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Logfile LOG9606E Part 3

June 29-June 30, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606E" Part 3

	TOPICS:
	A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS  (5)
	Affiliations
	Silly Trivia
	HF: a question for Ravens
	Games Vampires Play
	Thank You!
	How Nat found out about Nick
	questions, questions, questions  (4)
	Blood shortage in Ontario
	Question of the week
	Bricks
	FK Dolls
	200 Responses!/Brought the pizza guy across!
	bricks  (3)
	Virtual Season
	A Good Way to Solve Crimes?
	CERK T-Shirts Still Available
	test
	War and Food
	FKLIST-L/Order vs. Local Purchase of CD
	Last Reminder: FK Fave Episode Survey!
	It's a little thing
	Fiction
	Encouraging news on the CD...

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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:54:42 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS

Francesca Spoilers follow:

(And now, a bit of poetry while we wait)

I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars
Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;

        -- Lord Byron



And now, the spoilers:


Luciana wrote:
If this is true, then would Nick be able to see a murderer's
face by drinking from a murder victim?



In Francesca, Nick specifically says that he can see how someone died by
drinking their blood -- so yes, he could see the murderer, assuming the
victim knew who the murderer was.  But he'd have to prove it some other way,
of course.

You're right, it would make a good story.  In fact, it _did_ make a good
story -- see Unforgettable, starring Ray Liotta and Linda Fiorentino.

But that movie really left a lot to be desired, so by all means, correct the
faults and write the fiction!



Ann
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:53:54 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Affiliations

I was wondering: is there anyone who could post or email to me all of the
known affiliations?

I mean, I know some of them -- Cousins, FoDs, N&N, Nat-packers -- but there
are a few I've seen where I don't know what they are (Immortal Beloveds,
Valentines, etc.).

Would anyone be so kind as to enlighten me?


Thanks,
Ann
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:29:53 -0500
From:         Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS

>Francesca Spoilers follow:
>
>(And now, a bit of poetry while we wait)
>
>I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
>The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars
>Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
>Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
>Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;
>
>        -- Lord Byron
>
>
>
>And now, the spoilers:

>In Francesca, Nick specifically says that he can see how someone died by
>drinking their blood -- so yes, he could see the murderer, assuming the
>victim knew who the murderer was.  But he'd have to prove it some other way,
>of course.

When did he say that?

----  TJ
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:43:31 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS

Francesca Spoilers:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

I wrote:
>In Francesca, Nick specifically says that he can see how someone died by
>drinking their blood

And TJ asked:
When did he say that?


And I reply(I wish AOL would do this for me)
Nick gives a big long speech to Nat about why drinking blood is fun, while
Catherine Disher gives very nice but slightly over-directed reaction shots,
and he says that every drop of blood contains who you are, and that in
drinking you can see everything, including "how they died."  Can someone post
the exact text for me?


Ann
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:08:11 -0700
From:         Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@c.......>
Subject:      Re: Silly Trivia

On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, K Sweebe wrote:

> I am interested in how you think the flashbacks have to be in Paris.  All
> I've gotten out of them is generic Medieval architecture-could be anywhere.
>  I've watched "Light of the Moon, and 'Near Death' several times on this due
> to fic. I'm writing.  If there is something there making it HAVE to be Paris
> I really want to know.  I thought most likely Italy.

Given the name -- de Brabant -- he's from a noble house in what is now
Belgium (Brabant was a duchy).  Odds are that if he was near  _home_, back
from the crusades, he was not in Paris, but further north.
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 16:14:52 -0500
From:         Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject:      HF: a question for Ravens

I take it HF is out of spoiler protection now that it's been repeated? If
not, apologies in advance.

I have a question for the Ravens/Ravenettes out there. I know many of you
were dissatisfied with the character of Janette as protrayed in HF. As a
relative newbie, I would be very interested in learning how Ravens percieve
Janette and why that perception seemed at odds with the things that
happened to her in HF. I'm not trying to start an argument; I just really
want to know, partly because I want to get the post-HF Janette right in my
fanfic.

The first time I saw HF, I had seen only one pre-3rd-season ep: Fate Worse
Than Death (which, of course, provides its own insights into the character
of Janette). I found HF fascinating if somewhat hard to believe from a
scientific standpoint (and I have my own theory that explains, pretty
convincingly, that she was never really mortal, though she believed she
was). I liked Janette, as portrayed in HF, very much.

