FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606A Part 14
June 6, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" Part 14
TOPICS:
Fleur-Boosting
Knightie Loop?
Writing to USA (4)
Help!
John K.
ASSORTED TOPICS
SOS-FK (History) LONG (2)
IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
SOS-FK
Seattle Area FK
Exams again
Nick is "Bonkers"
SOS-FK (History)/CD and FK stuff
McGregors & Bunnies (2)
Black Buddah 2 pics
Slumping -- part 1
SFC airing FK in order...
Top 10 List
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:38:14 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: Fleur-Boosting
Deborah Bender <DBendr@a.......> wrote:
> flatfooted attempt to straighten LC out because TPTB were nervous about
> having a (IMHO) bisexual lead character. <snip> I forgive TPTB,
> because the sparks between Nat and LaCroix in the restaurant made BMV
> worthwhile. But in my universe, the thing with Fleur never happened.
Luckily, we all have our own universes. :-)
In mine, everything that airs is canon, even if I don't like it. Luckily
for me, however, I adore the flashbacks of BMV. I know that no one
involved in making the episode particularly relished the experience, but
they did a marvelous job. If you ever want to swoon over LC, try the
scene where NB has him say, "It's a great irony, is it not, that such a
cold, still heart can feel such pain?"
I don't understand, however, how someone can embrace the Valentine
concept, and acknowledge Divia, and yet attempt to ignore LC's feelings
for Fleur. You can't avoid Fleur by simply ignoring BMV, you know. To
reject Fleur is to reject the symbolism of "Rosebud" in TG, the
significance of the dead rose LC carried in DoN, not to mention a
spoiler-protected scene or two. Since BMV, Fleur has become a presence in
FK, and deservedly so.
The very concept of Fleur intrigues me, not only for the dimension she
adds to LC's character, but for herself. We've been through this -- again
-- on fkspoilr recently (thank you, Apache) and I don't want to be
unnecessarily redundant. Everyone knows that I appreciate Fleur, and
everyone knows that the LC the Light Cousins like is the one that emerges
in situations like BMV.
But in case there is someone who is not included in "everyone" <g>, I want
to reiterate that there are those of us who believe that Nick's sister
Fleur -- intelligent, passionate, decisive, innocent and beautiful -- is
LC's True Love, that she is worthy of that love, and that LC has been
emotionally faithful to her for the eight centuries since he nobly gave
her up.
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
** Knightie *** Light Cousin *** Fleur-Booster **
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:49:25 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: Knightie Loop?
Among the things I lost when I moved and switched email addresses was the
identity of my affiliation's leaders and those who run the loop, such as
it is. Catherine? Perri? Allison? I've forgotten, I'm afraid, but Jaye
posted a war-related inquiry today, and I think it's time I connected....
BTW: can War 5 be accessed with lynx yet?
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
Secondary affiliations? Who? Me? :)
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:53:07 -0400
From: TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Writing to USA
John Folden wrote:
> I'd like
> to see FK aired in the order intended but obviously they'll draw
> bigger ratings if they air the newer *less exposed* episodes
> first.(That might be something to thank them for as, well - Let
And maybe we'll have a better chance of newbies avoiding some of
the more obvious clunkers (though a glance at the schedule shows
that's not COMPLETELY successful ...)
Besides, as has been pointed out in the continuity discussions, there
really isn't an "intended order" (with a couple of obvious exceptions).
---- TJ
---- TJ
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:48:30 -0300
From: "Leigh T. Johnston" <am496@c.......>
Subject: Help!
My mother has been listening to my sister and I talking about FK and
since she's a big vampire freak too she started watching the second
season eps on ATV (Halifax, NS station). She couldn't continue watching
because she said she was lost. She wants me to make up a synopsis (sp?)
of the characters and just what has gone on before she started watching
because she *really* wants to watch the show. My problem is that I
haven't seen about half the eps from first season and I've only seen
about two eps from second season. I need to know what happened to
Stonetree, how/why LC got "killed", and stuff like that. Could some kind
soul (if you're a Cousin I won't tell) e-mail me *off-list* to help me?
