen enough glimpses of LC not being a very gentle teacher, so it was bound
to rub off eventually when Nick created an offspring.

<<Wow, Nick finally in a small way taking after papa.  Now that's funny. <g>>>

LC would find it pleasing and amusing, but Nick would be horrified. I had
never thought about it that way before. I just looked at it as Nick telling
Richie the rules in the most direct manner. Making sure he understood the
seriousness of it.

I think Nick just didn't know any better. He figured that Richard would do as
told (and since when does ANYONE on tv ever obey any words in the Stay
category?). He figured Richard would sleep until he got back. And if he woke
would amuse himself. Maybe Nick thought the new alarm code would somehow keep
Richard inside? He truly thought Richard was a decent and honorable man, and
that he could control the urge to kill. I guess he forgot that sometimes even
the good and honorable do loose track of the right/wrong line when they have
so much power. They forget that if you kill the bad guy, while it may be good
for the mortals, it is bad morally because it is killing.

Couldn't he have called in sick for one night? At least helped Richie through
that first night?  Then again... if he had done that, there would've been no
rest of story.

Maybe he wanted to be there for Nat, to make sure she didn't make any serious
boo boos that Nick couldn't cover up. Remember, this was totally new for her.
She had to be careful not to say the wrong thing, or act like her brother
wasn't really dead.

Judy

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:01:37 -0400
From:    Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

NightAngel wrote:

> is overwhelmed with all the religious symbols, but he settles down once
> hidden in the confessional.  <shrug>  To me, a confessional is still a

Maybe it's 'cause it was a fake confessional.  ;-)

The location was actually an Episcopalian (Anglican? Whatever Canadians
call what a co-worker of my mom's refers to as "Catholic Lite") church.
There's an equally visually impressive Catholic church a few blocks
away, but it was in the middle of a restoration and therefore full of
scaffolding and plastic sheeting at the time.  They did a pretty good
job of making the confessional basically look like it belonged there,
although they're usually not freestanding like that, but recessed into a
wall.

Also, if you look closely (and are used to what nineteenth-century-built
Catholic churches look like), a lot of the stuff on the walls is
not-quite-Catholic-looking in ways that I'm not sure how to explain.
Like that book sort of thing near the entrance--just not something I'd
expect to see in a Catholic church, although I couldn't begin to tell
you why.  I guess I don't really expect to see anything that's not the
Stations of the Cross, or saint statues of varying sizes.

I never really noticed any of it until after I'd actually visited the
church, tho.  They sure did know how to work a location...that being one
of the lesser examples, as opposed to the vast number of different
places they managed to wring out of Casa Loma and the Trinity College campus!
--
Valerie Meachum Kessler
valerie@w....... ~ www.wiliqueen.com
"Tony Head has a great American accent. I said 'What
would one of your friends sound like if he had a bad
American accent?'. He said, 'I don't know. I suppose
you would go crazy with the letter r.'"--James Marsters

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:51:49 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

> Ceily Trog wrote:
> Hmmm; what about the crosses on Nick's tunic when he returned
> home from the crusades with LaCroix and Janette in tow (BMV)?

Power-wise, there must be some distinction between the cross as a decorative
element (as embroidered on Nick's tunic)  and the cross used as a religious
symbol. Otherwise the vamps could hardly have gone anywhere for a good many
centuries, because it was ubiquitous in textiles, stone and wood. Janette
would have definitely have had a hard time shopping!

The crosses on Nick's tunic are *not* symbolic of his role as a crusader.
Such a cross would have been much larger, usually of red or white fabric,
and stitched onto the garment.

Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:02:32 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: JADFE list

> Carla Martinek
> I need the updated JADFE URL

 http://www.lady-lacroix.com/jadfe/

Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:08:37 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [[FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses]

I don't think that Nick would be bothered by any religious songs, but who
knows?  I think he'd feel a tad angsty, but I don't think he'd feel any
physical pain.  If the communion wine was blessed, FK vampires wouldn't be
able to drink it.  I have a feeling it would have the same effect as holy
water on them.  If it's not consecrated, however, then it would be just like
ordinary wine.  My theory is there is a certain energy in religious objects
that vampires are sensitive to.  It could be partly psychological, but I think
it's more complicated then being purely one or the other.  As for smell, as
long as there's no garlic, I don't think that would be a problem.

Just MHO.

Emily

Bob Cradock <cradock@s.......> wrote:

Could the other senses trigger similar responses this way?

emily.m.hanson@u.......
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
ICQ#: 73113057
FK Affiliation: Undecided.