Now I've seen all of first season and much of second. Seeing HF again from
that perspective was interesting, but I still didn't have a problem
reconciling the HF Janette with the pre-HF Janette. In fact, I found her HF
behavior to be very much like the behavior she exhibited as a mortal in
FWTD--a little shy, fiercely devoted to those she cared for, maternal. The
main thing I see missing is the overt sensuality and the self-confidence
she usually showed Nick (but often lost in the presence of LaCroix).

Please enlighten me--and tread gently, y'all. I don't want anyone upsetting
anyone else--I just want to *understand*. TIA!

Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:30:35 -0500
From:         "K. Hansen" <usleamys@u.......>
Subject:      Games Vampires Play

Hi all --

Should there be spoiler space for this ep?

Ah well.

SPACE

SPACE

SPACE

SPACE

SPACE

There we are.  And about this ep -- I was slightly underwhelmed.  I was
hoping that it would be more of a "Nick struggles with his nature" ep
rather than a "Nick, cop on a mission" ep.  I was hoping that there would
be more of an emphasis on how the game was forcing Nick to backslide.  Oh
well.

What I didn't understand (apart from how they all guessed that it would be
an anagram - how did they know to call it a jackknife?  I would have just
said "knife.") was how Nick didn't flinch or anything when he went into the
virtual church.  I mean, he was kept at bay by that gal Megan and her
luminous cross.  You can't tell me that he's come *that* far since "For I
Have Sinned."  I dunno - the whole ep just struck me as kind of silly.
Well, not the "Nick backsliding" part.  Mostly the whole idea of the game.
If I had been that gamewoman, I would have been glad to get away with it; I
wouldn't have attracted more attention to myself by killing a cop after
leading him to myself.  But that's just me.  And that's just my "too
sense."


Cathy
usleamys@u.......
Chair of Ancient Languages Dep't
Miskatonic University
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 16:37:25 -0500
From:         "J.A. Stafford" <knightgal@e.......>
Subject:      Thank You!

This has absolutely nothing to do with FK.  Well, almost nothing!  I
wanted to issue a general "thank you!!!!" to everyone out there - in
case I somehow managed to overlook you in my e-mail responses - who
helped me keep my spirits up last week when I almost lost my Jack
Russell Terrier, Watson, to a rattlesnake bite!  It was an awful time
made bearable by the prayers and good wishes of many of you.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Julie
~Cousin~Wielder of the Rake of the Clan McGregor~Sometime
Valentine~Knightie~N&NPacker~Cousin of the Knight~Methos
Admirer~Solitary Medievalist
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:09:31 -0500
From:         Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject:      Re: How Nat found out about Nick

>     If memory serves, Nick (off-screen) whammied some Toronto PD bureaucrat
>into believing that he (Nick) was a transfer from another PD (Chicago?) and
>issuing him a badge and uniform, and entering him on the payroll.

When was this?  Was this in *Amateur Night*?  If it was, that wasn't
Toronto PD.  It was Chicago PD, some moons ago.  He was supposedly
transferring from Edinburgh.  Loved the accent!

>     Unfortunately, Nick forgot to make sure that his former records were
>entered into the computer.  This nearly blew his cover in a later episode.

I remember this, though, from *Hunters.*  I thought that Nick was just a
crazy loon for not clearing that up before anything like *that* happened.



Cathy
usleamys@u.......
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:05:49 -0400
From:         "Amy E. Antonucci" <shoikana@n.......>
Subject:      questions, questions, questions

I'm new to this mailing list, and to Forever Knight.  I just 'discovered' it
last week, and was hooked!  I can see why it has a following, and I already
mailed my letters trying to get it back on.

Ok, my questions:

 How 'allergic' is Nick to sunlight?  It seems he can be in a room where the
ambiant light is sunlight, but he can't stand one second of being outdoors
in the day.   I have a vague interest in vampires, and I know some sources
say that older vampires can stand the sun for short periods of time.  This
doesn't seem to apply to Nick...

 Also, I would *really* like to get the soundtrack..am I right in thinking
that it is out? I saw a web page that said it was due in February, but I
don't know if it meant last February or the next one.  A friend says it is
out, but I can't find it.  If it is out, could someone give me a hint as to
where to get it?

And, anyone know an ftp source that has the FK logo? Maybe even with the
skyline like in the title?

