File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606D" Part 16 TOPICS: Ger in a new series Games Vampires Play Need FKFIC-L Info website stuff Nick and Nat and Janette, The Fix & other stuff (slight AtA Spoiler) (3) Holy water Good and Evil Discussion Dragon*Con '96. The hamsters are at it again... Follow the bouncing e-mail message... The Fix & other stuff Possible spoiler: Games Vampires Play Help, please (2) Spoiler: Night in question LaCroix not pre-Christian Ger: Syracuse (2) A message for Gerthering-goers love without sex, Nick & Nat Shore Leave 10 points, or A Night In The Life of a Knightie Hamsters & Dragon Con ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:58:35 -0400 From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......> Subject: Ger in a new series I was just re-watching part of "Boys from Syracuse" today, and I've definitely decided that whatever new series Ger might work in, he should *definitely* wear a toga in it. <bg> For the Syracuse deprived, this is a musical (based on Shakespeare's "Comedy of Errors") that Ger played in at Stratford some years ago. It involves togas and a fair amount of dancing around. I have no idea what actually happens in this play because I was too busy playing with the freeze frame button on my remote control. <g> (I cannot say more, this is a family list!) And since I know someone is bound to ask, I seriously doubt that my copy (provided by a generous friend!) would stand another round of dubbing. At some point it might be offered by the GWD Fan Club again; hopefully those copies will be better! ObFK: Hey, Syndicon East people, am I remembering correctly when I say that Nigel admitted it was his idea to show some leg in his toga scene in AMPH? ;^) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Allison Percy, Knightie & believer in togas percy91@w....... __o Pedal for Forever Knight! Support the charity bike tour! _`\<,_ E-mail me to find out how to donate and/or join the ride. (*)/ (*) http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:07:33 -0700 From: Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......> Subject: Games Vampires Play I want to play too! Can I? Can I? I promise to not bite. Much. ;) Spoiler space if it's necessary- not sure. * * * * * * * * I got such a kick out of the way GWD said "clue". My roommate laughed at me because I kept getting a big goofy grin on my face evertime I heard "klew." :) So how did Nick get out of the church, if the sun was up? Did he really have to spend the entire day in a church? How uncomfortable. My roommate made a crack out of Nick giving a whole new meaning to the phrase "smoking jacket." Maybe Nick made a break for the caddy, and Tracy drove him home in the trunk. I wonder if the caddy's trunk could contain an exploding vampire? How would one explain that in the accident report? "I don't understand it, Captain. I was just driving along when Nick suddenly exploded." "Well, Tracy, it's really not in our jurisdiction any more. I've called the FBI about the incident, and Agents Mulder and Scully will be taking over. It's awful, what happened to the caddy, though." ;) -Jerimi--->paul9454@r....... Some people feel the rain; others just get wet. Vaquero, armed with a brush. Look out! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:13:43 -0500 From: Erin Friedman <efriedm1@m.......> Subject: Re: Need FKFIC-L Info At 01:15 PM 6/24/96 EST, you wrote: > Hi again! > > The server here at ECCS hiccuped and I lost ALL my Email from Thursday > June 20 - Sat June 22. I am mostly interested in knowing what FK > fiction got posted on those dates so I can either get them from the > author or from PSUVM. If anyone knows what got posted on those days > and can let me know so I can find what I'm missing, I'd REALLY > appreciate it! > I sent him this. =========================================================================== =========== Erin Friedman efriedm1@m....... Nick & Nat Packer home page- http:home.sprynet.com/sprynet/soulseek " In Love and Faith, There is Forever" Save FK- http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR If you want FK merchandise, contact Anne at TV_Showstuff@p......., and let her know, NOW!!! Or check out their web site at http://www.tvshowstuff.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:23:09 -0700 From: Rick Bleyle <papaya@i.......> Subject: website stuff Hey out there, I'm starting my first forever knight web site and I wanted to know what you guys (and gals) want/think I should put in it. I have no pictures but a lot of great links i need help on genral ideas!!! so far I have stuff about the war (the groups and where to go) and the logo's for the groups. I have SOS stuff but no pictures and I'm putting amys E-mail on there if I get it up in time while she's still doing all that sony stuff. and... that's pretty much it so you see why I need help! Thanking you all in advance, Kelley Bleyle Kelley Bleyle papaya@i....... "You may envy mortality but, never aspire to it." LaCriox in Last Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:53:59 +1000 From: Joanna Keenan <Joanna.Keenan@a.......