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Digest - 14 Jun 2000 to 15 Jun 2000 (#2000-173)

Thu, 15 Jun 2000

There are 16 messages totalling 651 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. various things (4)
  2. Janette questions (3)
  3. Dragonslair
  4. FK Tour JUne 17
  5. You're in the army now...
  6. (Fwd) Help- desperate need of Beta readers
  7. Quick Question
  8. Which came first, FK or PN Elrod
  9. Angel vs FK
 10. OT: Cancer Test
 11. Blitz for the Knight Day 4; Reminders

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Date:    Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:29:49 -0500
From:    Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: various things

Kylie wrote:
>I think that LC was about 45 when he was brought across. This is actually
>kind of old to still be in service. <snip> But in LC's case his position
>of power and noblity could very well have him leading armies until the day
>he died....<eg>
I was wondering, I have seen others refer to Lucius's position of power and
nobility, but I don't remember anythign in the show ever explicitly saying
he was of nobility.  where do we get this from?
It's shameful I don't know this ;-).

Ligeia wrote:
>              VAMP-COME-HITHER
><snip>
>1.  Sound of Beating Heart (w/MegaBass)

LOL!  These are great!  This one's for those who like to live on the edge
of death, or if you're feeling a little suicidal.

>4.  Sound of Ignorant American Radio Host
LOL!!  I can think of a few potential voices...  definitely for the
suicidal, unless you're thinking of a particularly patient vamp.

>5.  Sound of Squeaking, Scurrying Rats
For those who like to take a really wild ride... through the sewers...

>Solar-powered.
This would be a bit counter-productive, huh?

And thanks Libs, for tips on the books and the art work.  I'm really
interested in seeing our favorites 'guest starring' in Elrod's
book.  Sounds kewl!

Bob wrote:
>The Top 10 Differences if Vampires Played Hockey
LOL!  wonderful!

Susan wrote:
>  SF chat with Bonnie Hammer coming up on June 22 !!!  It's time to on  make
>her answer questions about our shows!!

Since we probably won't all be able to 'speak' with Bonnie personally, is
there a way we'll be able to leave our thoughts there, somehow?  I've never
done it, so I don't know how it works.   I'm imagining a sort of message
board where we could all leave our urges to return FK to SciFi.  Or will we
just have to wait and see if we can get on?   could you give us some
details on how this works, also, for those of us who haven't done it before?

thanks!

monica
luscious lucius lover
"When you have a friend in the Nightcrawler, who needs enemies?"  LaCroix

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:50:01 -0700
From:    Lynne Levine <gelana@g.......>
Subject: Re: Janette questions

Aha!  Something to pull me out of lurkdom.  Ask Janette questions and
Ravenettes magically appear. :-[  Keep in mind it's been a LONG time since
I've watched any episodes so my memory of them is a bit fuzzy...

>From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
>Subject: Janette Questions
>
>I've been wondering about Janette for a while.  She seems to remain the most
>mysterious of all the FK characters.  So how about:
>
>Did Nick know she was in Toronto when he moved there?

Chances are he sensed her presence.  It's that "bond" thingie the vamps
seem to have with one another, at least the ones who have shared blood.

>Had they been in touch prior to his arrival at the Raven in DK?

Hard to say.  From their conversations it sounds like if they'd been in
touch at all, it had been minimal.  I get the impression Janette had been
running The Raven a while already, and we know Nick had been in town at
least two years.  Perhaps he was avoiding her because he was trying to
fight his vampirism, so why would he go to a vampire hangout and visit with
his seductive ex-girlfriend?

>When had they been in contact last?  Was it Nick's choice or Janette's?

Dunno.  We *do* know that the trio (Nick, Janette, and LaCroix) were
hanging out together as recently as the 20th century.  Maybe the show does
tell us, but I'm not remembering?

>What had Janette done with her life (in addition to her fan fic shopping and
>fashion addiction)?

I like to think she's not that shallow!  We know she has been a patron of
the arts, knew Leonardo DaVinci... And I like to speculate that the Raven
is not the first business she has owned.

>Was she a strong vampire on her own or was she only a reflection of her
>master?

Janette is *definitely* a strong vampire on her own!  You can see glimpses
of that in the way she runs the Raven, getting the other vampires there to
behave themselves while under her roof.  And she can certainly take charge
of Nick!  Watch the episode "A Fate Worse Than Death" to see plenty of
Janette being strong, both as a mortal and as a vampire.

>Why did Nick believe she shared his interest in a cure?

Because he was being seriously delusional. :-)

>How did she really feel about LC?