Um..I can't think of any more ?'s, but I'm sure I'll come up with some soon

Amy Antonucci
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 16:49:35 PDT
From:         "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Blood shortage in Ontario

Lynn Stapleton wrote:
>On tonight's CTV news, there was segment about how there was a severe lack
>of blood in the blood banks in Ontario. Most of the reductions is coming
>from a blood scare, and many are awaiting news from the Kreiger Inquiry on
>Canada's blood supply.


Sounds like it's time for an all out Ontario Blood Drive for the Knight!

Or who "new" is in town and on a donated blood rampage?

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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:04:56 PDT
From:         "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject:      Re: questions, questions, questions

I answered Amy's questions.  Gave her Crescendo address/store info &
pointed her to Jami's SOS-FK webpage for stuff.


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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 08:41:11 -0400
From:         Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject:      Question of the week

Hi!

First, I'd like to thank everyone who has answered last week's "Question of
the Week".  I received 17 answers, the most I ever got for a single
question.  Thanks!  Let's try to do even better with this one:  :-)

        --> Would *you* like to be a vampire?  Why or why not? <--

As always, please answer privately.  Answers I receive will appear on my web
page, so you can read them there.

Btw, my Forever Knight Web page is four months old *today*!  PARTY!!! :)

_________________________________________________________________________
Frederic Ferland                              |
mrhappy@m.......                               |    Error, no keyboard
http://www.mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm  |   press F1 to continue.
NatPacker & Perkulator (!)                    |
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:50:48 -0400
From:         Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Bricks

Personally, I think of it as

 Dumb as a brick, but you gotta love him.

Mary
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:49:38 -0400
From:         Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject:      Re: FK Dolls

In a message dated 96-06-28 10:21:48 EDT, you write:

>! I'd prefer specialty fashion dolls, sort of like the new Gone With the
>Wind Barbie
>and Ken.  Porcelain dolls aren't always easy to dress and undress, and
>they aren't even close to anatomically correct! (Nick and LC do *not* have
>mushy stuffed fabric middles, thank you!)

I'd like to see the high end porcelain dolls, they are like sculpture.  A
series of Janette through the centuries with all the appropriate hair  and
clothing and accessories. And a statue of Lucius the Roman General in toga no
less, wow I know just which shelf I'd put that one on. teeheehee

Mary
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:10:24 PDT
From:         "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject:      200 Responses!/Brought the pizza guy across!

Hi guys!

It's Saturday night, inputting survey responses, & thought I'd let you know
that I think we got 200 responses for the "Early Returns Analysis"  Thanks
to all who responded!  Keep them coming in!  It's not over yet.  Next goal
is a total of 500+ by Septmeber & 1000+ by end of 1996!  Keep sending in
your repsonses!

Inputs are taking longer than I thought, and a little real life is slowing
me down.  So, I probably won't have the analysis (stats only) ready to
publish till 7/8 (house guest coming to town, who needs my shoulder...
going through a divorce).

However, she WILL be brought across in the process.  (Imagining Nick/Ger
as her rebound guy!!!!)

OBFK:  I brought the pizza guy across! I'm cleaning/unpacking my house to
make way for my houseguest & a party I'm giving next Sat.  To help bribe
myself to get the boring stoff done, I was listing to the second half of
the FK CD, for the first time & the pizza guy comes to the door.  I think
it was the suite from AMPH playing in the background, on my professional
quality stereo (glad I got SOMETHING from years in radio), and the pizza
guy makes a remark something like "Hmm... sounds like a movie."  In
uncharacteristic (trust me) brashness, I said, "It's the soundtrack from
Forever Knight TV show."  He said he liked it alot, and as he turned to
go, I told him about the show being on SciFi Monday nights.
He's gonna watch!

Ah, all this and pizza too!

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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:16:54 -0500
From:         Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject:      Re: bricks

In the newly-built Olympic park in the center of Atlanta, the Olympic PTB
have been selling bricks to pave the walkways. You can have pretty much
whatever you want engraved on a brick (2 lines max) for posterity. I've
given serious thought to having "Nicholas de Brabant" engraved on one of
the bricks. Gives the phrase, "Nick is a brick" a whole new meaning! Think
TriStar could sue my tush for this?

Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera with an offbeat sense of humor
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:07:24 -0500
From:         Shane Winfield <thierry@w.......>
Subject:      Virtual Season

OK, I've been reading the stuff on the SPOILER list about a virtual
season.  (Yes, I'm a month behind in reading :>).  First off, I'm not a
writer.  I applaud those who have the ability to write, or those that
at least try.

