There are 15 messages totalling 576 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Catherine Disher on the CBC (again) (2) 2. Your Daily Vote and FK's *dropped* Position 3. FK Chat (2) 4. CBC Radio strikes again 5. Nat's boss 6. fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly??? (3) 7. AWARDS: Nomination Period Extended to Monday 8. FK Chat on onelist 9. Your Daily Vote & FK's **Increased** Position 10. Onelist (Was Catherine Disher on the CBC) 11. Converts and Canonical Gaps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1980 14:35:36 -0800 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> Subject: Catherine Disher on the CBC (again) Last week, I posted a note about Catherine Disher's role in CBC Radio One's 'National Affairs', and how folks could listen to it using RealAudio on CBC Radio's website. (Click the "Live Audio" link at cbc.ca.) Unfortunately, it didn't air in its usual 9:30-9:45 a.m. slot today. I expect they've taken one of their periodic breaks, and will return in a few weeks. (How's that for Murphy's Law in action?) To prove that this isn't all in my imagination, look at the CBC "This Morning" archive for last Friday at: http://www.radio.cbc.ca/insite/THIS_MORNING_TORONTO/2000/3/3.html I'll post a note when 'National Affairs' returns to the airwaves again; I'm not concerned that it's been cancelled, since its been part of CBC's flagship "This Morning" program ever since "This Morning" started 2 1/2 years ago. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:37:03 EST From: KnghtWtch@a....... Subject: Re: Your Daily Vote and FK's *dropped* Position In a message dated 3/10/00 8:16:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, kris1228@s....... writes: << This is just a reminder for you to add your daily vote on the Global 100 Charts. >> Thanks Kris. It's like I requested, everytime I see the reminder, I go right then and there and vote. Thanks again for the reminders. KnightWitch ;-]= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:46:38 EST From: Alifoxx@a....... Subject: FK Chat For anyone wanting to know of another FK chat, this is the AOL chat on Monday evenings at 11 pm, EST - <A HREF="aol://4344:754.tvrc.6701083.561337992">Chat /Remote Control</A> Just enter the room, it's easy. This chat has been going on for years! JL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1980 19:25:47 -0800 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> Subject: CBC Radio strikes again I was watching "Spin Doctor" for the first time tonight, and otherwise minding my own business, when I heard a familiar voice coming from the TV. The end credits confirmed my suspicion. Scott Walker, the actor playing the TV reporter is a CBC Radio news announcer who handles various national newscasts. He also has a weekly CBC Radio One feature, "Scott Walker's Musical Almanac", on this week in popular music history. Under the "creeping Americanisms" heading: from this episode, note that, despite what Don Schanke might think, in Canada, voter registration isn't part of the usual election process. (But maybe it is for Ontario civic elections?) Also, it would likely be a major scandal for a judge or former judge to run for any political office. They usually get appointed to lead Royal Commissions & judicial inquiries instead ;-) Your humble & obedient servant, Ligeia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:13:34 EST From: DanaKnight@a....... Subject: Re: Nat's boss In a message dated 3/10/2000 5:02:07 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes: << We've never had anything in canon about Nat's boss. The Jill reference must be fanfic. >> I named Nat's boss Terri. Judy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:05:09 -0000 From: Nadine Ziekursch <naddy1228@y.......> Subject: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly??? hi I've been asked by a friend (not on the list) who is writing on some fanfic piece to ask on-list if anyone has ANY idea how fast the FK vampires can fly...more specific, how long would it take a vampire to fly from Toronto to Colorado? Any suggestions??? No idea what the story will about, but since I had NO idea how to answere that question myself I thought I would ask onlist...<G> bye NADINE **************************************************** "Dogs believe they are human. Cats believe they are God." naddy1228@y....... ICQ# 38718805 http://go.to/naddy122 http://www.ravenette.xodox.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:11:36 EST From: Laudon1965@a....... Subject: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly??? In a message dated 03/10/2000 11:55:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, naddy1228@y....... writes: << I've been asked by a friend (not on the list) who is writing on some fanfic piece to ask on-list if anyone has ANY idea how fast the FK vampires can fly...more specific, how long would it take a vampire to fly from Toronto to Colorado? Any suggestions??? >> I don't think there's anything in canon to answer this. We see in "Ashes to Ashes" that Divia flies faster than other vampires, presumably because of her greater powers. Laurie of the Isles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:41:46 -0600 From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......