My guess is she and LaCroix get along pretty well.  They both like being
vampires.  They both also have a weakness for Nickolah, which gives them
something in common (and how many hours have they spent commiserating over
Nick's aberrant behavior? :-) )

Just my opinions, of course! :-)

Lynne
Ravenette and Immortal Beloved :-[

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:27:12 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Janette questions

Lynne theoried:
> Chances are he sensed her presence.  It's that "bond" thingie the vamps
> seem to have with one another, at least the ones who have shared blood.

But in Dark Knight, Janette admits to Nicholas that she could barely feel
him anymore.   I doubt that Nick was even that sensitive to their bond until
LaCroix showed up again in Killer Instinct.  Maybe they crossed paths
accidently.

> >Had they been in touch prior to his arrival at the Raven in DK?

Again, in Dark Knight I'm pretty positive that Janette commented on not
having seen Nick since his last incarnation in Chicago.  Nick, in turn,
joked about the baseball field there getting lights after he left.

> >When had they been in contact last?  Was it Nick's choice or Janette's?

Since Janette was probably dragged along with LaCroix, it was likely *LC's*
choice that they met in Chicago.  But canon didn't really say.

> >What had Janette done with her life (in addition to her fan fic shopping and
> >fashion addiction)?

Likely something to do with helping the 'strays' of society.

> >Why did Nick believe she shared his interest in a cure?

Pure wishful thinking on his part!  Or maybe she had confessed at some point
her desire to have had a baby of her own, and his imagination went on from
there.

> >How did she really feel about LC?

I think she respects him as her mentor, but disapproves of his treatment of
Nicholas.  Not that she disagrees with LaCroix's main goal of keeping him
alive and befanged! :)

Kyer, kyer@p.......
CotK, Twilight Knightie, Dark Trinity
The Night isn't right without our Knight!

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Date:    Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:31:26 -0400
From:    g4akl@c.......
Subject: Re: various things

At 10:29 PM 6/12/2000 -0500, monica wrote:
>I was wondering, I have seen others refer to Lucius's position of
>power and nobility, but I don't remember anythign in the show ever
>explicitly saying he was of nobility.  where do we get this from?

Someone correct me, if this is incorrect, but I believe that a
general in the Roman army WOULD only be from a family that was
considered nobility.  IE. someone from a lower class would
not be eligble for such a high army rank.

And in the flashback LC seemed to be hanging out with a Roman
official (was it a senator?) so that also seems to indicate
his powerful family position.

Arletta

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:31:02 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Dragonslair

I sent an inquiry to Dragaonslair about their FK tapes when the KtK
newsletter ad came out, but haven't heard back.
Is anyone in contact with the site owners?  Received an order lately?

Please let me know offlist.

: (
Kyer
kyer@p.......

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:15:32 EDT
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant@h.......>
Subject: FK Tour JUne 17

Hi-
I had emailed Will Steves for more info regarding the tour (ie with the Perk
Con) as my friends and I are going to be in TO on Saturday and would like to
go. But I haven't gotten a reply. If anyone could tell me where the group is
meeting and when, I would really appreciate it.
I am not too familiar with the city (I've only been there once) and I plan
to park at the garage right by the CN Tower becasue we also plan to go up to
the top.
Finally for my own info (to plan out our day) how long do the tours usually
last?
Thanks.  A speedy reply would be greatly appreciated since we are leaving
early friday morning and will not have internet access for the weekend.
-Amanda
debrabant@h.......

"Peace over anger. Honor over hate. Strength over fear."
    http://www.geocities.com/Hyde_hj7/main.html

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:41:15 +1200
From:    Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: various things

> I was wondering, I have seen others refer to Lucius's position of power and
> nobility, but I don't remember anythign in the show ever explicitly saying
> he was of nobility.  where do we get this from?
> It's shameful I don't know this ;-).

I don't think his nobility was ever stated but...my understanding, though I
may be wrong...I don't do my Roman history paper till next semester.<eg> But
to be the equivalent to an officer in the Roman Army, one either slogged up
the ranks...which was rare...especially to General...or was inducted through
birth right. Sons of a noble house would enter the army at a higher rank
than the average man. Much like the English system during WW1 and earlier
wars etc.

Kylie
knightraven@c.......
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven
FK Merchandise available here! T-shirts, Hats etc!

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:09:41 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: various things

In a message dated 06/14/2000 4:04:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
mrodri14@u....... writes:

<< I was wondering, I have seen others refer to Lucius's position of power and
 nobility, but I don't remember anythign in the show ever explicitly saying
 he was of nobility.  where do we get this from? >>

I would say aristocracy rather than nobility, as the only nobility in the
Roman empire was the Emperor's family.  He was undoubtedly patrician, to have
attained a generalship.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:17 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Janette questions

Barbara Vanio asks:
<< >Had they (Nick and Janette) been in touch prior to his arrival at the
Raven in DK?