1) I am on a few fanfic lists and it seems that most fanfic writers use
their own version of canon.  They decide who is and isn't involved in
the story.  In FK, they decide whether, in their story, Janette is
alive or dead.  Schanke and Cohen and Vachon etc., same thing.  I can
definitely see the possibility of hurt feelings when one person's story
is rejected in favor of another, etc.  But, and I don't mean to sound
cruel, that's the author's problem.  Anyone who submits a story for
this VS does so fully understanding that their story may not be
accepted.

2) If Tippi and whoever else want to do the Virtual Season thing, then
why shouldn't their committee decide who is alive and who is dead.
After all, writers who want to write a different version are free to do
so.  If Tippi et al decide that Janette is alive and Nat is rescued and
Nick is mortal or whatever, other writers are still free to write their
own version of what happened after LK, and in their version, Nat is
dead, Nick is still a vamp, and LaCroix has completely flipped his lid
and decided to be a mortal too.  Just because it isn't under the
"Virtual Season" header doesn't mean it's not a good story and it
doesn't mean that it won't get read.  On some of the other lists, a
group of people come up with an idea, a premise, they decide the basic
rules, and then other people write stories following those guidelines
and it's great.  I see this situation as being no different.  TJ,
Sorcha, and Tippi come up with a basic idea, the basic rules, and other
people write stories that fit those guidelines.

3) Someone mentioned that they feel other fiction will be pushed out of
the way and will be ignored, while the VS episodes are discussed at
length.  I see no reason for this to happen.  Just because I'm
discussing story A doesn't mean I can't also post my opinions on story
B. :)

I think this VS thing sounds like a wonderful idea.  I don't know how
much trouble it is to set up the topics like ADULT, VS, etc., but
perhaps if another group doesn't like what TJ and Co. come up with,
they can start up their own version of Season Four with another set of
writers and a new set of basic rules and premises.

As I understand it, none of the people interested in this VS have said
they want it become "canon" (After all, seems to me the people who
actually wrote the shows had the attitude of "Canon?  We don't need no
stinkin' canon!" :>) so those not interested in accepting it as what
would happen if there were a "real" 4th season are free not to.  And as
for the writers of the VS being hurt and offended by the critiques from
the general membership, yes I can understand that.  But isn't that true
of any writer.  I mean, say John Grisham writes a book and the readers
think it's a bomb.  I'm sure it hurts him but it doesn't stop him from
writing another.  And if the writers would rather not read the
critiques from the list membership, then skip over them, just as they
would a spoiler for show they hadn't seen yet or whatnot.  In this
case, when discussing a VS episode on the list, members should just put
something like VS:"The Title" or something and then the writer would
know to skip that part.

Cheers!
Shane
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:56:55 -0400
From:         Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject:      Re: bricks

At 09:16 PM 6/29/96 -0500, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
>In Olympic park in Atlanta <snip> I've given serious thought to having
>"Nicholas de Brabant" engraved on one of the bricks. Gives the phrase, "Nick
>is a brick" a whole new meaning! Think TriStar could sue my tush for this?

LOL! What a wonderful idea!
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:38:45 -0500
From:         Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes?

At 12:42 PM 6/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Contains "Francesca" spoiler:
>
>*
>
>*
>
>*
>
>*
>
>*
>
>*
>
>A good idea in principle, but my impression is that the knowledge a vampire
>gains from a person's blood is in the nature of a psychic link.  So the prey
>would have to be alive to transmit the information.  True, Francesca invites
>Nick to drink her gourmet blood out of a glass, so the two of them would not
>have been in direct contact with the victim, but still, the victim was alive
>when the blood was drawn.  That's how I see it -- blood from a dead body
>would be psychically "dead."

i thought in "francesca" she killed the musician by *first* a direct stab
in the heart ("to instantly stop the flow of blood") and then draining-
from the dead body__that's why what's-his-face the cross-dresser copied
what Francesca did in the previous life. so the blood drawn there was
probably still "dead"--then maybe it depends on how fresh it was, *and*--
something Francesca said, i don't remember--she would basically frenzy up
the victim-to-be first, so more colorful emotion would be present in his
blood *at the moment* he was killed. i don't quite remember all the details,
but i think that was it...
which means one could infer that, if a murder victim was suddenly killed
and didn't have time to build up a reaction beforehand, Nick (or any other
vamp) might not be able to discover exactly what happened.
uhhhh....i think....