> Subject: Re: Nick and Nat and Janette, Margie Hammet wrote: >OTOH, she left him after 97 years. Perhaps that's because she really wasn't >satisfied with what she was getting from him. Perhaps she didn't even really >know the source of her dissatisfaction. I've just seen this episode. While in conversation with Schanke, who has just left his wife, Jeanette says that she left Nick because she felt he was smothering her, that she couldn't stand the intensity of his love, that she wasn't used to it. She also says that she still loves him. Even if she didn't know her reasons when she left, she certainly feels 'now' that she knows what they were. Please don't take this as me comming down on one side of the argument about who Nick should be or is in love with. I just have a thing about accuracy. Joanna As pedantic as circumstances allow. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:57:30 -0400 From: Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......> Subject: Re: The Fix & other stuff (slight AtA Spoiler) In a message dated 96-06-23 06:17:43 EDT, Ann Lipton writes: << Aack ... doesn't anyone agree with me that on FK, merely the state of being a vampire means you're evil? >> Well, I think the problem is your supporting argument. That is, the fact that they are repelled by crosses. Not all on the list are Christian, and thus reject that argument out of hand. Others (like myself) who are Christian need more than a flat Cross-good/vampire-evil argument. We do have two arguments to draw from in the series (but I think, only two). In DoN, Alysse tells Nick that he cannot be with her, implying that she is in Heaven, but Nick will be condemned to Hell. I forget the details of the other (it's been mentioned several times lately), but an angelic being shows Nick his corrupt soul. I just thought of a third, which is at the end of AtA, where LaCroix theorizes that Nick's attempts at redemption allowed him to overcome the effects of Divia's attack. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to support your claim that all FK vampires are, by definition, evil, using only these three examples to support your case. You may freely make refer to Nick's (and Janette's, and Vachon's and Urs') Christian upbringing causin them guilt, but you may not apply it to LaCroix. Divia's implied immunity to the cross may be handled as you see fit. -- Ray Nat Vamp Camp Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the Knight! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:57:55 -0400 From: Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......> Subject: Re: Holy water In a message dated 96-06-23 03:18:59 EDT, Mr. Happy wrote: << I know that vampires in Forever Knight do not bear the sight of a cross, but what about holy water? Has it ever been mentioned on the show? What happens if a vampire gets in contact with holy water? >> I can only recall two eps where holy water played a part. One was Sons of Belial, where the priest sprinkles holy water on Nick as part of the Exorcism. It doesn't seem to affect Nick, but LaCroix flinches out of the way. The other was the episode with the vampire victim who "survived" and became a vampire hunter (Bad Blood?). A priest "healed" him by sprinkling holy water on the fang wounds. It apparently left a permanent scar. Can anyone think of any others? -- Ray Nat Vamp Camp I got my FK CD! I think I can use it to repel vampires! Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the Knight! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:04:18 +1000 From: Joanna Keenan <Joanna.Keenan@a.......> Subject: Re: *Good and Evil Discussion* J.S.Levin/Stormsinger wrote: >The New American Webster Dictionary defines "murder" as: (n)"homicide with >malice aforethought"; (v) "kill with premeditated malice" > >The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines "murder" as: >"the unlawful killing of one human being by another, especially with malice I __think__ that the people who compiled those dictionaries believe that Homo sapiens is the only species of intelligent beings on earth. :-) >A vampire killing solely for sustanance is -- as Nick is himself aware, in >his actions in protecting the Community -- somewhat *outside* the legal >definition of murder, both because of the argument that that vampire is >*not* a human being (in the clinical and psychological sense) and that the Do you think that if/when we ever come in contact with another intelligent species we'll have to rewrite our laws to include them? Or maybe we should just be able to kill them with impunity? :-) Joanna As pedantic as circumstances allow ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:09:46 -0400 From: The Phoenix <jap8@c.......> Subject: Dragon*Con '96. Guess what, boys and girls (and others in between), I was at Dragon*Con as well. I was a bit surprised at the FK stuff to be had (Yes, the CD was in major demand). There were also stills, and people who offered to buy my FK hat for a LOT of cash (I declined), as well as the occasional item for sale. I don't think if FK actually made any of the panels, but in all, it was a decent showing for FK (if not for the list's membership :). If anyone who was there wanted to know, I was in the Pern room a lot, tho I spent much of Friday in the hospital (passed out in the Peachtree Centre, how ignominious, but it wasn't from booze. Dunno why it happened, but anyways, I'm better now, no panic [Mom screamed over the phone when I told her, heh]). I recommend that the next time listmembers go to a con, we plan a meeting or something well ahead of schedule. :} Red. /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- The Tastiest Crayon, Her Royal Redness, Jaye the First, the Phoenix. jap8@c....... // http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/ Keeper of the Crayons, PMEB. /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:40:33 -0500 From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......