FORKNI-L
Digest - 28 Feb 2000 to 29 Feb 2000 (#2000-60)
Tue, 29 Feb 2000
There are 21 messages totalling 688 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Other folks' fic 1
2. My 1999 FK Pieces
3. Sandi Ross (Grace) project
4. 1999 FKFanFic Awards (plus Master Sheet) (3)
5. Vehicle Laws in Canada (5)
6. Oh, I'm just wild about Mary! <g> (2)
7. My 1999 fiction
8. Admin: Thanks but it's ok
9. Grace and Nat (2)
10. MY '99 Stories
11. Liam O'Neal questions (2)
12. 1999 FK Fiction
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:27:36 -0500
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Other folks' fic 1
For those of you interested in (and authorized to) read Adult fic, I
commend to your attention the writings of Mistress V, aka Vicki Pasek,
which you will find posted on Jadfe in the Nick and Natalie section. Her
1999 writings include a series of stories about Nick and Nat that are
full of humor and joy as well as romance.
Vicki doesn't post to the other lists, so many of you may not have
encountered her writing!
Here's the link to jadfe:
http://www.lady-lacroix.com/jadfe/
-----
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:44:59 -0800
From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: My 1999 FK Pieces
I was "nomail" on forkni-l, but a very kind and thoughtful person alerted
me to this thread, and I went "digest."
I only sent two pieces to fkfic-l in 1999: "That Ain't Love," a
song-challenge story, and "Longer than the Medicis," a pentameter poem.
Anyone interested may find both items on my FK fiction page at
<http://users.lanminds.com/~akr/fk/fiction/> and in Mel's archive. My
older Net fanfic appears in both places as well.
Best wishes,
Amy R., Knightie
akr@l.......
http://users.lanminds.com/~akr/fk/
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:51:50 -0500
From: "R. Royal" <RhondaR@p.......>
Subject: Re: Sandi Ross (Grace) project
>
> Setting the stage for diversity The newly founded Obsidian Theatre Company is
> dedicated to the development of the black voice in Toronto and beyond...
Thanks so much, Lindy, for sharing this article; I hope Sandi Ross and Alison
Sealy-Smith are successful in getting the Obsidian Theatre Company off and
running soon. It's sad to know that there are still people out there that
display their ignorance by making remarks such as the one mentioned in the hate
mail received by Stratford artistic director
Richard Monette; kudos to Alison for dismissing the remarks as atypical.
I always enjoyed Sandi's too brief appearances as Grace; it's too bad we didn't
see more interaction between Grace and Nat in some episodes.
Rhonda
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:58:38 -0500
From: "R. Royal" <RhondaR@p.......>
Subject: Re: 1999 FKFanFic Awards (plus Master Sheet)
> And since we all like to showcase our work and help
> contribute as a whole, I think a nice master sheet of
> authors and author works would go a long way to help
> out everyone and let them see what's out there.
Thankyouthankyouthankyou..... what a thoughtful (and very helpful)
gesture!
Rhonda
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:57:59 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: 1999 FKFanFic Awards (plus Master Sheet)
I'm a little confused about this. Was this supposed to be a comprehensive
list of the posts everyone has already dropped to the list? If so, my stuff
is missing. If not, are we supposed to add to the list?
Barb
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:03:37 -0500
From: Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Laws in Canada
Knightraven <knightraven@c.......> writes:
>I need some help with an up coming fic. Could someone in Canada or who knows
>about this tell me...Do cops come up and ask for License and registration
>papers like they do in the states?
I answered this on list in case anyone else is wondering about this.
If you're pulled over in Canada (and regrettably I have :-) ), these are
usually the first two things that the cop will ask you for. It's a very,
very good bet that you will also be asked for proof of insurance coverage.
>In NZ we have only our drivers License on our persons. The vehicle must have
>visible on its windscreen, a current warrant of fitness(mechanical check)
>and a current registration(road tax) otherwise it's an instant fine.