2. Was war declared and I missed it?!? How do I get involved in the war?
Do I need to be subbed on FKFic?
ObFK: Since I've never seen Miklos I won't comment on whether I think
he's a vampire or not. I do, however, think that LC is a multifaceted
character so I very much believe that he was in love with Fleur and that
she's his one *true* love to this day. Sex can happen without love, and I
don't think LC has deprived himself of this pleasure through the
centuries but I have seen no evidence (in my limited ep knowledge) that
he has ever loved another like he loved Fleur.
...um... does that keep me out of trouble with the List Mommy?
- Leigh (Ghoti)
**Immortal Beloved - Merc - Valentine**
**Bunny of MacGregor**
**Mama to Denis (10 June 1994)**
am496@c.......
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:21:38 -0400
From: Bast Khemet <bast@c.......>
Subject: Re: John K.
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Antonia Spadafina wrote:
> Hi all--
> I've seen GWD and NB in other venues, but has JK done anything
> recently?
Well, he had a minor role in "The Craft," that movie about witches. (Not
completely accurate! It's Hollywood's version of witches...)
--Bast
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:59:24 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: ASSORTED TOPICS
Amy R. writes:
>do we know of *any* of Nick's children who aren't dead
Serena from second season's Baby, Baby.
Lisa McDavid writes:
>He was shown watching her (Alexandra) wake with a very guilty
>conscience in spite of LaCroix's attempt to talk him out of it.
That's not so. LC and Nick were shown watching Alexandra being laid
out before her burial. Nick felt guilty, but LC noticed something
more in him: fear. He goes on to tell Nick that he shouldn't fear
her revenge because she can't come back. I took LC's remarks as him
reassuring Nick that there would be no "vengeful spirit" out to get
him.
I don't think Nick knew that Alexandra had been brought over by LC.
Nick thought she was dead when he left her; LC found she still had a
spark of life left in her and brought her over. But it seems clear
from the present day events that Nick didn't know she had been brought
over. He even mentions to Nat that he was so "spooked" by what had
happened with Stonetree shooting that kid and being "haunted" by the
memory, that he's been seeing "ghosts" himself. He certainly looked
surprised to see Alexandra once they *did* meet up.
RE: Miklos and the cross. Cynthia Hoffman said the Bad Blood scene
was a screwup and I tend to agree. It's a good example of the show
not having someone keeping a good eye on continuity. However, since
the episodes as shown should be what constitutes "canon", we have to
explain why Miklos would not be affected by a cross. Either he is
not a vampire or there is another reason why a cross would not affect
him (and some people have already postulated some reasons). But, and
I should add that it's been a while since I watched Bad Blood, it
seemed to me that O'Neill didn't actually *touch* Miklos with the
cross (although he tried). No touching, no burning of skin. And
Miklos might have been an old enough vampire to not "shy away" from a
cross being held up to him.
RE: SOS efforts
Sharon Himmanen writes:
>She is a *huge* fan...seemed to think the show and the characters
>were a lost cause.
This is, imo, a real concern that we must deal with in SOS efforts.
How many fans who don't have computer access, fans who've enjoyed the
show despite knowing little or nothing about the SOS efforts, have
looked at the last few episodes and decided that the show has *ended*
and *cannot* go on because of things that appeared to happen to many
of the show's characters? Some people have to have viewed the last
couple of episodes as being very *final* (if you know what I mean
without me getting into mentioning any specific spoilers). Some
people may not have seen any "ambiguities" and have just written the
show off as "over". How do we reach such people?
Imo, what needs to be done is to alter any flyers to point out that
there are "ambiguities" and to stress that the campaign to SOS is
currently focusing on getting a TV movie(s) on USA and that the show
is being aired and supported by SFC. Opinions? I think we need to
really get the word out, especially to non-net fans, that the show
isn't *over*.
RE: Nat's birthday of April 14th. I agree that it should be in June.
But has anyone considered that April 14th might be *Catherine Disher's*
birthday (anyone know?) and that's why it was used?
