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Digest - 9 Jun 2000 to 10 Jun 2000 (#2000-168)

Sat, 10 Jun 2000

There are 18 messages totalling 481 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Angel and FK (6)
  2. The Crusader
  3. Nigel mentioned in Canadian TV Guide
  4. FK Fanfic Awards?
  5. Medical resource list for fanfic writers
  6. Super Keen and Nifty
  7. Hayden Christensen
  8. Elrod and FK (3)
  9. vampire detectives
 10. How about Angel AND FK? (2)

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:57:03 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Angel and FK

Libratsie wrote:
>  There's another series that I can't remember the title or the author for
sure right off hand, but I think the author MAY be Tanith Lee. Those ***I
THINK*** may predate FK

There is also the series by Tanya Huff that features a female detective
named Vicki Nelson who is made a vampire part way through the series by her
sometime helper, Henry Fitzroy, the illegitimate (vampire) son of Henry
VIII.

To bring this post back on topic, what do people think about the possibility
of Nick being a private investigator in one of his previous "lives"?  If he
were, what kind of cases would he take & what kind would he refuse?

Barb

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:14:17 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Angel and FK

In a message dated 6/9/00 7:00:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
bevainio@w....... writes:

>
>  There is also the series by Tanya Huff that features a female detective
>  named Vicki Nelson who is made a vampire part way through the series by her
>  sometime helper, Henry Fitzroy, the illegitimate (vampire) son of Henry
>  VIII.
*THAT'S* the one I was thinking of! Absolutely wonderful series for the most
part and a lot of fun, too.

>  To bring this post back on topic, what do people think about the possibility
>  of Nick being a private investigator in one of his previous "lives"?  If he
>  were, what kind of cases would he take & what kind would he refuse?
I can't see Nick turning down any case where there was a chance he could
legitmately help someone and thus somehow "repay society for his sins." Of
course he'd HAVE to turn down any that included spying on someone in the
middle of a desert at noon<wRPg>

--Libs

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:43:59 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Angel and FK

In a message dated 06/09/2000 12:10:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
nancykam@m....... writes:

<< There will be echos of Nick whenever you have an angsty vampire, >>

Actually we can't exactly point fingers, Nick's angsty-ness could be said to
have echoes of Anne Rice's Louis.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:48:58 -0700
From:    Cousin Mary <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: Angel and FK

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:51:34 -0700 Storm Born <the_stormborn@y.......>
writes:

>Angel/Buffy is entertainment, the
> TV equivalent of a 'fun read'; FK was literature, in
> that it made you think and reflect.

Yeah, pretty much.  Though the Faith story arc was rivetting IMO.  In
fact, Faith, especially this season's 3 eps with her was simply an
amazing character.   In that arc Faith, who had become evil for awhile
(though she got pushed to it darn it!)  fights kicking and screaming back
towards semigood.  It isn't a clean or absolute fix either, she wants to
do good but still has the instincts and urges to kill and maim.  If there
is one character who'd fit easily into the FK world it's Faith.

Meanwhile, 'monst regulars, Cordelia's relasionship with Angel often
reminds me of both Tracy and Nat's.  Tracy's loyalty to her partner
despite not knowing exactly what's going on (HF) mirror's Cordelia's
loyalty to Angel despite that she doesn't know if at what point, if ever,
he could switch back to his evil ways.  Cordelia, though way more ditsy
than Nat, shares the coroner's sharp one liners and basic belief that her
friendly neighborhood bloodsucker's good side will always win out against
the darkness.

And lots of people have already pointed out that Detective Kate Locksley
and Detective Tracy Vetter, both being youngish blonde female cops who
like to crack sarcastic comments, have cop fathers, and aren't quite sure
they trust the handsome dark hared vampires in their lives, are pretty
darn close.  Actually, my friend Melissa who runs a huge Cordelia site,
often messes up and calls 'Tracy' 'Kate' when we're talking about our
pages ;-)

hugs!

Cousin Mary
anteros@j.......
I'm a DP Thug, ask me how!
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:12:03 -0500
From:    "M. E. Orive" <orive@u.......>
Subject: Re: Angel and FK

>Actually we can't exactly point fingers, Nick's angsty-ness could be said to
>have echoes of Anne Rice's Louis.
>
>Laurie of the Isles

There are plenty of angsty vampires throughout vampire literature - I am
thinking of Quinn-Yarbro's Comte de St. Germain, specifically, but I'm
sure there are others!