And  gelana@g....... answers
 Hard to say.  From their conversations it sounds like if they'd been in >>

When he comes to see her at the Raven in Dark Knight, it's clear that it's
the first time they've seen each other since he moved to Toronto, from the
questions she asks him.  She says something like, "It was Chicago last time
wasn't it?" and he says something about if he'd known they were going to put
lights in Wrigley Field, he might have stayed, and that's when she delivers
the line about a slow game making eternity seem so much longer.  (an opinion
not shared by yours truly)

Laurie of the Isles
Who'd love to see the D-Backs play in person.

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:58:57 -0700
From:    Storm Born <the_stormborn@y.......>
Subject: You're in the army now...

--- g4akl@c....... wrote:
>>I believe that a general in the Roman army WOULD
only be from a family that was considered nobility.
IE. someone from a lower class would not be eligble
for such a high army rank.<<

Since military experience was a stepping stone to high
political positions and an opportunity to gain vast
wealth by being appointed the governor of a province,
the higher military positions were almost always
filled by nobility...and, Rome being what it was,
higher positions were usually obtained by "knowing the
right people."  And if you want to make any allegories
between this system the US system of electing
politicians...feel free. <g>

In Colleen McCullough's excellent, if rather lengthy,
novels on ancient Rome, she usually provides a chart
of the governmental structure of the period.

>>And in the flashback LC seemed to be hanging out
with a Roman official (was it a senator?) so that also
seems to indicate his powerful family position.<<

It was a Pro-consul, a rather high rank.

=====
Molly/StormBorn
FKPagan/Cousin/Seducer/Ravenette/DT/Who's Army Legionnaire
the_stormborn@y.......
Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:02:50 +0600
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: (Fwd) Help- desperate need of Beta readers

Forwarded on behalf of <jnjacobs1@e.......>.

Nicole is not currently subscribed to FORKNI-L so please reply to her
directly.

Don Fasig, FK List Gardener
Argent@e.......    ---,-<@
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/fk-lists.htm - Subscription Help

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:17:34 -0700
From: "Nicole Hartline" <jnjacobs1@e.......>
Subject: Help- desperate need of Beta readers

Hi,
I really have enjoyed reading all the fan fiction out there, and have
finally got the courage to complete something.  Would anyone be so kind
as to be a Beta reader for it?   I would really appreciate it. Ok- so
let me know. It would be of greatest interest to those obsessed with
LaCroix, Nick, or Natalie.
Thanks again,  oh and my name is Nicole Hartline.

------- End of forwarded message -------

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Date:    Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:39:54 -0700
From:    Storm Born <the_stormborn@y.......>
Subject: Re: Quick Question

--- Bubbles <vampyre@f.......> wrote:
>> Okay, I have lost all my marbles!  <some of them
round ones, too!><<

Well, I have to say I have all my marbles--697, in
fact--but they're in storage.  But here's what I can
pull out of my hat:

Vesuvius erupted in 79 CE; if we judge by NB's age at
the start of the series, Lucius would have been in his
early 40s.  He could have started his army career at
about 18 or so.  Given that advancement in the upper
ranks (what we call 'commissioned officers' nowadays)
depended on connections as well as performance, he
could have risen to General in about 15 years or so.
His "provincial" status--being from Pompeii rather
than the city of Rome itself--may have hindered his
progress somewhat.  (Though he was obviously a
successful general, in order to afford to buy a slave
who could sculpt, and then waste the expense by having
the man blinded.)

The reference to his campaigning in Gaul in AtA is,
IMHO, erroneous, since Gaul was conquered much earlier
by Julius Caesar and by the time Lucius was a general
the only conflicts in Gaul were minor uprisings.  My
theory is that Lucius served under Tiberius in the war
in Judea, then aided him in Roman politics by helping
to topple Nero, which eventually put Tiberius on the
throne.  But it's just a theory. <g>

=====
Molly/StormBorn
FKPagan/Cousin/Seducer/Ravenette/DT/Who's Army Legionnaire
the_stormborn@y.......
Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:01:19 -0700
From:    Storm Born <the_stormborn@y.......>
Subject: Re: Which came first, FK or PN Elrod

Wooh, Libs, thanks for the info!  (Must go order
books, must go order books...)

=====
Molly/StormBorn
FKPagan/Cousin/Seducer/Ravenette/DT/Who's Army Legionnaire
the_stormborn@y.......
Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:06:04 -0700
From:    Storm Born <the_stormborn@y.......>
Subject: Re: Angel vs FK

Judy wrote:
>> I like how Nick doesn't start looking neandertal
when he vamps out.<<

Man-oh-man, you just said a mouthful!  He's so sexy
when he's 'human'-looking, but even sexier when he's
vamped!

