FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606A Part 7
June 4, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" Part 7
TOPICS:
Beginning of the Code :) (2)
NatPack birthdays (2)
LaCroix's Personality (4)
Fwd: Suicide ain't painless
Request for assistance
Birthday month questions (2)
Spicing up Blood and Nightcrawler Tape
Fatherhood
Updated June Scfi-Fi Channel Schedule
Mail Problems....
Cedric Smith (3)
It can happen
fk on scifi
Question about spoilers
How Long Is the Longest Friendship?
NB and the X-Men
Thankyou everyone
first season parental stuff (2)
X-Man
homoerotic intent in DFF episode
Hey there
Needed for fanfic
Origin of the Quest
Forever Mummy
interesting night - got it!
Opps
Yet More Astrology!
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:24:42 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject: Beginning of the Code :)
Well, actually, it was strongly implied that Nick stopped feeding on
innocents after Alexandra the Vampire Dingbat, whom he thought he'd
killed in the flashback to Fatal Mistake. He was shown watching her
wake with a very guilty conscience in spite of LaCroix's attempt to
talk him out of it.
Of course, then they had to try had to make killing the hunter in
Hunted in the second season feeding on the guilty. I mean, come on,
even if he's a poacher, that's a pretty minor crime and there's no
way Nick could have considered hunting animals for food a crime in
the first half of the 19th c. That's a late 20th century development.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:33:41 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: NatPack birthdays
> From: "Jamie Melody Randell" <immajer@n.......>
> >My favorite reason for denying that it's April 14th came frome Jamie I
> >think, who, when she saw that shook her head and said, "No way Nat's an
> >Aries."
> Well, she ISN'T. That's all there is to it.
> <shakes head, folds arms, looks stubborn> So there.
While you're in that position, blink your eyes as you bob your head forward
real quick and make that wish come true...Oooops, your name's Jamie, NOT
Jeanie!
:)
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:22:33 -0500
From: Sherri Haynes <abadi@p.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
I have another one:
#?? Uncle sells cosmetics door to door. Nick's caddy used to be pink and
have a Mary Kay sticker on it.
Sherri
Cousin * Unnamed
"Oh, I'm much more than that.... Doesn't the sensation that you're feeling
right now tell you that I'm much more than that?" LC to Nick (The Fix)
Cousin Sherri
Member of the Unnamed Faction
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:14:34 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Fwd: Suicide ain't painless
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Forwarded message:
From: grifter1@c....... (Mary Davis)
To: Spirit3679@a.......
Date: 96-06-04 14:10:16 EDT
Considering the responses to LK ie. how could Nick do such a cowardly
thing, what a wuss, etc. It causes me to wonder if it might have been the
intention of the creative forces to show suicide is a lousy choice to
make. Could be they wanted the audience to feel just how painful suicide
really is to those left behind.
Perhaps that is why the show opened and closed with LaCroix's powerful
speech on the value of life.
Personally, if even just one person is saved from suicide, I think it was
worth it.
I must agree with LaCroix when given the choice. "I choose to live,
Divia, to LIVE.
HE WHO SAVES A SINGLE LIFE SAVES THE WORLD ENTIRE.
Mary Davis
LIVE IN LOVE
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:20:57 -0400
From: Lane Lombardia <longpath@n.......>
Subject: Request for assistance
I am attempting to track down two persons on the list; but the last known
email addresses are bouncing in a most unsavory fashion. I apologize for
taking up bandwidth; but, if anyone has a current address, or knows the
status of
Nancy Brighouse
-and/or-
Millie Cady
please email me offlist soonest.
OBFK: Does anyone know where LaCroix was immediately before he turned up
in Toronto in Dark Knight?
(I figure that asking about a first season episode is the safest way to
avoid violating spoiler protection)
My Sincere thanks,
Lane Lombardia
<longpath@n.......>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:34:24 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: Birthday month questions
Jane S. notes, regarding whether it was April or June in OTL:
>Keep in mind, of course, that when you've been through a Toronto winter,
>even 18c (about 67F) seems balmy.