- Mari

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:59:03 EDT
From:    Knightwave@a.......
Subject: The Crusader

The latest issue of the Crusader is out.  It looks like there are the usual 2
dozen bouncing addys, so if you haven't received your copy and are on the
subscription list, please contact me at knightwave@a....... so we can connect.

If you'd like to receive The Crusader, please contact off-line at
knightwave@a........  I'll be happy to sign you on.  <g>

Enjoy,
April
knightwave@a.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:46:27 -0400
From:    Lynne Ackerman <be028@f.......>
Subject: Nigel mentioned in Canadian TV Guide

This coming week's Canadian TV Guide, the one that's on the stands *now*
until Sunday, has a story about Lexx, and briefly mentions Nigel, mostly
just saying that he's in the cast for the third season.

However, they also mention he's an "Emmy-award winning actor".  I'm going
to have to write them and tell them he's a *GEMINI* award winning actor
<vbg>..unless there's something I haven't heard about yet <g>!!

A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
'Hollywood North')!!  E-mail address via Internet is be028@t........

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Date:    Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:57:14 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: FK Fanfic Awards?

May I ask if anyone knows what the status is of the FK Fanfic Awards? It's
been a while since the voting closed, and I'm sure other nominees beside
myself are curious as to the outcome!

Thanks,

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:31:30 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Medical resource list for fanfic writers

I came across this on a list in another fandom, but I thought it might be a
good resource for FK fanfic writers, esp. but not only, those writing
"Nat-centered" stories.

Hope this is of help to some of you.

Laurie of the Isles

<<From: AmilynH@a.......
To: the_morgue@u.......
Subject: FYI:  New fanfic medical reference list

I have just started a group on egroups called:

fanfic_med@e.......

This list is for discussion of research options for medical aspects of
fanfiction in the interests of more realistic depiction of medicine.  It is
aimed at people who write (or edit!) fanfiction and include medical
information--when characters are injured or ill, for use in fanfic about
doctors, or as part of historical information in period pieces.

People on this list may be able to supply advice on specific medical issues
(we already have several doctors and nurses). If they cannot, they may direct
questioners to research materials.  Netiquette is strictly enforced; no
me-too posts, no over-quoting, use private mail when indicated. At this time,
this is an open list.

Anyone here is welcome to feel free to join, but should feel under no
obligation to do so; I'm announcing this as a service, not a guilt-trip.  :-)
 Do feel free to pass this information on to anyone you believe would be
interested.

Amy>>

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:16:28 -0700
From:    "Tiffiney A. Petherbridge" <gugenhoffen@c.......>
Subject: Super Keen and Nifty

Just a note about two very kewl Tracy Vetter pages out there on the web. (Yes
this is a shameless plug. But what can I say, except that I'm shameless <eg>)

1. ) http://homepages.go.com/~willow_42/fk/ectdp.htm
"Evil Cousin Tiff's Dark Perk Page Of Doom" -- Up-to-date info on Lisa Ryder,
honkin' big photo gallery, fic archive, wav files, and more.

2. ) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/1228/
"Cousin Mary's Tracy Vetter Page" -- Up-to-date info on Lisa Ryder, photo
gallery, games, fic archives, links, and more than ECT's page. <g>

Well, shameless plug done with, I'll go back into the shadows of lurkdom.

Hugs!

---
EVIL Cousin Tiff :)
gugenhoffen@c.......
"I've just been 'round my neighbor's house, to borrow a drill. But he wasn't
there. So I broke in and ate his fish tank. You won't catch me with me
trousers!!!"
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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:24:49 -0400
From:    "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: Hayden Christensen

For everyone who's asking:

Hayden Christensen was in the episode "Fallen Idol".  When he was first
nominated for the role of Annikan Skywalker, this info was brought to the
list.  Probably about 2 or 3 weeks ago for those who save their lists.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Storm Born" <the_stormborn@y.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Hayden Christensen

> Who the blazes is Hayden Christensen?  Did he guest on
> FK, and if not, please keep OT.
>
> =====
> Molly/StormBorn
> FKPagan/Cousin/Seducer/Ravenette/DT/Who's Army Legionnaire
> the_stormborn@y.......
> Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:54:47 -0400
From:    "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: Angel and FK

From: "Storm Born"
> I'm not aware of any previous vampire detectives,
> offhand

In many episodes, Barnabas Collins acted as a detective.  In Fred
Saberhagen's New Dracula Series, Vlad himself assists the Chicago PD in
supernatural detective work.  Lee Killough has 3 novels out about a vampire
detective Garreth Mikaelian in the southwest.

