FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 17 Aug 2000 (#2000-256)
Thu, 17 Aug 2000
There are 27 messages totalling 711 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. While we're penning down fans
2. Hmmm... (4)
3. "Penning" fans
4. [Re: While we're penning down fans]
5. I got FK mentioned on radio! (2)
6. Virtual 4 Season (2)
7. Perry's First Meal
8. "TPTB"
9. While we're penning down fans... (2)
10. LC's age
11. Admin: 44s list
12. clarification
13. Nick and Sunscreen (2)
14. On Holy Ground out of print (5)
15. BSG vs FK (was clarification)
16. Wolfy going No-mail for quite awhile...
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:29:47 GMT
From: Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......>
Subject: Re: While we're penning down fans
<<Oh, I can top that...A friend in college was born and lived in the England
until he was about 13. Then he moved to "Joisey,." (New Jersey) Den he came
to da U.P. for college, and became a yooper, dontcha know?
Cockney/Joisey/Yooper.
Carla>>>
Accents can be such a hoot! I took Spanish one year in the alternative high
school I attended, but my teacher was Chinese, and she had moved to the
States from Argentina. I'm told that her accent (and therefore my Spanish)
was unintelligible!
Then, in College I took a Linguistics course. The professor asked each of
us to say, "Good Morning, Mr. XXX". Then he told everyone where they were
from. He got more specific than just the state in most cases, telling them
even the city. But when he came to me, he was confused. Then he listed the
elements of my speach, correcting naming all the places I had lived: South
Milwaukee, Wisconsin (terrible accent, pronouncing "th" like "d" or "t"),
Madison, Wisconsin (standard Midwestern, if there is such a thing) The UP (I
was a yooper, too) downeast Maine, (ayuh!), and Boston. I never actually
lived there, but my mom has a pronounced Boston accent, and I must have
picked up some of it.
So, imagine what a Linguist would do with Nick????
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:35:22 GMT
From: Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......>
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
<<To me, LaCroix looked like he was in his mid thirties or so.>>
I think he was older. Nick was mid-thirties, and LaCroix seemed the "older
brother, father", not just because he was Nick's vampire master, but because
he was a more mature mortal when he was brought across. I pegged him to be
mid-forties in the series. That sounds so "old", but now that my husband
and I are there, and GER as well... I don't think it is!
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:49:47 EDT
From: MLCVamp@a.......
Subject: Re: "Penning" fans
<< I'm from [xxxxxxxxxx], Maryland, and a friend of mine here is madly in love
with Nick, but then again who wouldn't be? :0)
>>
Hi, I live in [xxxxxxxxxx]. Our wretched cable company still doesn't have the
Sci-Fi Channel, which most of the country has had since 1993 at least.
They've changed owners twice in the last few years, and they've certainly had
available channel slots -- which they fill with silly no-name stuff we never
heard of or else with duplicates of stuff we don't need more of (extra sports
channels and shopping channels or things like HBO 2). The only good new
channels we've received lately are History and Animal Planet. So I don't get
to see FK reruns, though I do have my tapes (unfortunately not properly
labeled, which in retrospect was rather empty-headed of me).
I subscribe to the list mainly to get news on future novels (if any) or other
developments such as maybe that reunion movie someday. Without the list, I
wouldn't have known about ON HOLY GROUND. BTW, what ever happened to the
Virtual 4th Season? I wonder if my sub lapsed, or has the project faded
away? Are the episodes archived?
Margaret Carter
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:55:48 CDT
From: Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: While we're penning down fans]
When I was an exchange student in Germany (way back in 93-94 for 6 months)
my host sister spoke English with a German accent combined with a Southern
accent because she was an exchange student and lived in Texas for 2 years. I
couldn't tell any difference when she spoke German, though.
And Americans I talked to in Germany said I had a European accent, but
obviously I must have lost it when I came back, because no one has said
anything since.
Emily
Tim Phillips wrote:
> I suddenly realized that it is possible that when Libs speakings
> the parts of Screed to herself, she has a cockney accent with a
> southern drawl.--
E-mail and MSN Messenger: emily.m.hanson@u.......
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:58:56 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: I got FK mentioned on radio!
Local radio show on WGN radio was talking about egroups. The host had just
joined a list, and was not prepared for the inundation of mail. :-)
I called up, and during the discussion, she asked me what groups I belonged to.
Of course, I mentioned FK. As well as my gravehunting list, my twinmoms list,
my Jody_Nye list...