Jane, I live in Wisconsin. 18c *is* balmy!! <VBG> P.S. -- we aren't there
yet, consistantly, even now!
On a totally wild tangent, let's look at another aspect of this birthday
thing: is Natalie more likely to be an Aries (April 14) or a Gemini (June
14). Now we all know she's Gemini *material* (i.e.,the Canadian award <G>),
but how about astrologically.
Aries: Fire sign. Hot emotions. Impulsive. Jumps to conclusions, jumps
into situations without fully analyzing them. Fast to anger, fast cool down.
Gemini: Air sign. Communicator, intellectual. Cooler, more hidden
emotions. Tends to be able to keep a lot of mental balls in the air, and
bounce back and forth between them.
These are just thumbnail sketches, but based on what I know about astrology,
I think there was a glitch in LK. Nat's *much* more likely to be a Gemini
than an Aries. Even her profession fits better.
We now return you to the rest of the weirdness....
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:51:18 -0400
From: "Sarah A. Houghton" <sahought@m.......>
Subject: Re: Spicing up Blood and Nightcrawler Tape
On Fri, 31 May 1996, TippiNB wrote:
> I checked with a nurse friend of mine. She said if you microwave blood it
> curdles. Ewwww! The individual little bloodcells pop because of the way a
> microwave works.
I guess he could warm it in a saucepan. How do hospitals warm blood
before transfusions? I mean, don't they have to warm it first? Does
anyone know?
> Nick, care for a little blood pudding?
Why am I suddenly getting this image of Nick making jello shots?
"Introducing Jell-o's new flavor...."
> Maybe he could just keep it in a rack like LC does at the Raven? I mean,
> maybe mix it with a little wine to preserve it or something? Or maybe he's
> just being masochistic by drinking it cold?
I always figured that he couldn't keep it in a rack because: 1) someone
might notice and drink some by accident thinking it was wine, 2) it would
serve as a reminder of his misery, and 3) he can't find a suitable place
for it in the loft. If he had a pantry, a rack *would* work nicely.
I agree that masochism must be a factor in drinking blood cold--it's got to
taste awful that way. I always thought that blood thickened when it got
cold; if that's so, it must be like drinking red sludge.
BTW, Janette Z (Janette92@a.......), *please* email me. I've been trying to
get past your hungry server about the Nightcrawler Tape for a month.
--Sarah
Brujah, Vaquera, Dark Knightie
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:53:32 -0400
From: Bast Khemet <bast@c.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Kevin Matsumoto wrote:
> >Ok, my turn. He would never admit that:
> >#?? He has the entire collection of Walt Disney movies.
La Croix would also never admit to wearing a pink polo shirt and white
slacks and walking around singing "Whistle While You Work."
--Bast
*keeping to the Disney topic while avoiding getting a sig*
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:35:08 -0400
From: Jennifer Dukarski <DUKARSJA@u.......>
Subject: LaCroix's Personality
** Proprietary **
De-lurking to bring you my opinion on the best Disney movie for
LaCroix:
Pete's Dragon!!!
"Fly, higher and higher and glide above the clouds...."
Jenn Dukarski
Dukarsja@u.......
"Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
--Schafer's Razor
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:53:41 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Fatherhood
Margie said:
> In Dark Knight, the pilot episode, the very first episode, when Nick was
> telling Natalie about LaCroix, he said, "He's like a father or a brother."
I just re-watched "Nick Knight," the first pilot starring Rick Springfield
and Michael Nader. I noticed that this line (delivered to the male
coroner, Dr. Jack) was "He's like a brother." No mention of fatherhood.
Throughout the film, LC is referred to either as Nick's master or as his
brother. The father/son aspect was probably added later, during the
re-tooling for "Dark Knight," because Lacroix's line calling Nick "my
brother, my child" isn't in "Nick Knight" either.