-madhat
<cli7@s.......>
Not where I breathe,  but where I love,   I live
Not where I love,  but where I am,          I die.
-r.southwell
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:45:48 -0500
From:         Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject:      Re: questions, questions, questions

leslie already answered this, but i thought i'd reply anyway, shoot moi ;)


At 07:05 PM 6/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
> How 'allergic' is Nick to sunlight?  It seems he can be in a room where the
>ambiant light is sunlight, but he can't stand one second of being outdoors
>in the day.   I have a vague interest in vampires, and I know some sources
>say that older vampires can stand the sun for short periods of time.  This
>doesn't seem to apply to Nick...

direct sunlight, the really bright kind, seems to be the most destructive
from what i've seen. also, i've noticed in at least two cases where Nick
was fine outdoors (day) when he was in shadow, but in another case
where simply being outdoors was smoking. at first i thought it was UV
content--outdoors, regardless of shade, UV is much higher than indoors,
when even windows block out a good portion of the stuff. but that's
getting too much into it ;)

i've thus wondered how Nick would react to a really rainy day
sans a single sunbeam.. is it the sun? other sunly radiation? or simply the
time of day? (which sounds more gargoyles-y than vampish)

older vamp resistance? that's interesting . .
nah, we don't want to give them too much power. ;P

-mdht
<cli7@s.......>
Not where I breathe,  but where I love,   I live
Not where I love,  but where I am,          I die.
-r.southwell
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:03:00 -0400
From:         Pat Witham <catspaw@m.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS

Ann says:
>Catherine Disher gives very nice but slightly over-directed reaction shots,
>and he says that every drop of blood contains who you are, and that in

I apologize for being pedantic but Nigel said that he didn't direct Ger and
Cath in that scene at all. He had the camera roll and let them have at it.

Pat Witham (catspaww@m.......)
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**, K-nigget
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:30:18 -0800
From:         Preta <preta@e.......>
Subject:      Re: bricks

>In the newly-built Olympic park in the center of Atlanta, the Olympic PTB
>have been selling bricks to pave the walkways. You can have pretty much
>whatever you want engraved on a brick (2 lines max) for posterity. I've
>given serious thought to having "Nicholas de Brabant" engraved on one of
>the bricks. Gives the phrase, "Nick is a brick" a whole new meaning! Think
>TriStar could sue my tush for this?
>
>Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera with an offbeat sense of humor


        Go for it.  A name cannot be copyrighted.  Otherwise the Catholic
Church would have sued Madonna years ago.

Preta
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:44:46 -0400
From:         "Lisa J. Patnaude" <KnightKeep@a.......>
Subject:      CERK T-Shirts Still Available

Hi Everyone,

I just received from Ron the Enforcer an updated list of what is still
available in CERK T-Shirts.

     Medium - 2
     Large - 2
     XL - 5
     2XL - 1

These MUST be sold before Ron can put in the next order.  I will hold up the
2nd CERK order announcement until all the t-shirts have been sold.

The following is a teaser:  The 2nd order will contain a *NEW* CERK shirt.
 But I will not disclose what type of shirt until all t-shirts have been
sold!   :)

Lisa Patnaude

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<Just call me a Lady of the Knight...but say it with a smile>
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:16:25 EST
From:         Rebecca Burns <rburns@a.......>
Subject:      test

hi
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:18:39 -0700
From:         Abby <albrecht@s.......>
Subject:      War and Food

I was advised to mention this now, before more people get confused. I am
not a Knightie. I am not a fractioned Merc Knightie. I am not a fractioned
anything. (I don't believe in it.)

During the next War, and for the future, I am a Mercenary.

Clear? Good.

Ykybwtmfk when you harass the cook at the annual Greek Festival for 30
minutes just so you can try Souvlaki... <g>

abby -- Mercenary. Power is best!
albrecht@c.......   Down the hall  lR.I.P S:AAB & Forever Knight
eponymous2@a.......       Turn right!    lDDEB3, Duchovniks, NLEB, and more
                    http://www-scf.usc.edu/~albrecht
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:16:47 -0700
From:         Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@c.......>
Subject:      Re: questions, questions, questions

On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Amy E. Antonucci wrote:

>  How 'allergic' is Nick to sunlight?  It seems he can be in a room where the
> ambiant light is sunlight, but he can't stand one second of being outdoors
> in the day.   I have a vague interest in vampires, and I know some sources
> say that older vampires can stand the sun for short periods of time.  This
> doesn't seem to apply to Nick...

It appears that it's *direct* sunlight only that affects vampires--a
sunbeam, not simply ambient light.  I've no idea if a good mirror would
qualify...

