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FORKNI-L Digest - 1 Sep 2000 to 2 Sep 2000 (#2000-275)

Sat, 2 Sep 2000

There are 18 messages totalling 489 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. quick question (4)
  2. Clothing in the 1800s (5)
  3. Yep, I'm back!  :)
  4. FORKNI-L Digest - 31 Aug 2000 to 1 Sep 2000 (#2000-274)
  5. Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay
  6. FK's Grace
  7. Auction results & trivia contest winner
  8. When FK invades Real Life
  9. Looking for Nancy Duemling
 10. Admin: Survivor/FK Crossover legalities
 11. 1800's Customs

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:13:42 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: quick question

In a message dated 8/31/00 9:58:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
BJDFKFan@a....... writes:

<< Well, yeah, as others pointed out he swore off killing after the ballerina
 episode, <snip> A whole squad of East German police/soldiers in "1966"
 immediately springs to mind, >>

Don't forget the French resistance woman that LaCroix manipulated him into
believing was a Nazi collaborator.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:38:26 -0400
From:    Pat Casey <magicpac@t.......>
Subject: Re: Clothing in the 1800s

AT your local bookstore, you might be able to find the book "The Writer's
Guide to Everyday Life in the 1800s", by McCutchon.

Just a thought,
Pat Casey, writing as Jayme Evans, www.jayme.evans.net
To Sail Through Time, available NOW, from SWP
Sinister Knight, coming April 2001, from SWP



-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
Diane Harris
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:44 PM
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Subject: Clothing in the 1800s


Does anyone know where I can find what people wore in the early 1800s on the
web?  I've found all sorts of pictures and stuff... but I'm stuck when it
comes to names of clothing articles.  <Never realized a flashback could be
so hard to write... ACK!>

My standard:  Nick wore blue jeans and a black silk shirt... well it just
won't work now...

:)

Diane (dharris@h.......)
Proud NNPacker, Knightie, FoDs, and budding CoTK.
http://www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:02:41 -0400
From:    Judith A Cataldo <JUDYCAT@p.......>
Subject: Re: Clothing in the 1800s

> Does anyone know where I can find what people wore in the early 1800s on the
> web?  I've found all sorts of pictures and stuff... but I'm stuck when it
> comes to names of clothing articles.  <Never realized a flashback could be
> so hard to write... ACK!>
Check out the Costumer's Manifesto at http://www.costumes.org  where you can
find not costume info and links from all periods of history but other
interesting info about the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.  My personal
favorite is "Dumpster Diver Decor"
http://www.costumes.org/pages/dumpdecor/dumpdecor.htm
If you don't find the info on her site-which is HUGE try the Costume Page at
http://users.aol.com/nebula5/costume.html   If this fails drop a note off
line.
Judy
judycat@p.......
http://pages.prodigy.net/judycat

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:05:04 -0800
From:    Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Clothing in the 1800s

Interesting stuff about the University of Alaska Fairbanks--you must be
kidding.  I work at UAF.  This campus is a joke, LC would not hang here
for a moment--no culture.
Barbara

I can't stand this indecision married with a lack of vision.
                                                             Tears for Fears

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:27:06 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Yep, I'm back!  :)

I wrote during my Personaes mishap:
> "Uh oh..""Not good.""Oh.. pasture paddies."
> .....shortly before loud crashing sound from unseen foundation of Internet
> highway structure <snip>

To which Cindy opined:
>Take the word of an old farmer, "loud crashing sound" is *not* exactly how I
> would describe this landing.

LOL!  But 'pasture paddies' was simply a colorful saying of Cotk's.  Dark
Squirette 'merely' landed at the unseen bottom of your computer screens
(presumably virtual concrete).  And just as soon as she has her elbow
surgically removed from her kneecap, she will begin hunting down the
Personaes responsible.  :)

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:16:43 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: quick question

Becky wrote: <snip>but let's face it, Nick *saying* he's swearing off
killing and Nick> *actually* not killing are two completely different
things.  He can say he> doesn't kill all he wants, but the fact is he killed
numerous folks after the> ballerina episode

I think he meant that he would no longer 'murder' people for food or
pleasure.  Killing in self-defense, in defense of others, and 'traitors'
during war time is IMHO another matter altogether as the point is to save
more lives.  This little Knightie is quite happy to see Nick show the
baddies how clean is fangs are up close and personal.  What's sad is when he
makes a mistake and causes 'friendly fire' as it were.  Friendly Fire is
always a calamity, but unfortunately unavoidable as we are only fallible
humans (or in Nick's case, one angsty vampire).  So go right on Serving and
Protecting, Nick!