In Ontario, as I recall, if you don't have your license and/or proof of
insurance, you are given a ticket on the spot (although I wonder how they
give you a ticket without a license or some other identification, hmmm...?
Maybe they'll take you in? Luckily, I've never been in THIS predicament
before!!). You have 48 hours (or maybe 24, I don't remember) to bring your
missing documentation along with the ticket to any police station, and
they'll cancel the ticket.
>Plus license plates both front and rear.
While driving through southern Wisconsin (I was between Stoughton and
Janesville - any list members nearby?), I called in a police report (over
cellular) about a car with NO license plates. The lady who answered really
did not seem terribly interested. Hmmm....
Cheers,
W.
---
Will Steeves, goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD", "GOiDS Rule", etc.
Proud Member of FREE (http://www.vix.com/free); Nu '97, Psi Upsilon
Temporary Kentuckian, NOT waiting for the Browngrass to turn white.
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:43:19 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Vehicle Laws in Canada
In a message dated 2/28/00 9:06:32 PM Central Standard Time, goid@i.......
writes:
> While driving through southern Wisconsin (I was between Stoughton and
> Janesville - any list members nearby?), I called in a police report (over
> cellular) about a car with NO license plates. The lady who answered really
> did not seem terribly interested. Hmmm....
Because, at least in Arkansas, you have something like 10 days to get the car
licensed thus you do see a number of vehicles running around without licenses
on any given day. However, they do "spot check" vehicles to make sure you
have the proper paperwork proving ownership and date of purchase inside the
glovebox. I'm embarrassed to admit I ran a stop sign totally accidentally the
day after I'd purchased a vehicle several years ago. Fortunately, the cop was
very understanding and theorized (along with me) that I'd just looked down at
the still unfamiliar dashboard cheeking the speed as I DID slow and he could
tell I was looking downwards. He let me go ;-) I think a large part of it
being I was a very small woman looking meekly at him from the bench seat of a
very large pickup truck (which I don't have anymore and miss terribly).
You know, to get this back on topic, I wonder if Nick ever worked as a
traffic cop and how easy it'd be for someone he'd stop to "angst" their way
out of a ticket? "But... but... I was on my way to see a lady about a cure
for this ... drinking probably I have! I want my LIFE back again! Can you
understand??? CAN YOU???"
Something tells me Nick would!
--Libby
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:30:54 -0800
From: Steve Hood <nexus_dragon@y.......>
Subject: Re: 1999 FKFanFic Awards (plus Master Sheet)
I got quite a few messages dealing with whether that
was complete. It's not. Not by a long shot. And I
apologize for giving that impression.
The intention of the Master Sheet is simply an
organizational tool for us, as writers, readers,
voters and nominators, to have something to reference
when nominating stories. There are several posts
missing and what I hoped was that if you all were
interested, let's consolidate and get what's been
written in one location so we all know what we can
nominate. ;-)
That's the idea for the Master Sheet. But it's a work
in progress, and it needs you guys to help round it
out and fill in what's not there. And from the
response, it sounds like you're all interested.
So let me make a proposal to you all.
Author Name
Stories the author has written (don't forget to add
what category it falls under)
where to find them (the urls)
Send me the information and I'll compile it into one
sheet. If the information grows vast, I'll create a
page for it and put it up on one of the sites
(depending on where it should be- ideally on Mel's,
but she's on vacation at the moment). If we jump on
it, we can get a pretty clear picture of what's
available to nominate all in one place, along with the
links to the stories (both at FKfanfic.com and at your
respective sites). That way we all get a chance at
being nominated and a chance to win an award.
So it's all up to you. But I think Lisa would
appreciate it very much if we found another format to
promote our works-
-Steve
=====
"Dragons never die. They just get more silly every day!"
-that insane guy, Steve, yes, I think his name is
"Pesky things, dragons are.
Somehow I just didn't see it coming
What did I miss?????"