This might have had to do with the fact that Michael Nader didn't look
that much older than Rick Springfield. Even though a vampire can bring
someone across who *looks* the same age or even older than he is (hey,
LC brought across that old Constantine mob don in "Father's Day"), I'd
imagine that it's hard from an artistic perspective to establish a
father/son relationship when two characters *look* the same age.
But then again, there's absolutely no way Nigel Bennett is anywhere near
old enough to be Ger's father, either. <g> So what do I know.
FYI, for the excessively curious:
Michael Nader's birth date: 18 February 1945
Rick Springfield's birth date: 23 August 1949
Nigel Bennett's birth date: 19 November 1949
Geraint Wyn Davies' birth date: 20 April 1957
The above are from the Internet Movie Database (IMDb) & aren't confirmed.
I checked Ger's birthdate (which wasn't clear in the IMDb) against the fan
club info and 20 April 1957 is what the fan club book says.
~~ Allison (percy91@w.......) ~ Knightie ~ Chief Bunny ~ Etc. ~~
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:57:23 -0500
From: Laura Ruggiero <larug@s.......>
Subject: Updated June Scfi-Fi Channel Schedule
There is still no word on what the scifi channel will be showing in July,
but here is the updated June schedule:
June 03 Black Budda Part 2 (302)
June 10 Outside the Lines (303)
June 17 Blackwing (304)
June 24 Games Vampires Play (315)
(Syndi stations (assuming they are showing fk on the same schedule) will
air a given ep sometime the week PRIOR to the above given dates)
So they are not going to show them in order, but hopefully we will get some
more eps off spoiler protection soon (how are we going to deal with
spoilers once fkspoilr is gone?)
Laura (larug@s.......--coming off 4.5 days of receiving no mail (all of
which I now need to read) due to some stupid tech's mistake in working with
the SIU mail server)
Die-hard, Methos Flag Waver
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:14:32 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Birthday month questions
Regarding Gemini vs Aries birthday for Nat:
:These are just thumbnail sketches, but based on what I know about astrology,
:I think there was a glitch in LK. Nat's *much* more likely to be a Gemini
:than an Aries. Even her profession fits better.
I personally have always thought that midApril would have been when Nat had
her birthday. She's exactly like many of the doctors I know who *are* Aries.
(Most of the people I know are either Capricorns, Virgos or Aries. But then,
so are all my friends.)
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:06:30 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Mail Problems....
Dotti wrote:
:ObFK: I just read something in Entertainment Weekly that because of the
:quick demise of that "other" show, vampires are out now in the land of tv
:and mummies are in....oh, brother. That just might make our crusade a little
:more difficult.
I'd like to see them make a series about a mummy. Ha! (But then I didn't
watch FK until this year because I couldn't believe they would be able to
make the format work. Ya never know.)
Actually, vampires may be out for right now, but that doesn't mean that next
year or the year after they aren't more popular than ever.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:48:04 -0700
From: Patty Winter <pwinter@b.......>
Subject: Cedric Smith
John Folden writes:
Catherine is married to him??? I new she was attached, but I
never realized he had anything to do with FK(nor that he was
involved in acting).
Oh, indeed he is! Smith is one of the stars of "Avonlea" (as it's
known here in the U.S.; in Canada, it's "Road to Avonlea."), and in
fact has been nominated for Gemini awards for his role. (And perhaps
has won; I don't know.)
Avonlea is shown in the U.S. on The Disney Channel; in Canada on CBC.
He's in virtually every episode. And of course, Nigel Bennett was in
some episodes of the season that's now being repeated on Disney.
Patty
========================= patty@w....... =========================
Support "Due South"! If you're a fan, let CBS know ASAP!
=========================== Sunnyvale, Calif. ==========================
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:13:31 -0500
From: michael wayne jackson <mjay@n.......>
Subject: Re: Cedric Smith
At 01:48 PM 6/4/96 -0700, Patty Winter wrote:
>Oh, indeed he is! Smith is one of the stars of "Avonlea"
He is also the voice of Charles Xavier, Professor X, on the animated X-Men.