I believe all of these predate FK.  Saberhagen's came out in the early '80s,
and Killough's came out in '87.

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1980 07:00:53 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Elrod and FK

Elrod's first book (Vampire Files #1) was published in 1991, according to
the info at my local Chapters store. (I was there yesterday, trying to
order it, but it's currently unavailable). When did FK start? '92?

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:14:09 -0500
From:    CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: Elrod and FK

At 07:00 AM 6/10/1980 -0600, Angela wrote:
>Elrod's first book (Vampire Files #1) was published in 1991, according to
>the info at my local Chapters store. . When did FK start? '92?

The original pilot for FK, the Rick Springfield movie, aired in Aug. 1989
which would predate the Elrod books.

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:36:54 EDT
From:    MLCVamp@a.......
Subject: Re: vampire detectives

I was thinking primarily of Lee Killough's Gareth Mikaelian [sp?] dyad.
Wonderful novels (there is finally going to be a third, though I don't think
the pub date has been announced).

<< Elrod's books do date from several years earlier than FK, except, of course,
 for the one she co-wrote with Nigel Bennett. She is and was a fan of FK, as
 anyone who ever met her at a con found out. >>

If my reference source is correct, the original NICK KNIGHT movie aired in
1989, so Elrod's "Vampire Files" postdate that pilot but predate the actual
series (1992 on).  Tanya Huff's vampire detective series (the vampire is the
human female ex-cop detective's sidekick -- set in Toronto!), beginning with
BLOOD PRICE in 1991, also predates the FK TV show.  Also before FK, I'm
pretty sure, were a pair of vampire cop novels by Vincent somebody (I think),
which I considered fairly awful, no doubt the reason why I can't remember the
author or title.

There's a delightful DAW anthology edited by Martin Greenberg, VAMPIRE
DETECTIVES, published in 1995, therefore of course post-FK, which is of
interest because it contains an Elrod story, as well as providing a fun
overview of the now-popular vampire/mystery cross-genre field.  (However, the
title isn't quite accurate, since several of the stories don't feature the
vampire as the detective, but simply as an element in the mystery.)

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Date:    Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:56:33 -0500
From:    Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......>
Subject: Re: How about Angel AND FK?

At 08:44 AM 6/8/00 -0700, Storm Born wrote:
>Methinks LaCroix would have Angel for breakfast! <eg>

That may well be.  But if we were to discuss *Angelus* and Lacroix, it
might be a different story.  Uncle has never been noticeably insane, in a
suck-the-whole-world-into-hell kind of way.  I think if Lacroix encountered
Angelus, he'd call in the Enforcers for back-up.  Sort of like taking down
a rabid dog.

Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@c....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:53:49 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: How about Angel AND FK?

> Lisa Luksus
> That may well be.  But if we were to discuss *Angelus* and Lacroix, it
> might be a different story.  Uncle has never been noticeably insane, in a
> suck-the-whole-world-into-hell kind of way.  I think if Lacroix
> encountered Angelus, he'd call in the Enforcers for back-up.  Sort of like
> taking down a rabid dog.

I think we're talking here the difference between the two vamp universes. FK
vamps are much, much harder to kill and have greater powers than the Buffy
vamps -- they don't turn into dust when staked (just ask LC!), they can fly,
and they can move so fast they're invisible to the human eye. Buffy vamps
haven't shown any such power, and they seem to be only a few notches
stronger than humans.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:16:57 -0700
From:    "Jan J." <jonesjan@g.......>
Subject: Re: Elrod and FK

-----Original Message-----
From: mclisa@m....... <mclisa@m.......>

Elrod's books do date from several years earlier than FK, except, of course,
for the one she co-wrote with Nigel Bennett. She is and was a fan of FK, as
anyone who ever met her at a con found out.

Has anyone else noticed that in her latest paperback "The Dark Sleep"
she mentions Nigel Bennett & John Kapelos on the dedication page.

Jan

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