-nexus_dragon
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:37:27 -0500
From: "Brenda F. Bell" <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Laws in Canada
Will Steeves wrote:
>In Ontario, as I recall, if you don't have your license and/or proof of
>insurance, you are given a ticket on the spot (although I wonder how they
>give you a ticket without a license or some other identification, hmmm...?
They can send the ticket to the address to which the license plate is
registered. BTW, this is how the patrolcar-less speeding tickets are
issued. (Radar notes speeding vehicle, camera takes photo of license plate
with clocked speed, ticket is automatically generated and sent to the
address to which the car is registered, along with a copy of the photo. My
understanding is that these tickets are unfightable. I think this is
already standard procedure in some parts of Germany, and there's been talk
of importing it to the US, if it's not already in place in some
jurisdictions here...)
>Maybe they'll take you in? Luckily, I've never been in THIS predicament
>before!!). You have 48 hours (or maybe 24, I don't remember) to bring your
>missing documentation along with the ticket to any police station, and
>they'll cancel the ticket.
I think driving without a license and registration may be an arrestable
offense in some US jurisdictions.
>>Plus license plates both front and rear.
Some states still only require a single license plate (rear). I'm not sure
that you can't purchase a front plate for these cars, but two-plate states
have to honor that a rear plate from a one-plate state is sufficient.
>While driving through southern Wisconsin (I was between Stoughton and
>Janesville - any list members nearby?), I called in a police report (over
>cellular) about a car with NO license plates. The lady who answered really
>did not seem terribly interested. Hmmm....
Dunno about *cars*, but it's my understanding that *farm equipment* does
not have the same restrictions as nonagricultural vehicles. In many rural
areas, they can travel the same roads that cars do, and you don't need a
license to operate them. I've been told that this (driving agricultural
vehicles on and off roads) is how many farm kids learn to drive...
At 10:43 PM 2/28/00 EST, Libratsie commented:
>...at least in Arkansas, you have something like 10 days to get the car
>licensed thus you do see a number of vehicles running around without licenses
>on any given day... [They] do "spot check" vehicles to make sure you have
>the proper paperwork... inside the glovebox.
Many states issue a temporary license that gives you from 10 to 30 days to
get your car registered and inspected and get permanent license plates.
Depending on the state, these can present as a card "license plate" with
hand-written or printed number, in the normal license plate position (e.g.,
Delaware), a slip of paper hanging in the rear window (e.g., New Jersey),
or an official letter sitting up front over the dashboard (e.g., Nevada).
'Course, Nick's biggest problem with the Caddy is going to be getting it to
pass those new antipollution ignition tests...
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:22:10 +1300
From: Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Laws in Canada
First off, Thanks Will! But for everyone elses interest...and I know this is
riviting stuff...<eg>
> In Ontario, as I recall, if you don't have your license and/or proof of
> insurance, you are given a ticket on the spot (although I wonder how they
> give you a ticket without a license or some other identification, hmmm...?
In NZ it is sent to the registered owner of the car. Not the driver.
So dad is not in a good mood a few ays later when a fine for $200 bucks
turns up in the mail!<g>
The driver must produce a licence if asked or instant fine is given to them
personally. They will haul you downtown if you don't give any other ID and a
computer check comes up with nothing or outstanding warrents or fines etc,
or they may just prevent you from driving any further.
> Maybe they'll take you in? Luckily, I've never been in THIS predicament
> before!!). You have 48 hours (or maybe 24, I don't remember) to bring your
> missing documentation along with the ticket to any police station, and
> they'll cancel the ticket.
Just not having it on you will give you a fine. It's getting a bit Police
stat like here. In a gentle kind of way, but it's beginning to get a bit
disconcerting.
I wonder what our vampire friends thought about the decent of freewill and
the uprise of the mighty propaganda machine during Nazi Germany?
Kylie.
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:37:50 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Oh, I'm just wild about Mary! <g>
(...cause Mary's much wiser than me!
Oh, I'm just wild about Mary....