It all comes down to the question of what it is about sunlight that
affects a vampire, and that's open.  UV?  Probably not, since some modern
lighting puts out some UV.  Whatever it is, it appears to be only in a
sunbeam (neutrinos?).

We've seen Nick dash across sunlit areas, smoldering, several times, even
dart out into the sunlight, briefly.

Older vampires may be able to take more than he because they are older...
or because he's sort of starving himself -- LaCroix more than once chides
Nick for his weak command of his powers; it's implied that he neglects
them, I think it's a combination of lack of human blood, lack of just
being a vampire, and partially lack of practice.
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Date:         Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:37:01 -0700
From:         "M. Bates" <queenbts@n.......>
Subject:      Re FKLIST-L/Order vs. Local Purchase of CD

Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:46:37 -0400 Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......> wrote:

>It might be a good idea to not order direct from GNP Crescendo.  If you can
>hold out and keep bugging your local record store you create more interest
,[snip >to please ListMommy]   It would look bad for FK if stores did
>finally bring in product and thencouldn't sell it.

I agree in theory for sure, but, jeezzz, as *good* as the CD is, it's kinda
like asking Nick, in the weakest of moments, to only  *sip*.  How about if
we keep calling the stores to ask if they have it, even though we
(translate:  me, unable to wait) ordered it from Crescendo already?


Melanie Bates

Die-Hard, N&N Packer/ Knightie, Vaquera/ L. Cousin, Az Crusaders;  Suffering
Eternally from Gerus Cancellatus: "Well, you never get used to it - And when
it doesn't make sense, when there's no reason. It should never have happened
Gone without an explanation.  So what do we do? The only thing we can do:
chalk it up to Voodoo."
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:47:38 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Last Reminder: FK Fave Episode Survey!

Yes, I _am_ posting about this once again, for the very last time, one final
reminder:  The FK favourite episode survey ends on July 1st -- I will be
accepting votes up until midnight, July 2nd (you know, the midnight that
borders the 1st and the 2nd).

So, for those of you who haven't voted, c'mon, what have you got to lose?

Please email me and let me know:

1) One fave ep for each of the three seasons (two parters count as one)

2) One least fave ep of all

3) Your reasons for your choices


And once again, I remind you that if you have a friend off-line who likes FK,
or if you have an online friend who doesn't subscribe to this list, feel free
to tell me their choices or to have them send me a ballot.

Ann
iocaste@a.......
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:46:52 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS

I accused CD of being over-directed in Fran, and Pat wrote:
I apologize for being pedantic but Nigel said that he didn't direct Ger and
Cath in that scene at all. He had the camera roll and let them have at it.

My response:
I stand corrected.  But my assessment stands in the sense that CD was, I
think, a little too aware of her own performance -- usually that stems from
over-direction.  In this case, I suppose it was an over-*inner*-direction.


Ann
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:34:48 +6
From:         Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject:      It's a little thing

I've taken to wearing one of my FK t-shirts every Saturday (other days
too, but especially Saturday).  Saturday is the night when FK is on here
in Ft Myers.

Inevitably someone asks me about the shirt (the "official" shirt and the
Raven shirt seem to elicit the most comments).  This gives me the chance
to proselytize a bit.  I've introduced several people to the show, and
helped a number of others who had lost track of when and where to find it.

It's a little thing, and I rarely get a chance to follow up, but little
things add up.

I have heard back from one of the cashiers at the local 7-11 and a deputy
county clerk.  Both of them were very enthusiastic about the show...after
only one episode!

Don Fasig     ---,-<@
phase3@g.......
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:07:10 -0400
From:         Mei Wa Kwong <kwongm@g.......>
Subject:      Fiction

I posted part 5 of "Save the Last Dance for Me" on Thursday, and it hasn't
dropped in my mailbox.  Has anyone received it?  Or is the server doing
weird things again?
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:04:47 -0500
From:         Crystal Guffey <guffeyc@c.......>
Subject:      Encouraging news on the CD...


Went to Sam Goody's in Knoxville and asked for the cd. The salesperson said
that he had been trying and trying to get the cd, but that stock is running
low. He told me to keep checking back and he hoped to have it in soon! Seems
to me that somebody better get in there and make some more to sell, huh?????
:) :) :)
--
Crystal, a Vaquera
guffeyc@c....... // guffeyc@t.......
He stood there, like a regular guy, in a circle of friends...
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