Cath is the voice of Jean Grey, Phoenix. The actor who plays Peter Caine on
KF:TLC also supplies the voice of one of the X-Men characters, but I can't
figure out which one.
michael wayne jackson -- mjay@n.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:25:35 -0700
From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......>
Subject: Re: Cedric Smith
John Folden writes, re Cedric Smith:
> Catherine is married to him??? I new she was attached, but I
> never realized he had anything to do with FK(nor that he was
> involved in acting)
Hmm... I guess I was always under the impression that Cedric and Cath
never married, but were just SO's. But then, I've been under some
tres strange impressions in my life that have turned out to have no
basis on reality, sooo... somebody more knowledgable (Sharon, Jennie?)
want to give a definitive word?
Catherine
---------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Boone Knightie HBTS catheboo@c.......
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with
themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:29:49 -0700
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: It can happen
I found the following on the Zentertainment newsletter:
> According to THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, Spelling Entertainment
> is currently in negotiations to take THE KINDRED to another
> channel such as Showtime. Information on how to show your
> support can be found at the KINDRED web site,
> http://www.kindredemb.com , and stay tuned to ZEN for
> further developments.
Perhaps Forever Knight can be considered along with this other show so as to
make it a dual-show vampire night on Showtime?
Jackie
Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:10:00 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: fk on scifi
Hi,
Are they only going to show fk once a week on scifi, or are the going to
eventually do five eps a week like with Beauty and the Beast.
Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
I've got places to go, people to dissect.- Natalie Lambert
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:52:58 -0400
From: Polly Lynn <plynn@p.......>
Subject: Question about spoilers
Do we have to unsubscribe from the spoiler list or by just shutting it down
are we automatically unsubscribed.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the syndicated stations were
NOT getting the last few episodes of FK and that Sci-Fi was getting them
exclusively? Wouldn't that mean that the last episodes would not come off
spoiler protection until Sci-Fi shows them again? That Last Knight won't be
in syndication?
And just for curiousity sake, between all the spoilers accidently slipping
through; is there anybody on the list who hasn't either seen Last Knight or
doesn't know what happens?
Are we going to talk about the last episodes on this list after Spoiler
shuts down in 2 weeks even if they haven't been repeated yet?
Thanks for the info.
Katja: your tape is in the mail.
Polly
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:00:32 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: How Long Is the Longest Friendship?
Bravo to Deborah Bender!! She has eloquently stated a number of telling
points regarding the N/LC relationship. To which I'm going to add a drachma
or two worth --
First of all, if a type of relationship bothers you, then don't go around
chewing the darn thing to shreds. Someone else might want it. Go find an
aspect you like and pet it all you want. "And it harm none, do what you
will," is not just a witchy rule -- it's really a pretty sound philosophy
for anyone. Let's *discuss* certainly, but not to the point of anger -- a
total waste of energy that could be better expended writing another
passionate letter to TPTB. <G>
Neither Nick nor LaCroix are the products of 20th century Western Civ, as
Deborah *beautifully* and in excellent detail points out. And although it
may startle a lot of people, the values of 20th century West. Civ. are
neither as universal nor as *normal* as they might like to believe. Far
from it. In some ways, this is the most neurotic about body image,
sexuality, and related things that mankind has *ever* been: Vogue defended
their anorextic models by saying they are no *more* unhealthily thin than
any other magazines models (not true, BTW. As a former insider on the
modeling industry, I can tell you that you have to be thinner to get into
Vogue than anywhere else. Not that I was ever a magazine model. Or thin.)
Americans fight about homosexuals in the military as if there had never been
any there before, and about prayer in schools like the kids who really
*need* to pray are going to wait for anybody's permission! Sheesh!
There is a method to all this. As Deborah pointed out:
> We should also bear in mind that although homosexual activity has been
>around since time immemorial, the social category of a homosexual __person__
>did not exist until it was created by Victorian scientists. People could and
>did engage in homoerotic behavior and even homosexual intercourse without
>thinking of themselves as "homosexual".