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:29:13 EDT
From:    VladnKatrn@a.......
Subject: Re: Clothing in the 1800s

There's a wonderful video / PBS series on "The 1800 House".  A modern family
living for a month in High Victorian style (dress, manners, foodstuffs, etc).


The video is in my current PBS catalogue, so it might be available to inter
library loan or online (try www.pbs.org).  That way you can see how the
clothes make the people move.

Good luck with your fic.

Kat

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:36:52 -0400
From:    Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 31 Aug 2000 to 1 Sep 2000 (#2000-274)

> Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:47:04 -0400
> From: "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
>
> The only problem is that Screed doesn't take precautions when she goes into
> her feeding frenzy so she grabs his dinner, becoming...
>
> AMY, THE RAT EATER!
>
> Wouldn't those in the BTVS universe consider this to be cannibalism?

Or, in Willow's case, motivation to figure out how to undo the darn
transformation already...then again, what's worse: a deceased
out-of-control vampire for a father, or a psychotic witch trapped in a
cheerleading trophy for a mother?  Either way, maybe she's better off as
a rat after all...

Ow.  My head hurts now.


> Subject: Clothing in the 1800s
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:44:25 -0400
> From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
>
> Does anyone know where I can find what people wore in the early 1800s on the
> web?  I've found all sorts of pictures and stuff... but I'm stuck when it
> comes to names of clothing articles.  <Never realized a flashback could be
> so hard to write... ACK!>

Best bets:

The Costumer's Manifesto
http://www.costumes.org

The Costume Gallery's Online Library
http://www.costumegallery.com/research.htm

Also, for terminology it will help to narrow your search to
Regency-specific sites; there's a pretty substantial specialised
community out there, f'rinstance:

Jessamyn's Regency Costume Companion
http://www.songsmyth.com/costumecreation.html

About.com's links for Regency costume pages
http://reenactment.about.com/hobbies/reenactment/msubreg.htm

About.com's links for Napoleonic costume pages
http://reenactment.about.com/hobbies/reenactment/Msubnap.htm

And while it may not be directly useful to you in this project, one of
my all time favorite pages is a humorous piece (but still with some
practical information) aimed at romance readers, but great for anyone
who deals with historical fiction and/or costuming (an absolute MUST for
anyone who's ever worn a corset, bustle, hoops, or any combination of
the above!):

The Well-Dressed Heroine
http://www.autopen.com/romance.well.dressed.shtml

(Yes, I make this stuff for a living now.  Gosh, how could you tell?  *g*)
--
Valerie Meachum Kessler ~ valerie@w.......
WiliQueen's Woods:  www.wiliqueen.com
"I've never had to find a hard question in my life.
They've always found me first." -- Mara Jade

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Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 13:58:03 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: quick question

>Don't forget the French resistance woman that LaCroix manipulated him
>into believing was a Nazi collaborator.

It wasn't that he just killed her like he did the man earlier in the
show.  He actually drained her thus drinking human blood.

Jeannie

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:56 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

Ligeia wrote:
> Too impulsive, not enough self-control or even thinking ahead. The same
> flaw that got him shot in the first place was what caused him to fail as a
> vampire. I think that goes for Nick's other failed converts, too. Serena
> succeeded because she was very meticulous (she'd looked into Nick's
> background) and self-possessed.
>
I hadn't thoguht of this before but it makes a lot of sense.  Nicholas, the
romantic, headstrong member of Lord De La Barre's retinue became the
romantic, headstrong Nick Knight (along with a bunch of earlier, but similar
incarnations.  Lucius, the tactician (and politician) became LaCroix the
calculating, commanding LaCroix.  The idea that Serena could survive on her
own (and actually chose to do that) because she could figure out what needed
to be done (and plan ways to become mortal again) rather than rushing
headlong into a sunbeam, would make a ton of sense.

Thinking about Serena raises a question for me.  Would Nick have stayed with
her, and tried to help her cope, if she hadn't basically thrown him out?  I
can see that happening for a period of time because of his guilt at
misunderstanding what she wanted.