Kyer would like to publically thank Mary Comb for saving her fic post from
Limbo---(not to mention my slide into unwanted sanity! hehe. <g> It seems
the doc was only unreadable to *my* computer. Sending it as an attachment
released the evil enough to get a whole copy back)
So here's a great, big, Sasquatch-category, Squirette hug and kiss from Kyer
and the Personalities! <eg> Ready?
.... Come back here, Mary! You can't escape that easily! I'll send Nick to
fly you down from that telephone pole before you can finish sending that
emergency call!
Grins, :)=
Kyer, Loyal Squirette to the Knight de Brabant; Knight de Soir, CotK, One of
The Hungry, Le Miz, Immortal Beloved (yet flexible), Weird Knight, Queen O'
deTypos, Paranoid-Schitzoid Knightie with Multi-Personalities who's having a
blast and an angstfest at one and the same time! kyer@p.......
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:06:47 -0500
From: Kathy Whelton <KWhelton@c.......>
Subject: My 1999 fiction
Hi all,
I'm afraid my list of offerings is rather small this year, I've
only posted one story in 1999.
But I Might...
It is available at
<http://people.mn.mediaone.net/nancykam/kwfic.html> as well
as Mel's site.
Kathy
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:29:20 +0100
From: Llarian <manulanger@t.......>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Laws in Canada
Brenda wrote:
> issued. (Radar notes speeding vehicle, camera takes photo of license plate
> with clocked speed, -snip -
> already standard procedure in some parts of Germany, and there's been talk
> of importing it to the US, if it's not already in place in some
> jurisdictions here...)
In fact, here in Germany the photo shows not only the licence plate, but
also the
driver's face (through the windshield). These tickets are not completely
unfightable,
but they are pretty tough to fight. You can try to claim faulty radar
equipment if the
speed given is outragiously high, or you can try to prove that the speed
limit was
lowered just previously to the radar equipment being installed and/or you
could not
notice the sign because it was hidden from view.
To keep this on topic: What would one of our favorite vampires do if they were
photographed by one of these contraptions *without* a car (running at vampire
speed, or flying to low)? Would Nick try to whammy the radar into giving him
the photo? ;-)
Llarian
mailto:manulanger@t.......
Join the SciFi-Crossover-Webring at:
http://home.tronet.de/manulanger/index.html
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:12:50 -0500
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: Admin: Thanks but it's ok
I think the Master Sheet for authors is a great idea and hope it will be
compiled and posted somewhere. Otoh, I think I'd better say that it's ok to
write in and list your work, too. We don't do it much, but discussing fanfic
is one of the things we do on Forkni-l.
Again, thanks, Steve!
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:18:07 -0500
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: Grace and Nat
I have heard that we didn't see more of Grace because after the first season
they lost the writer who created her. Since you have to pay the writer each
time you use a character from his or her script in another show, this made
Grace a little more expensive to use.
Grace had so much potential! I wish they'd used her more.
Having been lucky enough to meet and talk a little with Sandi Ross at the FK
party at the first con where the show was represented. (Toronto Trek in
1993), I can testify that she has a great since of humor and would have made
a wonderful continuing character. Also, that she is much smaller than she
looked on screen and much prettier. (This is also true of Natsuko Ohama as
Amanda Cohen.)
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:29:05 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Grace and Nat
In a message dated Tue, 29 Feb 2000 1:17:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:
(This is also true of Natsuko Ohama as
> Amanda Cohen.)
And you guys ought to hear Natsuko scream hysterically (those of you at Bridging
the Knight did). Imagine her holding the police evidence back with the Ratsie
Wot Kilt Screed in it, "YOU GUYS ARE ***CRAZY***" I don't think she ever really
opened the bidding - I just started screaming bids out.
By the way, my official name for the Ratsie Wot Kilt Screed is "Ratsuko" in
honor of Natsuko. <wRPg>
Natsuko is one very fine actress and person. I only wish I'd gotten to speak
with her more... Though I think she was trying to avoid me after I won the rat!
hehehehe
--Libs
Keeper o' the Ratsie Wot Kilt Screed
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:12:46 -0800
From: tigrlady2u@j.......