RE: LC's return in Killer Instinct. Actually, we see him "alive" at
the end of the last episode of first season, Love You to Death.
RE: Spoiler protected episodes. The spoiler list will be no more as
of Monday. So what do we do if we want to discuss spoiler protected
episodes (those five or seven or whatever eps that haven't been
repeated yet in either syndication or on SFC)? Just put SPOILER:
Name of Ep in the subject line? Add "spoiler space" too? Jamie,
Jaye, what's going to be the policy for this?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:56:20 PDT
From: "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject: Re: SOS-FK (History) LONG
Laurie Fenster wrote w/a very nice, long detailed FK fan history:
>For the benefit of those who came in lately I think it's important...
>that folks get some of the history... so they know what worked, what
>didn't, and where things stand now.
Thank you Laurie, for the details, the facts, the results, and
perspective. Thanks to all others who posted about the efforts thus far.
Thanks to all mentioned & intended in Laurie's message for all the hard
work put forth for FK. I am grateful for being able to enjoy the
benefits of your hard work's results. We got a third season & reruns on
SciFi. I got to discover the lists, the home pages, the FK Fen, the
fiction, the addiction, and the bags under my eyes (which twinkle
anyway because of FK!).
Because of those who came before me, I get to enjoy the international
swap meet of tapes, scripts, jokes, shared tears, beta reading, & life
relvations (oh, yes, some of those too!), and more.
As for my "... If we MAKE it HAPPEN" posting, yesterday...
I meant not to step on ANYONE's toes. I have a very mere, humble & yet
highly appreciative glimmer of the wonderful, original, extremely
committed & exhausting activities, efforts, & results achieved from
those back when cancellation was first announced (and before... after
all someone(s) brought back a 2nd season, too!) This year, those who
came before us made the rest of 3rd season possible. I will love y'all
"Forever" for that alone!
I hope my "SO WHAT" list referred to, gave homage to, & brought attention
to all those who came before us, for the benefit & appreciation of other
newbies. It certainly was intended to do just that & to inspire ANY &
ALL to keep it up, to get involved, & not to quit.
It's just when I read John's Folden's message & heard of FK virgins
(whose first night was Last Knight!) calling USA & getting the "bad"
news, action was required to stem a tide of "Oh well, guess that's that"
conclusions from potentially "FORMER" FK fans..
I have the staying power, but not the experience, yet, of the best in
the FK coordinated efforts, and am happy to see Laurie's & other's
histories.
I enjoy hearing from, learning about, cheering on, & having the
opportunity to thank those who've achieved so much in FK-ness. After
reading Laurie's message, I can appreciate the low, & slowly recovering,
energy levels of those who did all the Winter'96 work.
But, if you (who did all this) are up to it, We (the new crop) need to
hear from you, get to know you, be able to thank you, learn from you &
do OUR parts, pay OUR dues, & keep this "steamroller" moving along
until the war is won.
THANKS AGAIN! I needed that...
Leslie
***FOREVER MEANS... FOREVER!!!***
N&NPacker/Knightie: An FK (Anything New; Whatever it Takes!) sort of gal
Have you sent in your FK survey? (Due 6/26/96) Email for a copy. Hand it out!
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:15:35 -0500
From: "[M A Martin]" <mmartin@b.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
Cousin Jamie mentioned the usefulness of a cable TV ad. I think it is a
great idea but I don't have any spare time these days. However, I will
point out that our local cable company (Comcast) has an ad that says 30
seconds of advertising on comcast only costs $65. So, the idea is not
*totally* out of question. (Of course, I don't know when/where that ad
would be placed, but even so..) If someone does make an ad, I will
volunteer my time to coordinate getting it on the air here.
Meg (mmartin@b.......)
"Failure is not an option. It is just a nagging possibility that
helps me stay focused." Yeah, right...
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:33:00 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: SOS-FK
If anyone wants a copy of the introductory letter that goes outto all people
that ask to added to the SOS-FK mail loop, please let me know.