> Subject: Re: FK Chat If any of you want to join the forkni-l list on Onelist, there is a chat room there for the list. In regards to the list itself: I "cybersquatted" on the forkni-l@o....... list a while ago in case our current list decided to move. (with the full knowledge of the listowners soon after the fact.) Recently, there were several people who joined the list over there to make sure that the list name remained ours. This was because egroups and onelist merged, and someone had created a forkni-l list on egroups two years ago, but it had NEVER been active. TPTB in the merger sent out letters, and in the case of duplicate names, they looked at number of members and activity on the list as the deciding factors on who would get to keep the name. Several members of this list responded when I asked for some people to sub to the list and just start generating some mail to insure that OUR forkni-l would be the one that kept its name. Anything was allowable to be sent - it did not have to be FK related. In fact, lots of good jokes went through the list in the last few weeks. :-) The forkni-l list on onelist is NOT intended to replace or compete with forkni-l@l......., and I do NOT want anyone to join it as such. That said, however, it *does* seem to be a perfect place for chatting, since each list also gets its own chat room. Go to http://www.onelist.com/group/forkni-l , and join the list. I suggest that you select the WEB ONLY / NO MAIL option when you join. If anyone has any other questions, please feel free ask! In fact, I will go drop into the chat room this morning while I'm working on some other stuff. Carla, aka copper6500@y....... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:52:20 -0500 From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......> Subject: Re: AWARDS: Nomination Period Extended to Monday Mel -- Whew! This is great news -- my ISP (Erol's) swooned for 36 hours last weekend, so I missed some major reading/nominating time! ----- Mary mcombs@e....... N&Npacker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:35:33 -0600 From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......> Subject: Re: FK Chat on onelist hmm... there appears to be some problems with the onelist chat software, and it's not just confined to our list. I've reported the problem, and will let y'all know when it's up. Feel free to still subscribe if you want, though. Carla, aka copper6500@y....... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:03 -0600 From: Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......> Subject: Your Daily Vote & FK's **Increased** Position Hi! This is just a reminder for you to add your daily vote on the Global 100 Charts. To vote go here: http://www.global100.com/item.asp?Item=51259 We could really use the help of those wo have never voted before. Currently it INCREASED to the *#5* position unofficially!(this is what needs to increase so it will officially). Keep it up! That's great! Officially it is in the #7 position. Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:24:03 -0500 From: "Brenda F. Bell" <webwarren@e.......> Subject: Re: Catherine Disher on the CBC (again) At 02:35 PM 3/10/80 -0800, Angela Gottfried wrote: >Last week, I posted a note about Catherine Disher's role in CBC Radio >One's 'National Affairs'... >look at the CBC "This Morning" archive for last Friday at: >http://www.radio.cbc.ca/insite/THIS_MORNING_TORONTO/2000/3/3.html I checked out the link Angela gave us and found further that: >To order tapes or transcripts of the show please contact Bowden's Media Monitoring (1-800-363-1530) with the correct date and time you heard the segment that you're interested in. Payment may be made by cheque, money order or major credit cards. > So, if you're interested... Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer... UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/ Gerthering 3 Photos: http://nj5.injersey.com/~ic97/gertherng/ Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:12:43 -0800 From: Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@h.......> Subject: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly??? Nadine asked: > I've been asked by a friend (not on the list) who is writing on some > fanfic piece to ask on-list if anyone has ANY idea how fast the FK > vampires can fly... In Jane Doe, we've seen Nick move faster than light, since that's about the only way he could have gotten ahead of whatshisname several times. > more specific, how long would it take a vampire to fly from Toronto to > Colorado? Any suggestions??? Depends on how much luggage he takes. ;-) Seriously, we don't really have any info. Divia reached TO from Egypt in a night, but for all we know, she could have found a plane headed in the right direction and hitched a ride on top of it. In my stories, I've always figured a vampire can fly as fast as she or he wants. But the fast they fly, the Hungrier they'll be when they land. Hope this helps. Hugs and Kisses, Liz the Lucky FoD Merc luckyliz@m....... Nanette DNP Nother http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz Official Story Titler of the Nothers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:21:14 -0600 From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......