Barb

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:25:15 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: quick question

At 03:16 PM 9/1/00 -0700, you wrote:
  So go right on Serving and
>Protecting, Nick!
>:)=
>Kyer, kyer@p.......
>

Must say, thy devotion to thy Lord is passing touching, fair Kyer!

Portia

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:22:36 -0500
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Clothing in the 1800s

> VladnKatrn@a....... wrote:
> There's a wonderful video / PBS series on "The 1800 House".
> A modern family living for a month in High Victorian style (dress, manners,
> foodstuffs, etc).

Except that's the "1900 House," so the clothing they wore might not be
applicable to the decade in the 1800s you're writing about. It was a wonderful
show, though.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:03:41 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: FK's Grace

I was surfing the other night and came across Twice in a Lifetime. I stopped
on that channel because I recognized Sandi Ross (aka Grace). She was playing
the administrator of a children's shelter back in 1963. She loved the kids
she cared for like they were her own, but was afraid to show it because she
didn't want anything to go wrong and the home get closed down. The kids were
mostly, if not all, white.  Her character reminded me a lot of Grace. Sandi
still looks good.

Judy

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Date:    Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:39:32 -0400
From:    Allie Percy <allie@g.......>
Subject: Auction results & trivia contest winner

Thanks to everyone who participated in the latest GWDFC Internet
Charity Auction!  This event raised over $2,400 for Children's
Hospital Foundation -- way to go, everyone!

Now the moment you've all been waiting for - the winner of the FK
Trivia Contest!

Congratulations to Deb Laster, who wins this great prize package:

  - an authentic Raven matchbook
  - a photocopy of the FK script "Unreality TV"
  - Sci-Fi Entertainment magazine with FK interview
  - Forever Knight soundtrack volume 2
  - Lobster Claw harmonica
   (to play along with the soundtrack music, perhaps?) <g>

Deb, drop me an e-mail with your address and I'll get your prize out
to you soon!

Extra thanks to Nancy Duemling, who I left off the original
acknowledgements list -- she donated that great pile of classic FK
'zines in the FK Fan Starter Kit package ($345 final bid).  Thanks
Nancy!
--
Allie (allie@g.......)
GWDFC Internet Charity Auction!    http://www.gwdfc.org/auction
--

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Date:    Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:01:52 -0700
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: When FK invades Real Life

I just completed an FK story by Susan Bennett and Eva Robinson,  "Shadows
on the Heart;" in which Nick and Janette and late Nick and Nat watched
"ABBOTT & COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN."

And what should be playing on the SCIFI Channel, at the same time, but
ABBOTT & COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN !!

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Date:    Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:09:50 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Looking for Nancy Duemling

In a message dated 9/1/00 11:39:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, allie@g.......
writes:

<< Extra thanks to Nancy Duemling, who I left off the original
 acknowledgements list -- she donated that great pile of classic FK >>

I know a Nancy D from NOW where I live - is it you and you're FK? Let me know
off list.
Wanda

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Date:    Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:21:22 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Admin: Survivor/FK Crossover legalities

In a message dated 8/31/00 9:40:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:

<< Changing someone's name but leaving them clearly recognizable has allowed
 them to win libel suits. OTOH, if you did it in the form of parody, the real
 names would probably be acceptable. When Jerry Falwell sued over his real
 name being used in a humorous satire in which the situation was obscene, he
 lost. The judge held that parody and satire were exempt under fr >>

I believe that the rule of thumb is to decide who is it that you are making
fun of.  You have to be directly poking fun at the vehicle you are using.
For instance, a guy wrote a story using very obvious Dr. Suess style verse
and drawings - but he was not poking fun at Suess.  The book was some sort of
political thing and therefore considered in violation of copyrights.  OTOH,
in the satire above the writers were definitely making fun of Falwell so it
was acceptable.

For safety's sake and to distance yourself from the sit another yard, you
could modify the castaway's names to something amusing ie Richard King.  Or
cause Nick's current alias on the island to be Nicholas Richards.  ;-)

Casting T.F. Stone - my 2 cents coz I started it

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Date:    Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:27:25 -0700
From:    "Jan J." <jonesjan@g.......>
Subject: 1800's Customs

Someone was asking about customs
of the 1800's for fk fanfic background.

I have a url for the State Historical Society of Wisconsin
which has patterns/books/videos for sale for the
period from 1835 to 1899.  You might be able to
find the books they have listed at your local library.

http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/patterns/

Jan (a.k.a. Dark Knightie Jan, Jan1228)

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