There are periods in time when close physical relationships between men or
women were quite normal. Women throughout most of history have gotten their
primary emotional and sensual support from each other -- they were property
and bargaining chips to most of male society. And as for men -- in the
sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, as well as in military
situations throughout time, m/m relationships were seen as normal, even
strengthening. And this was even more prevelant in the Roman period of
LaCroix's mortal years.
Did they or didn't they? I dunno. Maybe I'll get a mind-flash on it
someday and toss out some fanfic with my exploration of the question.
Otherwise, not my problem, monkey-boy. Write me a story. I'll read it. I
might even tell you what I think (actually, I do that rather a lot...<EG>).
But I've got better things to do that argue about the biggest null concept
ever invented by the arrogant human mind: *morality* as a universal.
Because it simply isn't. I can illustrate some perfectly operational
cultures whose practices would appall you -- but they work. And I can also
illustrate some cultures who find *us* appalling (besides the Religious
Right<G>) -- for practices you find perfectly normal and acceptable, even
*moral*.
Onward and upward, folks.
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:29:27 -0800
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: NB and the X-Men
NB is the voice of "Mastermold."
Barbara
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:32:05 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: NatPack birthdays
Sharon Himmanen notes:
>My favorite reason for denying that it's April 14th came frome Jamie I
>think, who, when she saw that shook her head and said, "No way Nat's an Aries."
>
>Works for me <g>.
Yeah, me, too -- as I just posted! Didn't know Jamie and y'all'd already
discussed that.
>I'm leaving it up as June 24th on the NatPack page. Amy Hull's explanation
>of why it's June 24th is just too charming to waste.
What was that??? And 24th? Gee, that makes her a Cancer, not a Gemini, and
even more likely: homebody, somewhat reclusive, moody, emotional but not
always showing it, intellectual and philosophical...
Maybe there's something to the Nat/LaCroix faction after all....<EG>
Do we have any idea whether Nick really is a January 1 baby? This would, of
course, NOT have been New Years Day in his time period. But it could be
interesting.
By the way, I would vote that LaCroix is probably a Scorpio, or *maybe* a
Virgo. Janette's very likely Scorpio, too, possibly Capricorn. Vachon's an
Aries/Taurus mix -- cusp or Taurus with an Aries moon, maybe. Or a Leo moon,
but his ducking and tumbling are *very* Aries. Urs is either Pisces or Libra.
Anybody else??
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:53:19 +1000
From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......>
Subject: Thankyou everyone
Thankyou every one who sent me luck for my exams i did great!!!!
I answered all the questions espescially the ones about BLOOD!!!
any how i have another
YKYBWTMFK when
you read the "The Vampire Lestat" and you see that two of the characters
are called Nicholas and Jeanette .
has anyone else oticed this
even though Janette is spelt wrong it is still uncanny dont you think?!!
email me off list if you have noticed this
from
Janettes very happy Fangs
Mary
md.young@s.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:40:20 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: first season parental stuff
At 09:23 AM 6/4/96 -0500, Carrie Krumtum wrote:
>I would say that there wasn't any such emphasis <on the father-son
> relationship in first season because ... LaCroix ... only existed in
>flashbacks, and since the flashbacks were all from Nick's
>POV, they wouldn't hold that kind of emphasis anyway
This brings up something I've been noticing. I hear lots of references
from LaCroix about Nick being his son, but I don't remember hearing Nick
refer to LaCroix as his father. Even in Dark Knight, Nick says LaCroix
is "like" a father or a brother, while LaCroix directly refers to Nick
as "my child". Nick refers to LaCroix as his friend some of the time, but
not as his father. I don't know what this means. Any thoughts on it, or
are there episodes where he does refer to LaCroix that way?
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:10:20 -0500
From: Semper <Semper@h.......>
Subject: Re: X-Man
>>>>>>> The actor who plays Peter Caine on KF:TLC also supplies the voice of
one of the X-Men characters, but I can't figure out which one.
michael wayne jackson -- mjay@n.......