It will give you a list of web pages, such as Jamie's (Bless you oh Goddess)
and Karen's (Who worked very hard and did a great job) and lots of other
"stuff" like the SFC address and TriStar etc.
The campaign isn't dying...if the new inductees to the loop are any sign, I
have been swamped!
And none of this would have been possible without all the wonderful people
on this list. And..actually, the fact that there are so many of you here
now, that have no idea of what went on just a few months ago is another
great sign that the fandom is still growing!
Annmarie
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:02:15 -0700
From: "Talkovic, Jeannine" <talkjm1@a.......>
Subject: Re: Seattle Area FK
Amy (akr@n.......) wrote:
>weekend. A sporting event of some sort has pushed everything back so far
>that Voyager, which usually airs at 8 pm, is airing in FK's 1 am slot.
I just spoke with a very nice gentleman in KIRO's programming department. He
said the episode will air as usual at 1:00am. I, of course, took the
opportunity to thank them for continuing to broadcast the repeats all summer.
:-)
Jeannine, vaquera
talkjm1@a.......
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:40:41 +1000
From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......>
Subject: Exams again
Hieveryone i have another exam today please could you wish me luck cos it
worked last time
i watched every episode of FK that i own yes all 6 of them and it should
help me with he functions of blood
ok it clotts up a hole, it protects from disease
it um tastes nice, wait a minute where did i get that from!!!
i wonder
was it Nick????? Nah Janette of course!!!!
from
Janettes very stressed Fangs
Mary
md.young@s.......
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:53:48 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: Nick is "Bonkers"
YKYBWTMFKW....
My little brother is upstairs watching the Disney cartoon _Bonkers_, and
as I walked past, it suddenly dawned on me that Bonkers is Nick! :-)
For those of you who don't exceed the recommended daily allowance of
cartoons, Bonkers is a bobcat toon, who has given up being an actor -- the
normal occupation of a toon -- and become a policeman. Very few toons
work in the human world. Bonkers's first partner is a balding, slightly
overweight man who is married and has one daughter. At some point, this
changes, and Bonkers is teamed instead with a blond and perky young female
officer. Really! :-)
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
** Knightie *** Light Cousin *** Fleur-Booster **
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:58:49 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Writing to USA
> From: "TJ Goldstein" <vanguard@p.......>
> And maybe we'll have a better chance of newbies avoiding some of
> the more obvious clunkers (though a glance at the schedule shows
> that's not COMPLETELY successful ...)
True! Although, sadly they'll have to wait longer for MBIAV, NIQ, SOB
and Fever(unless of course, they're fans who were already watching on
USA).
> Besides, as has been pointed out in the continuity discussions, there
> really isn't an "intended order" (with a couple of obvious exceptions).
True...I guess you just get used to seeing them a certain way...
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:35:52 -0700
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <lizbet@m.......>
Subject: Re: SOS-FK (History)/CD and FK stuff
At 8:33 AM 6/06/96, LC Fenster wrote:
[sniping marvelous description of all the hard work that went into the
SOS-FK campaign and for which we are all truly grateful]
>And BUY the CD! [snip] We've been trying to prove to TPTB
>for ages that there is a market for FK stuff [snip]. Possibly if
>the sales are impressive enough, they might just revisit the
>merchandise question.
I have been twice to the physical location of Crescendo Records to buy
copies of the CD and was told by the very nice people there that they are
absolutely flabergasted by how popular it is. One lady started asking me
about the music, was it any good (YESYESYESYESYES!!! Thank you, Mr.
Mollin!!!) and then about the show, what was it about, etc.
Next time you have a party, even for non-FK people (if there are any in
your circle which you have not managed to bring across yet) put on the CD.
I will bet people will start asking about the music. I've had mine for two
months, and it is permanently embedded in my CD player. :)
And speaking of the CD, if anyone (Marcia?) needs help typing up the lyrics
to The Hunger, Black Rose, Touch the Night and Dark Side of the Glass, I
humbly offer my services. I think I have most of the words from all but
Touch the Night and would only need clarification of a few phrases.
