FORKNI-L
Digest - 23 Mar 2000 to 24 Mar 2000 (#2000-89)
Fri, 24 Mar 2000
There are 32 messages totalling 966 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. New KtK Ad! (2)
2. Supersonic vamp flight (WAS: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires
...
3. Oops. (re AWARDS: ) (3)
4. Supersonic vamp flight (7)
5. "For I Have Sinned" Ep-Related Questions
6. HOW do vampires fly? (10)
7. Top of the Food Chain Review (no spoilers)
8. FK and e-books
9. Fw: HOW do vampires fly?
10. My latest fic list offering..
11. Converts and Canonical Gaps
12. Lacroix's age
13. YKYBWTMFK...
14. Your Weekly Vote & FK's *Dropped* Position
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:21:35 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
Hello All!
I have five extra copies of the Hollywood Reporter with the new ad. Anyone
who would like a copy please email me off list. They sold for $3.40 each. I
request the cost of the paper and $1.50 for regular mail or $3.20 priority
mail.
I can get more if need be but only by the end of the week.
Let me know.
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:28:38 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight (WAS: Re: fanfic question...how fast can
vampires ...
In a message dated 3/22/00 6:56:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
webwarren@e....... writes:
<< Now you and KnghtWtch have me wondering about how lift and drag would be
calculated on the vamp-in-flight profile...
>>
Interesting question. Parasite drag adds to the speed of the 'aircraft.' So
a vamp would have little parasite drag as their mass is a lot less than an
airplane. Lift is exerted on the wings of a plane. It would have to be
exerted on the vamp's entire body, so would drag. So I'd imagine that lift
would be almost non existent when a vamp flies since they don't fly with
their arms extended. Unless of course they can control their body weight and
make themselves lighter, therefore less weight to induce greater lift. Wish
I were in college now to ask one of my professors. I think they'd be pretty
stumped at this one. I could look into it if anyone who like.
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:41:48 EST
From: Dolpfin220@a.......
Subject: Re: Oops. (re AWARDS: )
In a message dated 03/23/2000 12:25:40 PM Central Standard Time,
kyer@p....... writes:
> But, *has* anyone heard from Stormborn lately? Or, for that matter,
> Billie-Lee?
Haven't heard from Molly on any of the lists in a while, but I think
Billie-Lee said something about having to unsub a few weeks ago....
Janet
<A HREF="Dolpfin220@a.......">Dolpfin220@a.......</A>
There is nothing so disagreeable, that a patient mind cannot find some solace
for it. -Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Roman philosopher (BC 3-65 AD)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:01:29 -0500
From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
Subject: Re: Oops. (re AWARDS: )
She did, but it was much more than a few weeks ago :) Does anyone have her
(Billie-Lee's) email address? I've been trying to email her for awhile but
it kept bouncing.
Diane (dharris@h.......)
Hopeless NNPacker with strong Knightie / Dark Knightie tendencies and a hint
of FoDs for good measure...
www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm
> Haven't heard from Molly on any of the lists in a while, but I think
> Billie-Lee said something about having to unsub a few weeks ago....
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:33:20 EST
From: BrandyKitt@a.......
Subject: Re: Oops. (re AWARDS: )
In a message dated 03/23/2000 5:29:39 PM Central Standard Time,
dharris@h....... writes:
> She did, but it was much more than a few weeks ago :) Does anyone have her
> (Billie-Lee's) email address? I've been trying to email her for awhile but
> it kept bouncing.
>
It's McCelt2000@a........
Evelyn Duncan
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:25:27 -0500
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
"Brenda F. Bell" wrote:
>
> Perhaps a Nick-Lacroix dogfight? No? Oh, well...
Snoopy and the Red Baron?
-----
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:46:22 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
KnightWitch mentioned: Parasite drag adds to the speed of the 'aircraft.'
<snip>
Okay...I admit that all you people with college degrees left me behind in
the dust a long time ago with all this stuff---but 'Parasite drag'?
LOL!
Is that referring to our vampires hitching rides on airplanes?
Or maybe feathery critters hitching rides on our flying vamps?
I've got this image of an annoyed LaCroix with a determined pidgeon sitting
on his head!
Snickered,
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:56:49 EST
From: Jlkerr1228@a.......