I've now told several hundred thousand [xxxxxxxxxx] listeners just how weird I am.
:-) But I still got FK in there.
--
Carla
copper6500@y.......
IM me @ copper6500 (Yahoo & Aol)
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:19:05 -0700
From: fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Virtual 4 Season
<<Without the list, I wouldn't have known about ON HOLY GROUND. BTW, what
ever happened to the Virtual 4th Season?>>
That's a good question.... Does anyone know what happened to the Virtual
$th Season list on PSU?
<<I wonder if my sub lapsed, or has the project faded away? Are the
episodes archived? Margaret Carter>>
V4S Eps ar archived at http://www.fkfanfic.com/v4s/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:20:18 -0700
From: fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: I got FK mentioned on radio!
Way to GO Carla!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:22:13 EDT
From: Billie Lee <McCelt2000@a.......>
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
In a message dated 8/16/00 7:19:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
portia1@m....... writes:
> This sweet little fella was assasinated in 41 AD. If LC was in his mid 40s
> in 79 AD, our dear General would have been around 6 to 9 yrs old.
> Considering that, I hope our boy never did meet the nasty bugger -- but it
> might explain some things if he did. Hmmm....interesting Fic idea....
>
You know, I think I learn more history being on this List than I ever did in
HS or College, my hat is off to you Portia, and everyone else who sure seems
to know their stuff in the history department, thanks all!
Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee
mccelt2000@a.......
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:32:44 -0400
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual 4 Season
Yes, but I think an ep is missing from the V4 archive -- the last one. I think
I remember reading it on a link from Susan Garrett's site? It seems to have
gone pffftt, which is a shame since we are all so dedicated to keeping the
series alive. Maybe those who were rolling it out were overcome by other
committments?
Portia
Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
> >
V4S Eps ar archived at http://www.fkfanfic.com/v4s/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:35:37 -0400
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
>Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
>my hat is off to you Portia, and everyone else who sure seems
>to know their stuff in the history department, thanks all!
>Forever Yours,
>Billie-Lee
You know, if that's an FK hat...I may not give it back! "g"
Portia
(who has *no* FK memorabilia, not even tapes! <sniff>)
Oh, all right! I do have all of the novels! "g"
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:46:59 EDT
From: JeanG477@a.......
Subject: Perry's First Meal
Dona Angel wrote:
> ...it's easy for some to assume, that Perry's first meal was that
>human rapist "Doctor of Love", but I personally think it's reasonable
>to assume that he may have gotten blood from a squirrel, or some
>other animal, in the park before dining on the bad human.
Aha. So *that's* where the mysterious and heretofore unexplained
invasion of Toronto by hordes of vicious little sharp-fanged, red-eyed
vamp squirrels began!
--JG
http://members.aol.com/JeanB7
Copies of FOREVER KNIGHT: ON HOLY GROUND still available.
See the above URL for details.
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:03:58 -0400
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
KC writes:
> Of course I immediately thought of LaCroix!!!
> Anyone know if this particular emperor was around during the time of our
>fave General? If so, do you think LC would have mimicked him or
>crucified him?
Caligula was emperor from 37 to 41 c.e. No, I do not have Roman imperial
dates memorized. :) I initially thought he was too early for LaCroix aka
Lucius and had to look the exact dates up. Lucius was brought across in 79
during the August erruption of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii. He
was probably in his early 40's at the time. If so, then he was born ca.
34-39 and could well have been traumatized by Caligula's effect on the Roman
upper class when he was a young child. It would explain a lot.
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:08:07 EDT
From: BrandyKitt@a.......
Subject: Re: "TPTB"
In a message dated 08/17/2000 8:39:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
nancykam@m....... writes:
> But isn't Richard Hatch a brunette?
Yes, and he played Apollo (the one that Jane Seymour almost
married on the show); Dirk Benedict (later of the A Team)
played Starbuck. He's the blond.
Evelyn Duncan
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:18:01 -0400
From: sherryh@i.......
Subject: Re: While we're penning down fans...
Rhonda wrote:
>I'm a transplanted New Yorker living in [xxxxxxx], Maryland
>(it's southern Maryland - just a few minutes from Washington, DC).
>Anyone else nearby?
Yep! I'm about 20 minutes from Washington, DC -- [xxxxxxx], VA. There
are quite a few FK fans in the DC area, though I'm not sure how many
are still subbed to the main list.
:) Boomer
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:16:46 -0400
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: LC's age
Nigel used not to make a secret of being born in 1949. I remember because I
it's also my birth year.