De-lurking for this one: Chris Potter (aka Peter Caine) gives voice to
Gambit--the one with the quasi-Cajun accent.
CS
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:13:51 -0400
From: Deborah Bender <DBendr@a.......>
Subject: homoerotic intent in DFF episode
A late first season episode which seemed to me to be highly
charged with erotic energy was Dying for Fame. This is the episode
with the singer Rebecca, and Fred Mollin's great Dark Side of the
Glass song. In lieu of flashbacks, this episode had what appeared
to be waking dreams or visionary fantasies, all from Nick's POV,
reflecting how he views his existence as a vampire. In one of these
fantasies, Nick is a jailed prisoner, and LaCroix, dressed in a cop's
uniform, strolls in front of the bars and taunts him.
At one point, LC reaches through the bars and Nick, instead of
shrinking away, leans toward LC and allows him to cup Nick's chin in
his hand. There is a shot of Nick, looking very young, looking up at LC
with a piteous expression.
It probably doesn't come through in my description, but this scene
seemed to me to have a strong homoerotic current. It also reminded
me of S/M play. Last year, the director of this episode (and several
others) showed up in the AOL FK forum and invited us to comment on
his work. (Easy for me; DFF is one of my favorite episodes.) I emailed
him and described what I had picked up in this scene, and asked him
whether any of it had been intentional on his part or the part of the
actors.
He emailed back that the homoerotic quality __was__ intentional,
and that nobody had been thinking about S/M at all. I didn't post this
exchange at the time because it was in private email, but now that
the series has come to an end I don't see any harm in it. I am satisfied
that the homoerotic aspect of Nick and LaCroix's relationship was
intended by the creators of the series, and not just something we
are reading in.
Deborah Bender DBendr@a.......
The Witches Trine, quarterly magazine of the NROOGD Craft tradition.
Email me for subscription information.
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:49:31 +1000
From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......>
Subject: Hey there
Hi its me again
well I have been watching the first season episodes that i have, yes all
six of them and i am getting abit bored of the same old thing
anyhow I will be recieveing the whole lot soon so i cant wait
today that is june 4 1996 I will be buying my very own copy of Interview
with the vampire
yeh they finally got it on video to buy out here in Australia
anyhow they had better hurry up with the next season of FK for us cos we
want to see it
I especially want to see "Fate worse than death" cos i am a Ravenette if
you hadnt gathered that yet
from
Janettes Fangs
Mary
md.young@s.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:37:57 -0500
From: Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......>
Subject: Needed for fanfic
I need someone who can translate some things to German for me for a piece of
fanfic that I am writing. I someone would e-mail me off list, I would
appreciate it. This one's gonna be great. I can't wait!
I also need someone who is familiar with current street language and illicit
drugs.
Robbi
Knightie With Dark Tendencies Long Live the Knight egersdor@m.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:12:23 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: first season parental stuff
I apologize for sending this again, but there was something else I meant
to add.
At 09:23 AM 6/4/96 -0500, Carrie Krumtum wrote:
>I would say that there wasn't any such emphasis <on the father-son
> relationship in first season because ... LaCroix ... only existed in
>flashbacks, and since the flashbacks were all from Nick's
>POV, they wouldn't hold that kind of emphasis anyway
This brings up something I've been noticing. I hear lots of references
from LaCroix about Nick being his son, but I don't remember hearing Nick
refer to LaCroix as his father. Even in Dark Knight, Nick says LaCroix
is "like" a father or a brother, while LaCroix directly refers to Nick
as "my child". Nick refers to LaCroix as his friend some of the time, but
not as his father. I don't know what this means. Any thoughts on it, or
are there episodes where he does refer to LaCroix that way?