Subject: Re: "For I Have Sinned" Ep-Related Questions
In a message dated 03/22/00 7:50:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
donaangel@h....... writes:
> was it intended for it to be assumed that this was a Catholic
> Church and Fr. Rochefort--as some of you have on & off-list {{{Thanks,
> ya'll! *g*}}} identified the kind, young priest in FIHS--to be a Catholic
> priest?-
I think the priest and the church were suppose to be Catholic. Earlier, in
the morgue, when Natalie gave Nick the cross from the victim and told him
that she had missed it on the other victims, I'm pretty sure she also told
him that they were all Catholic.
J L Kerr
jlkerr1228@a.......
hometown.aol.com/jlkerr7864/f_knight/fiction.htm
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:13:06 CST
From: Thomas Lambert <eternaltl@h.......>
Subject: HOW do vampires fly?
Instead of how fast or how high, I simply wonder <how> at all. No wings, no
clear means of propulsion. Does anybody have any ideas? Cheesy or not, I'd
love to hear them.
Eternal
Eternaltl@h.......
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:42:51 -0800
From: Cousin Mary <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:13:06 CST Thomas Lambert <eternaltl@h.......>
writes:
>Instead of how fast or how high, I simply wonder <how> at all. No
>wings, no
>clear means of propulsion. Does anybody have any ideas? Cheesy or not,
>I'd love to hear them.
Top Ten Ways the FK Vamps Fly
10) Magnets
9) Fairy Dust
8) Strings, baby!
7) Capes hidden under their armani
6) Jet propulsion stilettos
5) big black balloons tied to all their limbs (they just don't show up on
camera it being night and all...)
4) Invisible Airplanes a la Wonder Woman
3) lots and lots of espressos
2) 4 words "What -is- the Matrix?"
1) Swallows, very laden
hugs!
Cousin Mary
anteros@j.......
I'm a DP Thug, ask me how!
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:54:33 EST
From: teri delong <darius4evr@h.......>
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
>From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
>I've got this image of an annoyed LaCroix with a determined pidgeon sitting
>on his head!
ROTF LMAO!!!! Thank you, Kyer! I *really* needed that!!!
teri--still giggling and chortling and wiping tears
Proud Vaquera/Vachon's vassal/Defender of Brown-eyed Vamps
V-looper/Vaqdreamer/bbfc/B&C/T+Vpack/Fanatic/DP/DNP/DNN/NNpack
ForeverNat/RP/Crew/GKfc/GWDfc/NigelBennett and WA lurker
http://www.benbassfanclub.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:10:19 -0500
From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
> Instead of how fast or how high, I simply wonder <how> at all. No wings, no
> clear means of propulsion. Does anybody have any ideas? Cheesy or not, I'd
> love to hear them.
Well, I've come up with several ideas (Prepare for hurricanes of cheddar...)
:)
Like Superman, they're built to withstand the higher gravity of planets such
as Krypton. Since the Earth's gravity is so much less they can just lift
off the ground at will by doing a slight push off.
Or maybe it's self-telekenesis. "Ok body, FLOAT!"
Or maybe they're really jumping, but they've got such good quads that they
can jump _really_ far and fast, so much so that they can overcome gravity's
downward pull (physicists, please don't attack me here, I know this is
ludicrous :) ...
Diane (dharris@h.......)
Hopeless NNPacker with strong Knightie / Dark Knightie tendencies and a hint
of FoDs for good measure...
www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:35:43 -0500
From: Amanda R Cleveland <arclevel@m.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
At 10:10 PM 3/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> Instead of how fast or how high, I simply wonder <how> at all. No wings, no
>> clear means of propulsion. Does anybody have any ideas? Cheesy or not, I'd
>> love to hear them.
Well, the answer is obvious, really. You see, we don't know when the first
vampires were formed, but since Divia's master was already an "ancient", we
know it has to have been a *really* long time ago. At this time, magical
powers were simply accepted by most people as being the cause of many
phenomena in the universe. Furthermore, no one knew what gravity was
(though they probably realized that things tended to go down.) Because of
these things, the first vampires could just use the magical powers in
existence, and the lack of gravity, to fly. Since vampire progeny are not
formed by the duplication of genetic material, there were no opportunities
for mutations or evolution among the population. Therefore, despite the
fact that the majority of people now believe in gravity and not magic,
vampires can still fly. See, wasn't that clear? ;-)
Amanda
ps--I'll take mozzarella. Oh, unless you have toasted parmesan. I *love*
toasted parmesan. :-)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:41:43 EST
From: teri delong <darius4evr@h.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
>From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
>
>Or maybe it's self-telekenesis. "Ok body, FLOAT!"