Assuming Lucius was approximately the same age as the actor who was playing
him, he was 44 or 45. Or am I wrong in thinking A More Permanent Hell was
made in 1994?
Just my two cents.
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:21:48 -0400
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: Admin: 44s list
>That's a good question.... Does anyone know what happened to the Virtual 4th
>Season list on PSU?
It was still there and I was still an owner last time I checked. The season
seems to have petered out. Maybe we could start another?
No, not me. No time at present, but there used to be a committee. Anyone
still out there from it?
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:35:52 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: clarification
Just to clarify it...
I did *not* say that Richard Hatch played Starbuck. I just made an unclear
transition in my post. I am *well* aware it was Dirk Benedict. :-) RH is a
brunette with brown eyes... DB is a dark blonde with blue eyes. I had the
TeenBeat posters all over my room, including one gloriously hunky one of him
without a shirt, in frayed and tattered jean shorts that were partially
unzipped. I also had ALL the BG trading cards. :-)
Imagine if we had FK trading cards? Wouldn't *that* have been fun!
"I'll trade you my LaCroix #137 for the Janette #74 and the Urs #12."
"Anyone got the Nick and Nat #1? I've got everything BUT that one!!!"
Oh, and of course... Rick Springfield, our original Nick, played Apollo's
little brother Zak in the original BG movie. Too bad he got toasted. There,
another FK tie-ie!
Hmmm.. any other BG/FK links?
--
Carla
copper6500@y.......
IM me @ copper6500 (Yahoo & Aol)
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:00:46 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Sunscreen
> Brings back that Terminator 2 line where Sarah says..."Anyone not wearing a
> million plus sunscreen's gonna have a real bad day..."
> What about putting Nick in a protective body suit?
Mmm. What about a suit of medievel armor? Not chain-mail;
the later varients that were developed that used a lot of fancy plate
even down into the joints?
Should be as light-tight as a Cadillac trunk (if not, a little
custom tinkering).
Just slap a piece of light-grade welder's glass into the visor and
voila: instant vampire armor. Also handy since it is gonna take
someone very serious to drive a wooden stake through the breast-
plate of that sort of thing.
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:24:15 -0400
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Sunscreen
At 03:00 PM 8/17/00 -0500, Tim Phillips wrote:
> Mmm. What about a suit of medievel armor? Not chain-mail;
>the later varients that were developed that used a lot of fancy plate
>even down into the joints?
> Should be as light-tight as a Cadillac trunk
How else do you think he *knew* that "those tassets don't go with that
breast plate... [the wearer] couldn't relieve himself..." (Remember the
sotto voce intimation that it had happened to him?)
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
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Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:32:29 GMT
From: Nancy Braman <knightwind68@h.......>
Subject: Re: While we're penning down fans...
I live in [xxxxxxxxxx], Nova Scotia <waves to Rhonda, fellow
Cape Bretoner, and Heather-Anne, fellow Nova Scotian>
BTW, as archiver of this list, in the interests of
privacy, I've been deleting names of specific towns
where list members live. Provinces/states, counties,
countries, and general areas have been left as is, but
specific places of residence have been replaced with
"x"s. I've made one exception, Marg Yamanaka, who uses
her city in her sig and e-mail addy (is that okay,
Marg?) If anyone wants any adjustments, please e-mail
me at: knightwind3@t.......
Nancy Braman knightwind68@h....... knightwind3@t.......
http://members.theglobe.com/KnightWind3/default.html
"What time is it...what day is it...what century is it?"
--Nick (Forever Knight)
"Good morning" is an oxymoron. -- Me
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:06:26 EDT
From: JeanG477@a.......
Subject: On Holy Ground out of print
Unhappily, we must announce that by demand of Sony's legal dept., FOREVER
KNIGHT: ON HOLY GROUND is, as of this writing, officially out of print and
can no longer be sold or distributed. They are further requesting the recall
of all previously distributed books, so if you're so inclined, please feel
free to return your copy. From this end, we are sold out, and Peacock Press
is once again retired from the fanzine business.
With regrets,
--Jean Graham
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:11:15 EDT
From: Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print
Can't we write to Sony about this? And ask them to please at least allow us
our books?
man... I mean it's not like they are not getting there money, right?
sorry I just think that this is ridiculous to have to have us return books.
And that. ::sighs:: sorry once again.