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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:29:53 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: More Mad Knights

All,
My version was entitled: Immortal Twit!
<You can't answer that, can ?
Because you will never corrode the pie plate Till after the dishwasher is
done.
And is your rake damaged?
And so, in your naval, I'm the earlobe.
No, not the earlobe. You are my sinister postit note."
Casting T. F. Stone

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:49:23 -0700
From:    Nadine Ziekursch <naddy1228@y.......>
Subject: Some shameless FK related eBay self promotion :-)

hi everyone!
as the title says...I am selling some FK stuff on eBay
which I thought would be something fans would be
interested in but so far no bids :-( :-(  So I hope it
is okay to do some promotion for it here...<hiding and
sorry to the list mommy if that is a no no>

The items are two SciFi Mags (Cult Times and TV Zone)
with FK articles...and a GWD autograph I got as a gift
(got one already from the great fanclub...so why not
make someone else happy with the "left over" one...LOL

Either follow the links below or look for auctions by
ravenette1228

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Okay...now back to lurking... :-)

bye
NADINE

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Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:09:53 EDT
From:    Ceily Trog <Fk4ever1228@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

In a message dated 9/26/00 11:12:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
lorisieja@h....... writes:

<< I remember in that ep <<FIHS>>, when he leaves the confessional, he is
again so overpowered by the visions and graces of the church that he passes
out. >>

Was that the *only* reasons for Nick passing out?  It seems to me that there
was some mention of being weak from lack of feeding...or am I thinking of
another time, another ep?

Ceily
(fk4ever)
Who has no answers but is *still* enjoying this discussion.

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Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 17:36:59 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: [[FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses]

Emily wrote:
>
> I don't think that Nick would be bothered by any religious songs, but who
> knows?

Maybe your right.  Isn't there a place in an episode where Nick quotes
the Bible and he says something about knowing what the opposition is
doing.  If he can read the Bible (we know he can't touch it without
pain), then songs shouldn't bother him.
Jeannie

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Date:    Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:30:57 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses]

Nope, I just watched that ep last night and I think you may be on to
something.  Also, I think he passed out mostly because the Joan of Arc
flashbacks got a little too vivid and Father Rochefort had just dragged him
pretty close to the altar.  I don't remember if Nick actually bumped into the
altar or not.  That, combined with lack of "food" for so long, may have caused
him to faint.

Emily, who is also enjoying reading these posts.

Ceily Trog <Fk4ever1228@a.......> wrote:
-snip-

Was that the *only* reasons for Nick passing out?  It seems to me that there
was some mention of being weak from lack of feeding...or am I thinking of
another time, another ep?

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Date:    Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:13:20 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Beta-reader wanted

I have my first draft done.  It's another sequel in the series where Schanke
is a werewolf.  I need a beta reader for things like spelling, consistency,
etc.  Please reply off-list.

Thanks!

emily.m.hanson@u.......
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
ICQ#: 73113057
FK Affiliation: Undecided.

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Date:    Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:54:24 GMT
From:    Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses]

I can't imagine Nick would have gone to the church without feeding heavily
first.  Of course, the strain of being there might have increased his
requirements <g>.  I don't think Nick ever made it to the altar.  He bumped
into a pew when he passed out.  When he's about to pass out, we are shown a
mish-mash of the church itself, the statues and relics, so that is what I
thought "did him in".  If it had been hunger, we would have seen fangs, not
eyelids.  If it had been the trauma of the flashbacks, we should have seen
Joan then...  Just my 2cents... but Nick doesn't pass out very often, does
he?  And usually it's from blood loss?

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Date:    Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:07:54 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick and Crosses]

> Lorelei Sieja

> I can't imagine Nick would have gone to the church without feeding heavily
> first.  Of course, the strain of being there might have increased his
> requirements <g>.  I don't think Nick ever made it to the altar.

It's unlikely he would have gotten anywhere near the altar -- that's in the
sanctuary, and is off-limits to civilians for the most part. No one goes past
the altar railing unless they take part in a Mass or other service.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:37:17 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

Actually, there was a flashback of Joan when Nick was in the process of
passing out.  It was quick and combined with other images of the church from
back then.  And I don't think Nick bumped into the altar, but he was pretty
darn close to a cross.  I'm pretty sure it was the power of the flashback that
made him faint.

Emily

Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......> wrote:
(snip)
When he's about to pass out, we are shown a mish-mash of the church itself,
the statues and relics, so that is what I thought "did him in".  If it had
been the trauma of the flashbacks, we should have seen
Joan then...

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