You know, I've always found the concept of levitation a whole lot easier to
believe than the old legends and fables of Vampires turning into bats and
flying away! They obviously have the more advanced mental capacities, with
their hypnotic abilities and their heightened senses, so why not
telekinesis? Then again, maybe I just *like* a little cheese!
teri--pass the Colby-jack, please! :o)
darius4evr@h.......
Proud Vaquera/Vachon's vassal/Defender of Brown-eyed Vamps
V-looper/Vaqdreamer/bbfc/B&C/T+Vpack/Fanatic/DP/DNP/DNN/NNpack
ForeverNat/RP/Crew/GKfc/GWDfc/NigelBennett and WA lurker
http://www.benbassfanclub.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:05:58 EST
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
In a message dated 03/23/2000 7:36:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
anteros@j....... writes:
<< Top Ten Ways the FK Vamps Fly
>>
<snip Cousin Mary's nifty list>
I'd say they just hold onto their Happy Thought, but then how would that
explain how LaCroix is able to fly? <g>
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:04:23 -0800
From: "M. Vrzoc" <A_Boleyn@e.......>
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain Review (no spoilers)
RE: Lora's Reviews of TOTFC
Thanks so much for your review, Lora. Although I was fortunate enough to see
TOTFC at the Cumberland 4 on a visit to Toronto last Wednesday during March
Break, I couldn't write a review to save my life. Yours hit all the points
that I wish I had remembered well enough to recount to others. I really
think the movie requires several viewings to take in everything that was
going on.
And, regardless of my nephew's opinion (15 yrs old), it WAS funny. I was one
of an audience of 12 including my nephew. I laughed out loud on several
occasions, but I think I was the only one. Of course, your definition of
funny may have to be pretty specific. For instance, I think Hell Comes to
Frogtown (starring the wrestler "Rowdy" Roddy Piper) is hilarious and still
laugh over the "hand" grenade joke in Death Race 2000. This is not an Austin
Powers type funny, or even one of Leslie Neilsen's parodies although it IS
supposed to be a parody of those 50's sci-fi horror flicks.
And on a specifically FK sites theme, I very much enjoyed my visit to the
ROM ... and the Egypt in the Time of the Pyramids Exhibit (shades of
Divia!). No time to contact the Toronto contingent for a tour, but then I'm
not observant enough to recognize most of the sites to start with. :) If you
go to visit the CN tower, get the family rate if you can ($40 for 4 people
to go to the Lookout, rather than the $15.99 per person rate). It's
expensive enough if you can't come for dinner.
M. Vrzoc
A_Boleyn@e.......
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:43:11 -0800
From: Berg <berg@e.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
Magic. Either that, or they're really good at throwing themselves
at the ground and missing...:P
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:02:08 -0800
From: Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
Thomas Lambert wrote:
> Instead of how fast or how high, I simply wonder <how> at all. No wings, no
> clear means of propulsion. Does anybody have any ideas? Cheesy or not, I'd
> love to hear them.
Actually, I have thought about this one before, and came up with a strange
point of view on it.(actually, it's my rationalization for a vampire book I'm
working on...) Anyhoo, before I digress too far...
Ok...when a person is changed into a vampire, their body shuts a lot of things
down...breathing, heat in the body, etc. This leaves more of the brain open
for other things (like humans use a lot anyway..not quite 10% of their brains
on the average). Since some parts are shut down with vampirism, perhaps the
'virus', or whatever, not only changes the body, but opens up different
portions of the mind and allows the person to access some of the long dormant
abilities accessible in the brain that we think are impossible.
For instance: It is a long standing belief that people cannot walk on fire.
However, it has been documented that people can and do build fires, rake out
the hot coals and walk on them. This is *not* a faked thing, as I am a
firewalker myself. So if a mere mortal can overcome just a minute thing like
that, imagine if the vampiric 'virus' has the ability to open new avenues
within the mind and allow a vampire to actually do things like directed
levitation?
Anybody understand that? Boy, I sure can babble...
Tab (back to lurk mode now)
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:19:55 EST
From: MadiHolmes@a.......
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
In a message dated 03/23/00 11:32:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
webwarren@e....... writes:
<< Depends, I suspect, on whether the vamp in question is the pilot or a
passenger -- and whether or not the plane is going beyond the vamp's
personal flight envelope. Also, upon how much of the vamp's personal energy
flying (either short or long distances) requires. >>
Also if the vampire was claustrophobic :)
Vampire with neuroses- next on Sally Jesse Raphael, or that Jerry one from My
Boyfriend is a Vampire. :)
:)
Seriously, I'm sure that at first it was as novel and experimented as any new
marvel for the vampire community. But after all, it lost its newness, and
only those who really like it use it (like Vachon)
MadiHolmes
Cousine Formidable/GSS
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:38:14 -0800
From: Sara Rediske <salad@w.......>
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
Hey! I would love to partake in your generous offer. Just let me know the
total for sending me one, and I will get a check right off to you.