> Subject: The hamsters are at it again... The Psuvm hamsters appear to be taking a break again. I sent parts 13 & 14 of 'Breaking Dawn' out yesterday June 23. I sent parts 15 & 16 out tonight June 24. I just got a note saying the part 15 has dropped but parts 13 & 14 haven't. My apologies. Earthlink appears to be having growing pains and my mail server is majorly messed up. I haven't any idea what parts have dropped or not. I have posted all of them throught part 16. I did send 13 and 14 through again, if the server at PSUVM has processed these the second posts will bounce back to me. I hope everything comes through okay, my goal is to have the complete story posted before I go to the Gerthering this weekend. Keep your fingers crossed. Cheers, -- Carrie, Proud Knightie The Nurse is a hampster I finally had some sense knocked into me and I have the bump to prove it! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:46:42 -0500 From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......> Subject: Follow the bouncing e-mail message... Okay guys, Parts 13 and 14 of 'Breaking Dawn' just bounced back to me because they have indeed been sent through the server at PSUVM. The hamsters may be a bit slow, but they are on the job. These parts should drop for you all shortly (well, within the next decade anyway), hang in there. <addressing another label to send more feed to the hamsters, sprinkling the feed with vitamins, including chocolate hamster treats> :)= -- Carrie, Proud Knightie The Nurse is a hampster I finally had some sense knocked into me and I have the bump to prove it! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:13:23 -0400 From: Melissa Puzio <miss68@p.......> Subject: Re: The Fix & other stuff Jane wrote: >Adult human beings may no longer be child human beings, but they are still >members of homo sapiens. IMNSHO, vampires are no longer physiologically >homo sapien. They are a separate species. They are predators whose prey is >human. Aren't they considered Homo Superior? I remember reading the X-men or something of the Ilk a long time ago and the mutants are considered Homo Superiors. If you don't belong to the vampirism as magic thing, you could say that they are also mutants. Just a little something to think about? And if I'm wrong, don't shoot me, I'm not a scientist :) Cousin Mel *NatVampCamp*Valentine*Chiante Drinking Member of the Thong Throng* *High Priestess of Jagrism at Temple Nedved* miss68@p......., Penchk68@a......., or CousinMel@p....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:35:01 -0800 From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......> Subject: Possible spoiler: Games Vampires Play S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R I hope I have created enough space to respect folks desire not to know. Someone commented on the episode "Games Vampires Play". The ending of this episode has always bothered me. Once again Nat is taking action, i.e. tossing the headset into the fire. Frankly, Nat ought to have handed it back to Nick with the statement, "No, you do what you want with it." Nick has to be responsible sometime. Alyx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 05:32:24 -0000 From: "anamchar@s......." <anamchar@s.......> Subject: Help, please Could someone please send me the commands for setting to No Mail and also for resumption of mail. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:06:27 -0400 From: Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......> Subject: Re: The Fix & other stuff (slight AtA Spoiler) In a message dated 96-06-23 06:17:43 EDT, Ann Lipton writes: << Aack ... doesn't anyone agree with me that on FK, merely the state of being a vampire means you're evil? >> Well, I think the problem is your supporting argument. That is, the fact that they are repelled by crosses. Not all on the list are Christian, and thus reject that argument out of hand. Others (like myself) who are Christian need more than a flat Cross-good/vampire-evil argument. You misunderstand -- I was arguing the crosses/evil thing in the context of the show. That is, my interpretation is that _on_ _the_ _show_ crosses are indeed a symbol of goodness. In For I Have Sinned, Nat asks Nick why crosses make him so uncomfortable. Nick's response: "Because they are a symbol of the one true light and we are creatures of darkness." Now, anyone is free to agree or not with that statement, but unless you want to interpret it as Nick's guilt talking (which is not unreasonable) then it seems that in the FK universe, crosses are indeed considered "good." After all, why else would LaCroix, who lived his mortal life long before Christ, be repelled by them? And then there are episodes like SoB, where even if bad people wield crosses for bad purposes, they _still_ repel vampires, which to me at least weakens the "it's only their guilt" argument. Now here's a question: (AtA spoilers to follow) Am I supposed to put in spoiler lines mid-post? Oy, I really need some instructions on spoiler etiquette for this group. Divia: She lived and was shut up in a tomb also before Christ was born, and then upon her release headed straight for LaCroix. Would she be repelled by crosses? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:00:48 EDT From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......