I think Nick certainly reacts to LaCroix as a father much of the time. One
of my favorite scenes for that is in Sons of Belial when Nick goes to ask
LaCroix for help. Yet he doesn't verbally refer to LaCroix as his father.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:17:16 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest
Amy wrote:
>Yes, Nick has regretted his choice from the beginning <snip>
Nitpicky Cousin mode:
Doesn't he say in the BMV flashback "I do not regret what I am"? So for a
little while, at least, he seems to be okay with it.
Timewise, what's the next flashback we see after those in BMV? In BMV, it's
not long after he's brought across. Do the flashbacks in SoB take place
during the Inquisition (some History minor *I* am!)? I don't know if he
regrets it by then, but he and LC don't seem *too* adversarial in those
flashbacks. When's the first time we see Nick verbalize a regret for what
he is?
It's sort of like trying to put together a puzzle when some pieces are
missing! ;)
By the way, someone posted a timeline for the flashbacks a while ago. Does
anyone know where I can find it, and if such a timeline exists for previous
seasons?
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"We skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LC to NK, discussing how to
stitch a blind hem during Home Ec. class.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:21:04 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Forever Mummy
Dotti wrote:
>ObFK: I just read something in Entertainment Weekly that because of the
>quick demise of that "other" show, vampires are out now in the land of tv
>and mummies are in....oh, brother.
Bwahaha! Mental image alert! Mental image alert! FK retooled as a mummy
show. (Not to be confused with a muumuu show, which is entirely different,
and much *much* scarier.) Nick, having finally become mortal, is abducted
by LC and wrapped in bandages...
"He was mummified in 1996 and preyed on medical supply stores for gauze
bandages.... Now he wants to repay humanity for his sins, to stop being an
endless forever mummy..."
Instead of living in the Apartment Bldg of the Damned he will live in the
Apartment Bldg of *Ramses* the Damned (apologies to Anne Rice). Instead of
being a cop, he'll be a paramedic (the bandages are handy)...
I'll stop now.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"We skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LC to NK, discussing how to
stitch a blind hem during Home Ec. class.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:22:43 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: interesting night - got it!
Thanks to everyone who sent me An Interesting Night! I've got several
copies now. ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"We skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LC to NK, discussing how to
stitch a blind hem during Home Ec. class.
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:15:51 +1000
From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......>
Subject: Opps
oh heck i put the wrong date
i meant wed 5 june 1996 is when i am getting my IWTV video
which is the date today
sorry
from
Janettes fangs
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:16:42 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: Beginning of the Code :)
Cousin Lisa remarks:
>Of course, then they had to try had to make killing the hunter in Hunted in
>the second season feeding on the guilty. I mean, come on, even if he's a
>poacher, that's a pretty minor crime and there's no way Nick could have
>considered hunting animals for food a crime in the first half of the 19th
>c. That's a late 20th century development.
Actually, in the 19th cen., poaching was an offence punishable by
imprisonment, hanging, or transportation. NOT minor. Very serious. I have
not seen the episode in question, but the crime itself would have been
considered significant, especially by someone who identified more with the
aristocracy than the peasantry.
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:16:51 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: Yet More Astrology!
Allison (percy91@w.......) notes:
>FYI, for the excessively curious:
>
> Nigel Bennett's birth date: 19 November 1949
> Geraint Wyn Davies' birth date: 20 April 1957
Oh, my! So Nigel's a Scorpio and Ger's an Aries/Taurus cusp! How
*facinating*!
RE: LaCroix being a Scorpio -- I rest my case! <VBEG>
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:27:11 -0700
From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
I have some as well... ;)
# ??: Uncle volunteers as a synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics
coach at the local rec center.
# ??: Flys around Toronto singing "We can Fly" from Peter Pan.
#: ??: Watches his personal video of William Shatner singing "Rocket Man"
#: ??: Does Ricardo Montalban impressions.. Rich Corinthian leather...
Run awayyyyy......!!!!
Denise ~The Cousinly Ravenette~ ~TEDT~ ~Killer Bunny of the Clan McGregor~
"That Rabbit has a viscous streak a mile wide!It's a killer!" Tim,Enchanter
ithildin@m.......
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