Thanks!
-Salad
-----Original Message-----
From: KnghtWtch@a....... <KnghtWtch@a.......>
To: FORKNI-L@l....... <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
>Hello All!
>
>I have five extra copies of the Hollywood Reporter with the new ad. Anyone
>who would like a copy please email me off list. They sold for $3.40 each. I
>request the cost of the paper and $1.50 for regular mail or $3.20 priority
>mail.
>I can get more if need be but only by the end of the week.
>Let me know.
>KnightWitch ;-]=
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:56:50 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
In a message dated 3/23/00 1:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Tracy.Gooding@n....... writes:
<< With all the earlier discussion about flight, how would being on an
aeroplane feel to someone who could fly?
>>
I would imagaine that same way you or I feel when we fly. Since a vamp most
likely levitates his/her weight before flying. So in a seat on an aircraft
it would be the same. Didn't Urs say Vachon likes to fly in planes., Dar
Knight parts 1 &2. He likes the feeling?
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:05:45 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
In a message dated 3/23/00 7:45:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, kyer@p.......
writes:
<< but 'Parasite drag'? >>
Parasite drag is 'anything' that extends beyond the body of the item in
flight. On a plane it would be rivits on the metal, tubes, vains and
anything used for the nav instrumentsextending from the aircraft's body. Or
to explain simply, on your car....the side windows stick out beyond the car's
body. That is parasite drag for your car in it's relation to forward motion.
Hope that helps.
KnightWitch;-]=
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:55:40 -0600
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
Berg wrote:
> Magic. Either that, or they're really good at throwing themselves
> at the ground and missing...:P
Somebody has been reading Douglas Adams again.... :-)
And if anyone doesn't get the reference, go read a book!
I like this theory the best, though. Nice to know that LaCroix can screw up
*something!*
-Carla
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:22:49 -0500
From: br1035@i.......
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
KnightWitch wrote:
<snip>Parasite drag is 'anything' that extends beyond the body of the item in
>flight. <snip>
And when I hear the term 'parasite drag,' I think of 'Francesca.' <eg>
Kyer wrote:
<snip>I've got this image of an annoyed LaCroix with a determined pidgeon
sitting on his head!<snip>
Hmmm...could this be a new theory as to why the passenger pigeon went extinct?
Here! Here!
<waves>
***************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge......<br1035@i.......>......Evil - The Puppy Says So!
Nunkies Anonymous Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/nunkies.html
Spare Bambi! I Play With Voodoo Dolls. LaCroix for President - 2000!
"I have a <hand motion> psychological problem with that."
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:24:18 -0000
From: Tracy Gooding <Tracy.Gooding@n.......>
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
It was only a matter of time before this question came up <g>.
<<or they're really good at throwing themselves at the ground and missing...:P>>
Seems there are several Hitch-hikers around here. :)
Anyway, like any good physicist (who is unlikely to attack anyone unless they
try to swipe her cheese sandwich), a review of some of the comments...
KnightWitch said: <<they don't fly with their arms extended>>
I distinctly remember Nick doing a delta-wing impression off the top of a
building in one of the very early eps from series 2, but it's one I don't have
in my collection.
Of Cousin Mary's wonderful top 10, I have to ask whether the very laden swallows
are European or African? Magnets...how about using the diamagnetic and
paramagnetic properties of blood and their interaction with the Earth's magnetic
field?
Diane Harris came up with the 'good quads' theory, which might explain the
'Chinese hopping vampire' (I'm not making this up), or GWD's silhouetted legs in
Near Death. But maybe her theory of self-telekinesis, aided by Teri and
Carlson's hypothesis of advanced mental capabilities is the one I'd go for.
And of Laurie's 'happy thought': maybe LC is simply much too old and powerful
for gravity to hold him down.
All this levity is buoying me up.
Tracy
Tracy.Gooding@n.......
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:59:53 -0500
From: Emma Lighton <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: FK and e-books
>Send them email, saying you're interested, but you use the "ABC" platform, and
I don't even know what the "ABC" platform is.
>the only other one listed in development so far, but I'd be willing to bet $10
>that they're working on a Linux/Unix flavor as well.
If they are, which I have my doubts, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.