> Subject: Spoiler: Night in question I can't remember whether or not this one is spoiler-protected, so I'm erring on the side of caution. Now, then. Actually, Alyssa in Night in Question didn't say that Nick would be condemned to hell. She didn't even say he'd never be in heaven. She just said that because of what he had been and done, he'd never be where she was. Since she was Alyssa von Linz, which is in Austria, and the ceremony was performed by a bishop, she's a Catholic of no later than the 16th c. So, she has a belief system that contains a number of levels of hell, purgatory and heaven. You know the expression "in seventh heaven"? The elaborate cosmology with the many levels is where it comes from. The 16th century reference is based on the costumes. Alyssa is simply saying that Nick won't reach her level, not that he can't enter heaven or will go to hell. There's always the possibility that Alyssa is wrong. She was certainly mistaken when she told Nick he would die that night. Although personally I think the ghosts were meant to be taken as "real," there's also another interpretation, which is that Alyssa was a figment of Nick's imagination, telling him what he would have expected to hear from her ghost. Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble." Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor Lisa McDavid mcdavid-lisa@s....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:12:16 -0400 From: Luz Funtowicz <funtowic@p.......> Subject: Re: The Fix & other stuff (slight AtA Spoiler) ><< Aack ... doesn't anyone agree with me that on FK, merely the state of >being a vampire means you're evil? >> > > Well, I think the problem is your supporting argument. That is, the >fact that they are repelled by crosses. Not all on the list are Christian, >and thus reject that argument out of hand. Others (like myself) who are >Christian need more than a flat Cross-good/vampire-evil argument. > cut > Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to support your claim >that all FK vampires are, by definition, evil, using only these three >examples to support your case. You may freely make refer to Nick's (and >Janette's, and Vachon's and Urs') Christian upbringing causin them guilt, but >you may not apply it to LaCroix. Divia's implied immunity to the cross may >be handled as you see fit. > This isn't an argument for all vampires being evil because of what they are, I don't believe that, but in one episode (maybe the asteroid one?) Nick enters a house and sees a menorah, he stares at it for several moments, before moving away. I've seen him give the same look to crosses (the ones that he doesn't touch) and I took it to mean that the menorah, and other religious symbols, would also burn him if he touched them. Since Nick isn't Jewish, that suggested to me that it wasn't a psychosomatic thing, or he wouldn't have been hurt by anything but Christian symbols. I know this is all supposition, as he didn't actually touch the menorah, but did anyone else notice this scene and take it the same way? Luciana ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:04:10 EDT From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......> Subject: LaCroix not pre-Christian Minor AtA spoiler at end. Ahm, actually, Lacroix and Divia *didn't* live before Christ. Divia was brought over shortly before the erruption of Vesuvius which buried Pompeii in 79 c.e. (aka A.D.) That's in the usual modern system, which counts from a year one which was supposedly the year in which Christ was born. (Supposedly because we know now that the calculation was out by about seven years.) Lacroix was brought over during the erruption. I can't imagine either Lacroix or Divia as a Christian. Anyway, this was during the Early Persecution period, but -- the archaeological evidence suggests that there were Christians in Pompeii at the time of the erruption. Of course they were already established in Rome. If you interpret FK's use of crosses as indicating some kind of inherent power in the symbol because of its Christian meaning, Lacroix and Divia *were* mortal in a period when they could have encountered this usage. The problem with this is that the earliest Christian iconography doesn't use the cross as a symbol. The fish (the Greek word for "fish" happens to make an acronym for the Greek phrase "Jesus Christ, Son of God") was the most common emblem. As far as I know, FK has never depicted Lacroix as being repelled by a fish, although this does have possibilities for the next war and Spike the Goldfish. <g> My guess as to why the cross works on Lacroix is that he's had centuries since Christianity adopted the cross as an emblem (after it had ceased to be a means of execution) to be conditioned like Pavlov's Dog. <evil grin> After centuries of being repelled by crosses because the Christians who had them *believed* they would work, he's probably responding reflexively. I can't remember Divia and a cross in AtA. My copy is out on loan so I can't check. If she was repelled by one, she might have picked up the reaction telepathically from Lacroix. It's also possible that since her master had lived into the Christian period, he had been conditioned to crosses and passed it on. Divia killed him some time between 79 c.e. and 20 years later when she told Lacroix what she had done. Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble." Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor Lisa McDavid mcdavid-lisa@s....