Lizbet ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild
lizbet@m....... ~~ Lizbetann@a....... ~~ Ravenette of the New Order ~
Cleopatra ~ Knightie/NatPacker/N&NPacker with Cousinly tendencies and the
faintest of leanings toward Vanquera-ism ~~ Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw ~~
Listowner, Middle Ages Life ~~ http://members.aol.com/Lizbetann/mypage.html
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:38:06 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: McGregors & Bunnies
The McGregors & Bunnies (our little affiliation dedicated to hearing Nigel
read _Peter Rabbit_ as an audiobook) are now handing out titles. No
elections, of course, that would be too organized! Here's the list I have
so far of declared affiliation members -- sorry if I left anyone out.
Feel free to e-mail me off-list at <percy91@w.......> to join the
Clan McGregor or give yourself a job title.
List of Declared Bunnies or members of the clan McGregor:
Chief Bunny:
Allison <percy91@w.......>
Wielder of the Rake:
Julie <KnightGal@a.......>
I Am Not Bunny (is this a real title??):
Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Head of Cabbage Thievery:
Catherine <offline fan>
Vice President in Charge of Carrot Crunching:
Quinn <ocaoin@e.......>
Miscellaneous Bunnies & McGregors (e-mail me with your desired job title!)
Suzanne Marie Campagna <Suzecamp@i.......>
Annmarie <mickey@c.......>
Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......>
Heather <HEP2708@a.......>
Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Angie <alasher@e.......>
Melissa Taylor <cn1015@c.......>
Carla Pickering <carlap@e.......>
Ann-Lu <ann-lu@i.......>
Job titles still open:
Senior Blackberry Gatherer
Assistant Gate-Squeezer
Nibbler of the Radishes
Any other ideas?
BTW, in case you're wondering what the heirarchy of all these titles is,
let me just say, "Heirarchy? We don't need no stinkin' heirarchy!" ;^)
Join now! All you have to do is buy a copy of _Peter Rabbit_ and then put
some variation of "McGregor" or "Bunny" in your signature. And of course
if you have any connections in the audiobook recording industry... let us
know! <grin>
ObPeterRabbitQuote: "After a time he began to wander around, going
lippety-- lippety-- not very fast, and looking all around."
ObFK: What does all this have to do with FK? Um... let's see... maybe if
Beatrix Potter's books had been around in 1228, Nick would have known to
watch out for white-haired men chasing after him. (Although Mr. McGregor
wielded a rake, not fangs!) <g>
~~~ Allison ~~ percy91@w....... ~~ Knightie ~~ Chief Bunny ~~~
~ Visit the McGregor Page! See the warm, fuzzy side of Nigel Bennett ~
~~~~ http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/syndicon/rabbit.html ~~~~
~~ SOS-FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html ~~~
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:40:12 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Writing to USA
John Folden writes:
>jump over several episodes and start airing shows from the second
>half of the season. Obviously they realize what they've got in
>front of them and seem to be marketing it rather well.
Hate to disabuse you, but SFC is airing the episodes that are going
out to the syndicated stations that are still running FK. These
syndicated stations have contracts allowing them to run FK until
September, I believe. Anyway, the satellite broadcast that the
syndicated stations download for their weekly showing is the same one
that SFC is downloading (syndication still gets to air the ep before
SFC, just like they got to air the eps before USA). So it's whoever
is in charge of sending out the satellite broadcasts that is
determining how FK is currently being marketed.
This will change once the syndicated stations' contracts are up, of
course. And when SFC starts running the first two seasons in 1997,
they intend to run them in the original broadcast order (last I heard).
Has anyone heard what they intend to do with the third season airing
order after the syndicated broadcasting has ended in September? There
will be at least three months of weekly programming to fill. Will SFC
choose which episodes they want to air in that time (anyone know?)?
Personally, I wish they would start with FK's first season in September
and bill it as part of a new fall series lineup or something. But
they've said they won't start airing the first two seasons until 1997.
>I'd like to see FK aired in the order intended
Which puts after Black Buddha a couple of the less gripping episodes
that focused on Tracy on. Actually, there is no real airing order
supposedly, although I would think it would make sense to air the
last three episodes of this season in the order they were broadcast in.