<About credit cardless fans>
>I agree that is a problem. However, my thought when I originally posted about
>them was that since the "publisher" wouldn't have to incur actual printing
>expenses, this might be a very good way for them to see just how interested FK
>fans are in more FK novels.
I think a letter writing campaign would be a more effective idea. They may
increase profit margins with an e-book, but they lose sales. Not only from
people with no credit cards, but also those without internet access, those
who only have access to public terminals, those without secure access,
people whose computers aren't up to running the software, and people
running unsupported platforms.
Also, considering how big the web is, there's no effective way of telling
all the potential customers out there. If I hadn't stumbled across the
first book in a book store, I wouldn't have known about the original 3
books. The chances of anyone doing that on the web are going to be a lot
lower, even on a well known site like amazon.
Then there's the little fact that a well taken care of book will still be
available for people to read in the future, but backwards compatability of
software is very iffy and the technology is still progressing very quickly.
>Authors *love* to get paid for what they write. Just ask Susan Garrett, or
>either of the other two authors (names escape me at the moment). If you
>were a
Susan Sizemore and Anne Hathaway-Nayne (actually two people.)
>good author, wouldn't *you* be willing to write a longer novel if you knew you
>were going to get paid for it?
I'll assume that "good author" comment wasn't meant personally. Honestly,
I'd write an FK novel even if I wasn't being paid for it, if a story idea
struck me hard enough, but yes, money would be nice too.
>merchandise when it's available, and chances are that if they ever *do* get
>around to offering some (I'm not holding my breath.) it'll probably be online,
>and you'd still need a credit card. Nobody likes taking checks any more.
Finding it offline might be trickier, and it might take slightly longer to
hit physical stores, but I doubt that they'd take that plunge and only
offer stuff online. It might be cheaper, but the potential customers online
aren't even close to the number of potential customers out there.
>Depending on the individual book settings (created by author and/or
>publisher),
>you may have the option to print. This feature is disabled in some books,
It's generally cheaper to buy a full length novel, than it is to print it
out. They also seem to hold up better and be easier to read.
>though. (why, I don't know... doesn't make sense. I don't plan on printing 30
>copies for all of my friends.) And, us FK fans are pretty good about stuff
>like that, anyway. :-)
Maybe you wouldn't, I wouldn't, and probably most, if not all, of the rest
of the list wouldn't. But we aren't the only ones out there.
Emma (elighton@b.......)
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head Mouse Clicker
Survivor of Wars 9 and 10
"James gave the huffle of a snail in danger" - A.A. Milne
http://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:15:49 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Fw: HOW do vampires fly?
Darn! I got bumped last night. Sending again. Kyer
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: HOW do vampires fly?
>
> Eternal wondered:> Instead of how fast or how high, I simply wonder <how> at
> all. No wings, no> clear means of propulsion. Does anybody have any ideas?
> Cheesy or not, I'd> love to hear them.
>
> Or how they first *discovered* they *could* fly.
>
> LaUgh, the vampire-Neanderathal looked out over his territory and saw a
> blonde Cro-Magnon (Nicooglah) sitting on a rock, angstying about having to
> kill that Sabertooth for his new headgear. Thinking, this was promising
> fledgling/convert material just made for the nightlife---(poor LaUgh being a
> tad nearsighted, didn't realize the 'fangs' were not really Nicooglah's
> own)---stepped forward to claim his son! ...Completley forgetting he was on
> a cliff at the time.....
>
> " Oops...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa----oooh. Neato."
>
> Grins, :)=
>
> Kyer, Loyal Squirette to the Knight de Brabant; Knight de Soir, CotK, One of
> The Hungry, Le Miz, Immortal Beloved (yet flexible), Weird Knight, Queen O'
> deTypos, Paranoid-Schitzoid Knightie with Multi-Personalities who's having a
> blast and an angstfest at one and the same time! kyer@p.......
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:17:55 -0700
From: KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: My latest fic list offering..
(I wish things didn't come to my mind right before dinner. <groan>)
Anyone who liked my I'll Hide My Shaking Hands offering despite the glaring
errors I left in it, e-mail me, and I'll send you a cleaner copy.
Grumbled
Kyer, kyer@p.......
who wishes she could proof read her own stuff better...
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:11:34 -0600
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
Doņa Angel D.S. wrote:
>
>I think that they--the "prospective vamps-to-be" apparently in FK DO have
>some type of experience as they are dying--<big snippage>
I actually agree here. Just as people in 'our' universe, i believe, often
have NDE, I believe there's something that many if not all vamps go
through. Your evidence for the idea of a choice is good too, though now
that I think how not all people have NDE, (or maybe we just don't know
about them) maybe not all vamps have one either. just a thought.