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:34:00 PT From: Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......> Subject: Ger: Syracuse So, what does he wear under his toga Allison. Looked like bloomers to me. <vbg> The copy from the Fan Club isn't much clearer and has definate color problems (no, I cannot dub it, so don't ask). He has great knees though. Tami LaFrank : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a....... Ravenette, IB, MBDtK, McGregor (I am *NOT* a Bunny.), Mai Tai Mistress, BFP-QB : Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : "Come in, relax. We're dying Never play leapfrog with Unicorns : to prolong your life" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:50:31 +0000 From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......> Subject: A message for Gerthering-goers Hi, I'm not sure when you are all planning on leaving (I know Jamie's already left...) so I wanted to get this out before I missed a lot of you! I just wanted to wish everyone who's going a safe trip and a wonderful time! I wish I could be with you, but since that's not to be, I hope you all have an extra-great time on my behalf!! And, of course, I'm eagerly looking forward to the stories you'll be bringing back! Take care! Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t......., http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin/fk.html) Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess Save Forever Knight! For more info, e-mail me and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:53 -0400 From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......> Subject: Re: Help, please "anamchar@s......." <anamchar@s.......> said: > Could someone please send me the commands for setting to No Mail and also for > resumption of mail. Thank you. The Official Word on how to do stuff like this is at the FK Mailing List web site. The URL for which I have memorized since I wrote several (bad) poems about it. <g> http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FK.html If anything in there seems cryptic, you can also try a little page I put together based on some stuff I wrote during my brief stint as List Babysitter. Maybe the wording on this page will make a few things more clear: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/fklists I haven't written a poem about that URL yet, and the very idea makes me shudder. ;^) Webless people, when I'm around I'll be glad to e-mail you these instructions. But I'll be out from about Wednesday night through Tuesday morning because of a get-together with a bunch of my buddies. Oh, yeah, and there will be some guy named Ger there, too, I hear. ;^) (Anyone want to send embarrassing questions for Ger? I'm making a collection.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Allison Percy, Knightie etc. percy91@w....... __o Pedal for Forever Knight! Support the charity bike tour! _`\<,_ E-mail me to find out how to donate and/or join the ride. (*)/ (*) http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:16:02 +0000 From: Lisa <redjasper@e.......> Subject: Re: love without sex, Nick & Nat Toni Holm asked (sorry for paraphrasing--I'm really quite bad at hitting detete when I don't mean to...) if Nick&NatPackers could be satisfied with a romantic relationship without sex. My answer to that is yes, many people do "without" for many, many reasons, and so, I like to thin, could I, but it would be difficult. And it wouldn't be my first choice, by a long shot! ;) But if I found the one person that I loved more than I ever loved anyone else, and they were unable to function in that capacity, I like to think that our love could overcome physical limitations. There's more than one way to make love, obviously! ;) And that's a part, in my book, of taking someone for better or for worse. So maybe you'll say I'm a hopeless romantic, but I don't think so. I think it takes a rare amount of courage, strength, and love to overcome such a major roadblock in a relationship, and I have nothing but the highest admiration for those couples who do overcome it. Are Nick and Natalie true loves? Maybe, based on what we've seen on-screen. Maybe not, as well. I can and have been convinced to see it either way, although N&N are my own personal preference. For the record, I have always liked the Nick and Janette relationship, as well, in both the past and present, and although I do want to see Nick and Natalie overcome their problems together, during third season I missed the tension that Janette brought to the show. She really is essential to FK, and to Nick, both in the past and present. Not in the same way that Natalie is, of course, but they are both equally important to him for different reasons. I'd like to add an apology for pushing anyone's hot bottons by asking what draws you to Nick as a sympathetic character if you don't necessarily think he wants/should get mortality, if he doesn't love Nat, etc. It was an honest question, or so I thought. I didn't expect anyone to convince me one way or the other, I'm just curious. Got one really cool response via private mail, which has given me better insight into that POV, which I appreciate. I'm not a debater, which is why I usually steer very clear of these discussions, but I figured that now was a good time to ask something I'd always wondered about. I always thought it was a good thing to want to understand where someone else is coming from. I'll end my rambling by asking that everybody pick up a virtual nerf bat and bop the person to their left. Then bop the person to their right. Keep bopping until everyone realizes just how silly we look, and then we'll collapse in a giggly, embarrassed dogpile and go back to having fun. :) The show *is* ambiguous, which is part of what makes it so very cool. And I like a world where there is no One Correct Answer. But I still think it's an OK thing to ask people why they see things the way they do. Hope folks agree with me on that! Lisa W. * redjasper@e....