Subject: Re: MY '99 Stories
I think I only posted two in '99... if you know of more, please tell me!
'The Captive' is on Mel's site.
I'm pretty sure I posted 'Just Dropping In' in 1999, even though it
didn't get put on JADFE until Jan. 2000... let me know if this is wrong.
Things have been so chaotic for the last year and a half, it's a wonder
I can even remember my own name!
Does anyone know if I posted 'Sydney' in '98 or in '99? I can not,
for the life of me, remember. I think it was Jan. '99, but I'm not sure.
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
Light Cousin/Unholy Trinity.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:39:49 PST
From: Gladys Bears <rockiebears@n.......>
Subject: Liam O'Neal questions
I would like to use the oppurtunity, when people are reading fictions day and
night because of the awards nomination, and ask you: Do you know some fictions
with Liam O'Neal in them? I read Unfinished Business by Kathy Whelton and I
found the plan of Survivors by Bonnie Rutledge on her web page, but that's
all. Please, recommend me stories with O'Neal in them.
I'm wondering why doesn't he have a faction? (or has he, only I don't know
about it?) I mean, he is only in Bad Blood, but we know all about him. He is
an enemy of our vampires, but he appreciates Nick's behavior. He also carries
an conflict himself like most members of the show. He is an interesting
character.
Thanks forever
Gladys
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:53:45 -0500
From: Anna Wooten <awooten@e.......>
Subject: Re: Oh, I'm just wild about Mary! <g>
So that's who Mary got her groove from...Hmmmmmmm.
Back to obscurity........
Anna!
Kyer wrote:
> (...cause Mary's much wiser than me!
> Oh, I'm just wild about Mary....
>
> Kyer would like to publically thank Mary Comb for saving her fic post from
> Limbo---(not to mention my slide into unwanted sanity! hehe. <g> It seems
> the doc was only unreadable to *my* computer. Sending it as an attachment
> released the evil enough to get a whole copy back)
>
> So here's a great, big, Sasquatch-category, Squirette hug and kiss from Kyer
> and the Personalities! <eg> Ready?
> .... Come back here, Mary! You can't escape that easily! I'll send Nick to
> fly you down from that telephone pole before you can finish sending that
> emergency call!
>
> Grins, :)=
>
> Kyer, Loyal Squirette to the Knight de Brabant; Knight de Soir, CotK, One of
> The Hungry, Le Miz, Immortal Beloved (yet flexible), Weird Knight, Queen O'
> deTypos, Paranoid-Schitzoid Knightie with Multi-Personalities who's having a
> blast and an angstfest at one and the same time! kyer@p.......
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:29:20 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@h.......>
Subject: Re: Liam O'Neal questions
Gladys asked:
> Do you know some fictions with Liam O'Neal in them?
I have a story with Liam in it, though he's not exactly a main character.
It's called Girls' Night Out, and it's at
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz/Fiction/GNO.htm and
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz/Fiction/GNO.txt. For various reasons,
it's never been on FKFic-l, so it'll be brand new. Incidentally, it was
written in 1999, along with a couple other stories in the Elaine Saga.
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky FoD Merc
luckyliz@m....... Nanette DNP Nother
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz Official Story Titler of the Nothers
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:22:26 -0500
From: Mary Lou Manzie <mmanzie1@m.......>
Subject: 1999 FK Fiction
Hi Gang!
I'm afraid I wasn't in a 'production' mode in 1999, but here are the two
stories I wrote:
Indigo Rain (for Katherine Robert's booklet for charity at the 2nd annual
Nick and Nat Pack Mini-Con in Toronto)
and
Every Gift
Both can be found on my webpage, http://home.maine.rr.com/marylou/
along with my other, older stories (All I Need, Prelude and Un Acte de Foi).
You can also find a good and properly
formatted copy of David Galloway's epic, Didacts and Narpets, for your
reading enjoyment.
Good luck to all! Mary Lou Manzie
"The absence of feedback IS feedback!"
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