=====
Molly/StormBorn
FKPagan/Cousin/Seducer/Ravenette/DT/Who's Army Legionnaire
the_stormborn@y.......
Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:26:34 -0700
From:    Sebastian Giovanni <SebastianGiovanni@v.......>
Subject: OT: Cancer Test

Hi peeps...I underwent a colonoscopy(colan cancer test)
yesterday, since my mom died of it at age 52 and being
now 44, I was at a prime age for it. I have to see
the surgeon in 7-10 days for followup, but they already
told me after I came out of it that it was normal,
nothing there. That's a relief. I'd been haunted for
16 years with a fear of cancer since mom's passing.

Guess you guys are stuck with the ol' Divia deviant
for awhile longer!<g> Thanks to all those who previously knew and kept me in
prayers and good vibes.

Sebastian(Carl)

==
"I have seen evil on this earth in all it's
forms..." General Lucius Giovanni(LaCroix)

"Life can cheat death; it will always find a
way!"--Divia Giovanni(LaCroix)

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Date:    Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:10:51 +0000
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Blitz for the Knight Day 4; Reminders

It's day 4 of the Feedback Blitz!! Go ahead and e-mail the two powers that
be below asking for what you desire in the Knight (you can also re-use your
letters for this 2 week blitz)...

1. Sci-fi: feedback@w.......

2. Tristar/Sony: http://www.spe.sony.com/spe/help_feedback_index.html

..................................................
Forget what the blitz is about? Read below:

It looks like these blitzes we have been doing are getting some attention!
So we at KtK, are going to turn them into a monthly routine. This month we
are focusing on the two main powers, Tristar and Sci-fi.

Its going to be a double dose of e-mails from each of you the fans that
would love to not only have FK back on Sci-fi's schedule, but want to make
sure everyone knows that we are want more FK with the original cast in new
episodes and or movies!! So, what do you say? Are you ready to sit down,
take that few minutes and send off two e-mails? It could make all the
difference in the world!

Remember, say a little or say a lot, but say it!! We can make more FK
happen!!!

June 12th, through June 24th, we are asking everyone to blitz both
feedbacks!!! For the two weeks, you can re-use the e-mails you did before,
or write new ones. They can be long, or as short as just saying, "Bring Back
Forever Knight."

ALSO REMEMBER!! Sci-fi will be changing its schedule around in June, and
again in the fall.... lets make sure that we get Forever Knight on!!!

Sci-Fi's E-mail: feedback@w.......

Sony/Tristar Mail Form: http://www.spe.sony.com/spe/help_feedback_index.html

When e-mailing TriStar,(especially) give as much personal info as you
can...rather than just an e-mail name. A bit more personal carries more
weight with TPTB.

I also made a button/banner for the upcoming blitzing, which you can use to
help spread the word, by putting this on your site (you can get off my save
fk page).

http://members.xoom.com/forever_nick/Forever_Knight

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Reminder: CHAT with Bonnie Hammer (Sci-fi) June 22nd!:

KtK would love it, if as many of you as possible could participate in this.
More details on how to participate can be found on the sci-fi dominion site:
http://www.scifi.com

Or go directly to this site: http://www.scifi.com/chat/chat.faq.html#begin

Now finally is our opportunity to let Sci-fi know exactly what we
want!!!(Lots more FK!) So please, spread the word to any and all lists that
you can, so we all make a
big show of support!!!

**Easy Steps to Get In:

the auditorium chat........
1. Go to SF's webpage (www.scifi.com)
2. Click on "Chat" on the lower left side of the page
3. Click on "Chat Now" at the top of the page
4. Fill in a nickname for yourself and your real first name
5. The default setting is #dominion, so click on that and in the drop down
menu
6. pick #auditorium

And that's it!  You're now in the chat room where Bonnie's chat will take
place.
..........................................................
SF chat with Bonnie Hammer coming up on June 22 !!! It's time to on make
her answer questions about our shows!!

Here are the details:

CHAT: Bonnie Hammer, Executive Vice President, General Manager of SCI FI

Thursday, June 22, at 9PM ET

If you've ever wanted to chat with the head of the SCI FI Channel, now's
your chance. Bonnie Hammer, the executive vice president and general manager
of SCI FI, is logging on to talk with you about your favorite shows, the
future of the network, and much more.

Hammer has been instrumental in the growth of SCI FI, including the creation
of the channel's first night of original programming, SCI FI Prime, which
includes the fabulous fan favorite Farscape. She's also responsible for the
development and production of such innovative projects as Steven Spielberg's
upcoming 20-hour miniseries Taken, the epic miniseries Frank Herbert's Dune,
and SCI FI's first-ever psychic-based talk show, hosted by renowned medium
John Edward.

Find out how the SCI FI Channel is getting better and better, and in what
ways the network is expanding the definition of "science fiction."

Connect your IRC software client to events.scifi.com and join channel
#auditorium to participate. Chatters with a java-capable browser may use our
java chat client.

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