But SFC seems interested in trying to air the episodes in their
original broadcast order and really, there are *trends* that are
observable in second season and particularly in third season that are
apparent in the ordering of the aired episodes (despite any claims
TPTB make that the eps can be shown in *any* order in those seasons).
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
PS--What's all this about a War? I didn't see any notice from Jaye
about another War in the works.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:46:32 -0700
From: Dee Davidson <dmd@a.......>
Subject: Black Buddah 2 pics
Hi all!
Wanted to let everyone know that the pictures from BB2 are up(no USA logo
this time:)). I only put up about half of them, the rest will go on the net
later. If you missed the BB1 pics they are still up, you can get them off
the same page.
http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/fkpics.html
Enjoy!
Dee * Cousin * Valentine * Diviant * TEDT *
(and a few other choice words:))
-IRC Repellent and all around pain in the a**
dmd@a....... http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:09:11 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: SOS-FK (History) LONG
> From: "LC Fenster" <lucienlc@i.......>
> final 9 episodes. Everyone in the industry went off to celebrate the
> holidays, while we here on the lists spent the two holiday weeks
> getting mobilized, strategizing, and preparing to hit TPTB upon
> their return on January 2 with a barrage of mail, telegrams, faxes,
I always looked upon this early effort in total awe... :)
I had never seen or read about a group of fans that were motivated SOO
quickly in a situation like this and I can only begin to imagine the
bulk of mail that awaited these people when they returned to work.
> reposted shortly). Jamie created the wonderful SOS-FK Webpage, and
Incredible page!! Once again I had never witnessed anything so utterly
useful and organized so quickly...That page inspired me quite a bit
in the beginning, even got me off my soap box long enough to write
a few letters...(received a rather nice and supportive letter from WBNS-TV
in Columbus, Ohio, too!)
> laptops to dial in. The whole effort culminated in a meeting
> between the NATPE 7 and TriStar.
What was TS's attitude towards our efforts to save the show? and more
importantly towards the NATPE 7's presence at the convention?
> (If anyone wants more specifics about the NATPE side of this, there
> were several long posts done at the time, and I or someone else
> (Diane E. or Dianne T. deSha or Toni Holm) can probably dig them
> up.)
I wouldn't mind seeing this if it's not a major problem for anyone...
> When all this broke, up to three separate entities approached TS,
> trying to buy FK from them. TS refused to sell. They had told their
> parent SONY that the show was worthless, had no audience, etc. If
> they could sell it to someone, obviously that wasn't true. Worse,
My question (perhaps dumb) is what was SONY's stance during all this?
Obviously, they would have been a target of mail, and known about
fan efforts, NATPE 7, etc... They would have known about
the purchase offers....and TS's refusal to sell...If they weren't making
money on the show, and weren't going to continue it...Wouldn't they want to
at least get money from the sale of FK? This whole bit is just incredibly
dumb from a business standpoint. Also, have the three prospective buyers
ever been publicly identified?
> >I don't really have a point except to agree that the SOS-FK campaign
> >seems to have really stalled...
> Those of us who were deeply involved on a daily basis in the SOS-FK
> campaign for the six-seven weeks up to NATPE came out of the effort
> totally TOTALLY drained. Exhausted beyond belief. Even now, we're
That's certainly understandable...but I believe this is where the newbies
come in....It's becoming apparent that a lot of new fans have joined or
want to join in on the effort and there's an incredible amount of info
to be gained by listening to the "original group". I still believe our
recent discussions on contacting the media (EW, TV Guide, etc...) are
very valid and worthwhile ideas...Obviously, a large group of us has
written to several of these companies but has there ever been an
organized plan, such as was recently mentioned, where we would pick
one media company per month(or whatever time frame) and grab their
attention? I'd rather see 800 people writing to ONE company at
a time rather than having 800 different people writing to
a random choice of their own...It would certainly prove to be
more impressive to the targeted company.