~
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:11:59 EDT
From: teri delong <darius4evr@h.......>
Subject: Re: BSG vs FK (was clarification)
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
>I had the TeenBeat posters all over my room,
<snicker> I still HAVE them all! :o) Most of them are still up too, in
various degrees of aged disintegration! :o)
>Hmmm.. any other BG/FK links?
Well.....everybody here likes cheese, right? Good, 'cause this is about to
get as pungent as Limburger.....
* IF we equate LaCroix with the Evil Cylons... (Now now now! I like him too!
It's a stretch, okay??)....and the Colonists' fight for survival could
symbolize Nick's struggle to regain what he was, then we could say that the
Cylons chasing the Colonists across the universe compares to LaCroix
following Nick through the centuries in an attempt to annihilate all
independent thinking and the right to exist as the Colonists/Nick saw fit.
* And no matter how many times they thought they had the enemy conquered or
left behind, they kept showing up again and again!
* There's the obvious Quests that play such a major role, and also the
chance of both of them being a futile quest. The possibility of the
Colonists finding Earth and discovering that the people they'd been
searching so diligently for were not what they were hoping to find at all,
much as we've questioned if Nick would truly be happy if he was able to
regain his Mortality......would it actually be the prize he thought he
wanted so badly?
* A human, Baltar, betrayed his own people by turning them over to the
Cylons like Janette "betrayed" Nick by telling LaCroix where he had gone
when he fled to America in "Father's Day"......
* Starbuck, blonde, "lady-killer" = Nick Knight, blonde, "neck-of-the
week"?
* Father figures LaCroix/Adama both had incredible voices and a very
commanding presence.
* The Council of the Twelve kept a suspicious eye on Adama and his son's
activities and motives much as the Enforcers keep a wary eye on LaCroix and
Nick's situation? (okay so THAT one's as holey as Swiss.....)
Or, in a RL connotation..... The loyal fans of Battlestar Galactica have
been rallying since the 1995 against TPTB, with Richard Hatch leading them,
in an attempt to get said PTB to allow a BSG Revival, complete with original
cast reunion. Richard has been tirelessly plugging away with public
relations at Conventions around the world and has generated enough stir that
Universal Studios and BSG creator, Glen Larson, have actually started
considering the possibilities. Now it looks like it will come down to
whether or not Richard will be able to continue with his line of BSG novels
and maybe on into a movie, or if TPTB decide to go a completely different
direction with it, excluding all original cast and Richard's ideas.
Moral of the story? TPTB *do* sometimes sit up and take notice!!! Okay, so
that may not be an actual parallel, just a fervent hope!
~Teri~ <darius4evr@h.......>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:13:45 EDT
From: Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Wolfy going No-mail for quite awhile...
Well, I decided that, snice i *really* need to pass *every* class i'm taking,
(in High School) and need to be able to ignore the calls from the computer...
so i can do my work, snice i'm going to be taking an overload AND night
classes....and summer school...
and latly i've been getting over 600 e-mails a week....
I'm going No-mail on *EVERY* list i'm on... yes all 10+ of them...
so... If anything really *big* happens, please e-mail me, for i will still
have the erge to check my mail, even thou i know t'will only be spam
So... adiós, adieu, Abschied, il commiato, avskjed, a despedida..
farewell, parting is such sweet sorrow... at least for me!!
~Wolfy Knight...
any questions please e-mail me, off list...
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:24:44 -0400
From: Judith Cataldo <judycat@p.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print
>Unhappily, we must announce that by demand of Sony's legal
>dept., FOREVER KNIGHT: ON HOLY GROUND is, as of this writing,
>officially out of print
But the good news (kinda)is that they actually noticed!
Judy
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:33:19 -0400
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print
That's a major shame b/c it was a GOOD read! Those buggery Sony twerps....
not Portia
(cause she doesn't have anything to return....)
Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
> Unhappily, we must announce that by demand of Sony's legal dept., FOREVER
KNIGHT: ON HOLY GROUND is, as of this writing, officially out of print and can
no longer be sold or distributed. They are further requesting the recall of all
previously distributed books, so if you're so inclined, please feel free to
return your copy. From this end, we are sold out, and Peacock Press is once
again retired from the fanzine business.
With regrets,
--Jean Graham
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:44:24 -0800
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print
Hey, Sony's Legal Dept--there is $$ to be made! Put out for us and we
will show you a good time--shopping that is. So get your heads into the
money-making zone.
tired of waiting and writing letters,
Barbara
I can't stand this indecision married with a lack of vision.
Tears for Fears
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