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:13:43 -0400 From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......> Subject: Re: Ger: Syracuse Tami Lafrank said: > > So, what does he wear under his toga Allison. Looked like bloomers > to me. <vbg> <jotting this down on the list of embarrassing questions...> Tami, let's just say that I spent a lot of time studying this issue. <g> :^) Allison ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:38:02 EDT From: Lynne Levine <llevine@m.......> Subject: Shore Leave Speaking of cons...I'm planning to be at "Shore Leave" (Trek con near Baltimore) in July. Anyone else? Please contact me off list. It would be nice to have some kind of FK presence there (a room party perhaps, if someone can host?) Lynne Levine llevine@m....... Ravenette/Immortal Beloved (who loves ALL the characters in FK!) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:55:26 -0400 From: Ekaterina Baliasinskaya <ebaliasi@l.......> Subject: 10 points, or A Night In The Life of a Knightie I think I am finlally getting there... You know that something is terribly wrong when weird things start to happen.. In other words, you know you've gone Forever Nuts when... 1. .. they offer you a 10 hour night shift and you take it JUST TO KNOW HOW it feels like 2 .. you start working and realise this is what you've dreamed about all your life 3. .. at 3 o'clock in the morning you pass some newspaper rack and suddenly realise that you are staring point blank at the name "Vachon" written in blood-red across the cover of some ragged example of japanese comics art 4 .. it takes you couple of minutes to realise that it reads "Vacation"("Vaqetion" ?? blink..blink..), and that you've been hallucinating over the same thing for the past two weeks on the regular basis 5.. on the way home you pop into a grocery store, and under some ironic impulse pick up a box of REAL oatmeal (no matter that you hate it, you never eat it, and the only reminder of it can cause permanent damage to your nervous system) 6.. the only excuse your clouded mind can think about is "Daddy likes it". Don't mind that you haven't been living with your dad since high school, and that now he loves something so healthy and cholesterol-free that you can't even spell it. 7. .. you come home, slip into your room where all windows are tightly covered with black paper (after your tore off your at least 100 years old blinders in a desperate attempt to re-adjust them), only to find a note on the door. The note reads: " Natalie called at 5:30. Urgent. Call back" 8. .. trying to remember a)who the hell is Natalie; b) why she calls you at dawn; c) what was the terryfying nature of emergency that she forgot to leave her number (am I supposed to know it???..) 9.. go to sleep without solving the mystery. You still feel though that something is very .. very.. wrong . Only somewhere in a Dream Valley you finally recall that Natalie is in fact full name of your excentic kid sister, and "emergency" were probably your old jackboots you promised her long time ago 10.. you wake up with a terryfied cry that wakes up the whole building; you look at the clock: it's 10 pm. It's time to go to work again... This all really happened... This keeps happening.. Has someone been through similar experiences, or am I the only case of mild insanity??... p.s. sorry for the occupied space - had to get this off my chest! uff.. Katya ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:34:40 EST From: Ronni Katz <ronnik@c.......> Subject: Hamsters & Dragon Con Hi all! The ECCS hamsters are back on track <vbg>. Thanks to ALL of you great people who offered to send me what I lost. YOu never know how many nice people there are on the List until you have a problem and call for help :) Another DragonCon note: Found out what went wrong with my robot. The speed controller shorted out and fried itself (gosh, what an incredible smell I discovered!) and has to be replaced. Also have to redo the drive train because the traction kinda sucked. Have a preliminary redesign and it looks pretty cool. The housing (exterior) will be clear highly resiliant plastic that allows you to see into the innards of the machine. Inside will still be that heavy duty steel body that made Spike's body nearly indestructible! Spike Jr. (yeah, he's littler than the original, hence the name chance!) will be at Robot Wars in San Francisco in August. Anyone interested in info on that can Email me off-list OBFK: Sony has NO CLUE! There was, for a non-media Con, A LOT of FK merchandise at Dragon Con, more than I expected to find. The folks selling the CD ran out of stock by Sunday and they claimed they brought LOTS of copies! Just goes to show that Hollywood execs have no clue about what's going on in the real world.... Ron the Enforcer Die-Hard and Robot Warrior (featherweight division) =========================================================================
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