> going to need that energy down the road. (We have also been given
> to understand, from industry sources, that nothing can possibly
> happen for at least 12 months, but afterwards ...)
Is there a reason for this? Obviously there is...but I can't think
of it on my own...The fact that it's a syndicated show tends to make
me believe that scheduling would be more flexible, if nothing else.
On network TV most shows either show up at the beginning or as a mid-season
replacement but are syndicated shows restricted to this type of activity?
I would also think that since most syndicated stations have decided to
continue showing FK(if only in reruns) that it would be easier to convince
them to air a 4th season. Once FK is removed from the schedules would it
not be more difficult to gain their acceptance?
> write letters to sponsors, to their local affiliates, to TriStar,
> to SONY, to the SFC, expressing support for FK and asking for a
> fourth season or tv movie (we're not going to get the fourth season,
> but we *might* some day get the movie). Everyone should try to write
Why would we NOT get a 4th season? I've seen this mentioned by a couple
people now but is there a fact I'm missing, or is it simply
a statement based on probability due to financial considerations, etc..
by the producing company?
I am deeply grateful, and thankful for the "original efforts" which
helped provide us with the rest of 3rd season. This really is an amazing
group of people...
As I'm finishing this I just noticed that dear, sweet Leslie has posted
an incredibly good message herself(she tends to have a wonderful way with
words) and has expressed a lot of things in ways much better than I could
probably hope to do..but do feel. So when you read her post, think of me
as well! :)
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:13:28 -0400
From: Bast Khemet <bast@c.......>
Subject: Re: McGregors & Bunnies
Sorry, I have to ask, I missed the explanation. Who/what are the
McGregors and the Bunnies?
--Bast
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:12:05 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Slumping -- part 1
> From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
> This is about the recent past and future of our effort to save FK.
> Delete now if it doesn't interest you.
> Thanks
Just wanted to say "THANKS" for a very well thought out and clear post.
It provided me with answers to questions that had been bugging me for
several months and that no one else had managed to provide an acceptable
answer for, so far... It also comforts me with the knowledge that most
of my wishes and continued participation in the effort are pretty much
compatible with what most of you had already decided earlier in the year.
It's just a shame, I didn't find this incredible group of people sooner!
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:37:55 -0400
From: cyndi knecht <cknecht@s.......>
Subject: SFC airing FK in order...
Sandra mentioned that SFC plans to show the first and second
seasons of FK in order. My question is - have they figured it
out yet? A couple months ago they were asking the fans to
let them know the order! <g> Off to phone Crescendo - need
4 more FK audiocassettes! Cyndi <cknecht@s.......>
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:41:52 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Writing to USA
> From: "Sandra Gray" <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
> that SFC is downloading (syndication still gets to air the ep before
> SFC, just like they got to air the eps before USA). So it's whoever
> is in charge of sending out the satellite broadcasts that is
> determining how FK is currently being marketed.
Well, I knew that's how it was for the syndies but didn't know if
SFC had to follow the same airing schedule or not... I suppose it's
too much to hope that TPTB are actually getting a clew how to market
so late in the game?
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:46:38 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Top 10 List
Hey people!! You can blame Tippi for inspiring this list, and my mom for
gettin' me on the FK list!
If you think this really sucks, be kind--I'm only a Jr High Schooler.
Tia
Natpacker
Nick/Natpacker
Cousin of the Knight
Knightie
Merc (I love chocolate & why limit yourself!)
THE TOP TEN THINGS TRACY WON'T SAY ANYTIME SOON
10. My hair is so hard to style.
9. I took the Lieutenant's exam and placed in the top ten!
8. I could be the next Vanna White
7. E=MC2 (I meant square)
6. I'm eloping with Screed!!
5. Daddy, I need your help!
4. Vachon, would you mind biting somewhere else tonight?
3. I think your friend LaCroix is real neat guy! Maybe he would like to
watch the Sound of Music' with me!!
2. My dad really got me this job, you know. (under Nick's breath we can
hear him say "Yes. We ALL know.")
1. Wow Nick, you're a vampire
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