> Subject: Onelist (Was Catherine Disher on the CBC) > >Last week, I posted a note about Catherine Disher's role in CBC Radio > >One's 'National Affairs'... This is perfect segue into my email. (See *Calendar below) I'm sending along the same information I just sent to the forkni-l@o....... group, since I think this list can make use of the same stuff. ************************************************** SUBJ: FORKNI-L@o....... ADMIN - PLEASE READ A couple of things: First of all, we officially have the list name now, so we no longer need to volume post in an effort to retain the name. Please continue to use the regular forkni-l@l....... for general FK discussions. You can still post fun stuff here for now, including passing along that great joke you just got. Please note that I reserve the right to turn forkni-l@o....... into an announcement only or moderated list (meaning no one can post except the moderators or with moderators permission). I'd like people to consider this site as a companion to the original list, not a replacement. Second, lets make use of the features available to us through Onelist/Egroups. The most important ones I think are: *Calendar - use the calendar to put up dates relating to anything FK, including CONS or other shows where our favorite actors/actresses are appearing, CON dates, etc. Please be sure to indicate locations, channels, times, and timezones if appropriate. Include a web link if available. Think how great it would be if you could easily look at a calendar and see that NB was on tonight, or GWD was on next weekend? *Links - we can add links to any FK-related site. I've already put Mel's fanfic sit up there. Put your own FK site there, your affiliation's site, etc. *Chat - well, if they ever get it working again.... :-) A place for us to chat. *Database feature - a place where we could create databases for typical things, like contact lists (email, IRC, IM, etc.), FAQs, etc. I'd rather we not post addresses and phone numbers in the contact lists, please, and I WILL edit them out if you include them! After writing the above paragraph, I went ahead and created a contact database for email and messaging. Feel free to add a record in for yourself, and only that information you want to share. Nothing is required. Anyone subscribed to the list can add links, create databases, add to the calendar, so let's do it! -Carla copper6500@y....... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:12:27 -0800 From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......> Subject: Converts and Canonical Gaps In Thursday's digest, "Doņa Angel D.S." <donaangel@h.......> asked: <<what is commonly accepted in FK FanFic and FK Fandom about the following:>> This is a particularly interesting and fun question, as it recognizes the difference between what most people accept and employ, for story purposes, and what is canonically rock-solid. My personal favorite in this category is our widespread use of the term "fledgling" for a newly-come-across vampire, a term which, as I recall, never appears on-screen in FK. Rather, Nick uses the word "convert" up front in first-season's "I Will Repay." I'm not a fan of vampires other than FK; Nick's immediate predecessor in the genre, for me, was Bunnicula, and I read Stoker strictly for nineteenth-century lit. So when I joined the fandom, I picked up the use of "fledgling" without question. Only much later, after my Nth-generation IWR was finally replaced by a clear SciFi Channel copy, did I hear the use of "convert." I was dismayed -- and inspired. The nuances of "convert" are infinitely more powerful than those of "fledgling," what with its implications of choice and the exercise of free will. And the difference between common use and canon has been intriguing me ever since. <<"Fatal Mistake" where Nick thinks he's drained Alexandra, and LC finds "there's still life in" her and gives her his blood, <snip> would the new vampire "re-born" in such a manner have 2 vampire masters <snip> and have vampire "ties" to each of her "parents"?>> Fanfic assumptions vary. Most of the stories I've read posit that Lacroix's revival of Alexandra supersedes and/or completes whatever Nick started, leaving Nick with no "master" link to her whatsoever. Lisa McDavid's use of Lacroix and Alexandra in "Heart Within the Beast" comes to mind. Some post-"Last Knight" stories have extended this supposition to a scenario in which Lacroix gives Natalie blood after Nick drains her, and is therefore her sole "master." A few other stories and discussions, however, have employed Alexandra as an example with which to beat Nick for supposedly "poor vampire senses." (And if that's your goal, FM's great fodder! As is the initially-unnoticed vampire technician in UTV.) This belief assumes that a vampire in Alexandra's position does have convert-master links to both vampires involved in her death, and that Nick's apparent ignorance of Alexandra's survival, presence and motives in "Fatal Mistake" reveals a "poorly-developed master-convert sense," a theory which is then usually carried up to LK, where it justifies a reading in which Natalie has come across, but Nick just doesn't realize it. Alyce is frequently employed to support