>Well, the guides in Nick's 2 NDE's looked different<snip>like LC, and
don't >know if he had any reason to expect>the first "guide" <snip>We don't
know if >Nick's 'belief system' and>Janette's would have included the NDE,
and my >guess is the he & she would maybe have seen an angel or something
The distinction i was making was between Nick's first ND experience, which
I believe was real, and the second, which, I realize I wasn't clear about,
wasn't really a NDE b/c I don't believe Nick was dying. It's pretty hard
to kill vamps, as we know, and who knows how accurate that thing-a-mijig
that woman made was even for humans, how could they know how it would read
a vampire? Sure Nick's body was in shock and possibly damaged, but just
like from any other injury, he would likely recover. However, in the state
he was in, i believe he had a hallucination. To me, that explains the use
of LC as Guide, since he has been ever-present in Nick's life. And it was
similar, structurally, to his previous NDE, which his mind drew on. Yeah,
it was also similar to the landscape the other victims of the TAM (that's
thing-a-majig ;-) dreamed/experienced, but to me that's plot twist stuff.
(aka, time for the cheese sticks- oh! you mean you've already got them out?
goodie!)
To me, the message he received from his Guide was so in sync with what Nick
NEEDED and WANTED to hear, that i think it must have come from his own
mind. He truly believes that he has lots more to make up for, that despite
what good he's done, it's not enough, and that's exactly what the Guide
told him. Too close for me to buy it.
>
>Janette told Nick that she, too, had a 'near death experience' and
>that LaCroix 'called her back'.
Yes, and i believe she did. I did find it hard to believe they hadn't ever
discussed it in 800 years, but maybe that wasn't the type of thing they
wanted to talk about <shrug>.
>Thank you! And, BTW, I really enjoy reading all the very thoughtful
>responses ya'll have been sharing in this discussion!
I have enjoyed this too. I hadn't actually thought out this as much, so
this has been a great way of clarifying things, even to myself.
BTW, Kyer said, regarding this discussion:
>I agree with Monica <gasp! multiple-Personae fall into a faint> because my
>Paranoid Personae says all episodes that feature creepy crawlies (like worms
>and Nightcrawlers)[<--very cute Kyer!] cannot possibly bode any good
>whatsoever.
Someone hand me a crash cart! :-D Even Kyer and I can agree on some
things. Although, of course, I would *rather* have all eps feature creepy
crawlies - at least of the Nightcrawler type!! <beg>
monica
luscious luicus lover
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:11:38 -0600
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix's age
Libratsie@a....... wrote:
>My view is that LaCroix is "2000" as in the sense that we tend to round
off long numbers to make them more impressive, less impressive, or just
easier to say. Saying LaCroix is 2000 doesn't mean he's quite there yet, it
is just easier to say than, for example, LaCroix is 1951 (just going on the
totally random age of 35 in 79 AD and using 1995 as the year his age was
stated).
>
Libs' comment brought a question to mind. What do any of you think about
how FK vamps measure their ages? Do they consider themselves the sum of
their mortal and immortal years? Or do they start counting all over again
once they become vamps? Or does it perhaps depend on the vamp how they
measure their age? Is there any canon evidence for the way to measure
their ages?
filled with questions,
monica
luscious lucius lover
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:46:47 -0600
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK...
maybe not watching these days, but...
I was wathcing highlander, and i kept having FK flashbacks in this ep. It
started when i saw in the credits that GWD would be in the ep. It was
weird enough seeing him, but when he said, "I have to do it, for Janette"
(paraphrased!) that was *too* weird. Then the final blow came when the
murderer came to kill the priest. The room was dark, but the man had close
cropped light hair and a long face, and he was dressed in black (a
priest!). If you haven't figured out yet, I thought it was LaCroix/NB for
a second! It was too much!
i must be in withdrawal...
monica
luscious lucius lover
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:11:09 -0600
From: Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Your Weekly Vote & FK's *Dropped* Position
Hi!
This is just a reminder for you to add your daily vote on the Global 100
Charts.
To vote go here: http://www.global100.com/item.asp?Item=51259
**We could really use the help of those wo have never voted before.**
Currently it has *dropped* to the #5 position unofficially.(this is what
needs to increase so it will officially).
Officially it is in the #7 position.
Thanks for participating!
Kristin
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