this theory as well. Within the context of FM, Nick seems to have no link to Alexandra besides a guilty memory -- and, just perhaps, the "one always knows family" sense which he would share with any other of Lacroix's get. He chases her because he *sees* her, not because he *senses* her, and, naturally enough, he initially thinks her a ghost -- ghosts being canonical in FK, and Nick being fairly comfortable with them (LA, DoN, Fran). In refutation of the "poor vampire senses" claim, I'd offer both generally many instances of finely-honed skills, and specifically the successful conversions of Elizabeth (IWR), Richard (IWR), Gerald (Fever) and Serena (B,B) -- the first three died not because of any incapability in the vampirism Nick passed on, but rather because they were *too* vampiric, and reveled in the vampire in ways abhorrent to Nick's conscience. In defense of the "Alexandra as Nick's get" argument, there's the fact that she clearly blames him, not Lacroix, for her situation. Still, Lacroix's had almost six-hundred years to convince her of that, and his persuasive powers are formidable. In short, I believe fanfic consensus leans a bit toward "only Lacroix is Alexandra's maker," while canon admittedly reserves room for both interpretations. <<And would the "ties" to one of these "parents" be equal or stronger between the new "childe" and one or both of her "parents"?>> Good one! Controversial! Given that FK has no consistent statement on the giving of blood from a master vampire to a convert -- sometimes it happens (Lacroix and Nick, Lacroix and Alexandra); sometimes it doesn't (Nick and Serena, Vachon and Urs, Nick and Richard) -- fanfic has produced many theories about the whens and whys of that exchange. The four most prominent in my reading are: 1. A blood exchange makes the bond stronger than it would otherwise be. 2. A blood exchange strengthens the convert as a vampire, but doesn't affect the bond in any way. 3. A blood exchange is necessary only to transfer "mastership" in such "half-way" cases. 4. There's always a blood exchange, evidence be darned. One intriguing and popular thread has always drawn out from Nick's comment in IWR that he doesn't believe it has to be the way Janette describes, the way it was with Lacroix, the "eternal bond" and so on. His firm assertion of disbelief, coupled with the fact that we have never seen him give his blood to a fledgling (poor, dead Alyssa excepted), perhaps gave rise to the theory that the blood equals the bond -- that without the blood exchange, the master-convert bond is weak to non-existent. If this supposition were paired with the situation of a convert linked to both her drainer and one who gave her blood, we would get the conclusion that the drainer has little to no link to the new fledgling, while the one who gave blood has a strong to overwhelming link. On the other hand, the theory that it's the draining which locks in allegiance persists. So many FK vampires come across without blood exchanges, this position holds, that draining must be the primary and enduring forger of the bond. <<who do ya'll think finished bringing Alyce Hunter across>> I think she came across all on her own. Lacroix was dead, after all, as far as the writers were concerned at that time, and yet they let Alyce live, so a Lacroix-free interpretation should, theoretically, be built in. Similarly, as Dona Angel points out, Nick's dialogue to Natalie at the end of DKII identifies her with Lacroix as "the lucky ones" -- the dead. He can't have done it, unless we want a schizophrenic or lying Nick. Besides which, we have any number of vampires who came over without being given blood (Mad Jack in BaBl may be the most striking example). "Near Death" suggests, through both Nick and Janette, that it is the *choice* which effects the transition, not the blood. Blood exchange seems so little necessary for coming across that I posit Alexandra would eventually have come over on her own as Nick's progeny, had Lacroix not interfered. Indeed -- what if he interfered precisely to prevent that, to prevent Nick from acquiring a convert at that time? <<but I cannot tell if he does see Alyce up at the skylight in the museum's roof/ceiling?>> I think he, like Schanke and Natalie, miss the sight. If for no other reason than it was dark inside, where Alyce was, and light outside under the street-lamp, where they were. This would make anyone inside the window all but invisible to a casual onlooker. Still, the fact that she's there, undead, on what is presumably just the next night, hollows out one of those marvelous and infuriating gaps in FK canon. For Nick to think she's dead, as his dialogue suggests, her body must still have been in the loft when the paramedics/firemen/police came, yielding the same situation as at the end of "Hearts of Darkness" -- so what did Nick think, after DKII as after HoD, when he heard, as he must have, that the body "went missing"? Or could he not have heard? Thanks for the fun topic, Amy R. akr@l....... http://users.lanminds.com/~akr/fk/ ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 10 Mar 2000 to 11 Mar 2000 (#2000-71) **************************************************************
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