FORKNI-L
Digest - 30 Mar 1996 - Special issue
Sat, 30 Mar 1996
There are 32 messages totalling 1030 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. First Season Questions and Thoughts (4)
2. Who's the master? (2)
3. Med School/PD
4. LaCroix's Family (long) (5)
5. Party Quote LIst (liong)
6. Hello everyone!
7. What the heck is "Hand"? (2)
8. Vaquera Web Page
9. 3rd season episodes & bringing across newbies...
10. Aprils Ramble: the sequel
11. Multiple replies....
12. vamps for real or not
13. FK Continuity, etc.
14. Why doesn't Nick go to med school?
15. Weekend With Ger!!! ???
16. intro and thanks
17. AZ Party - addition
18. FK Vampires Immoral/Evil/Neither?
19. Schanke/Vampire Blood Type
20. Dark Knightie Episodes!
21. Church and bathing
22. Queen Elizabeth's makeup
23. Forever Knight (fwd)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:08:17 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
At 02:14 AM 3/30/96 PST, Kim wrote:
>The only thing I remember her saying is somthing to the effect that he
knows the
> power must be controlled. Could the former have been from the Canadian
> version?
I don't think so, coz I remember it too. Maybe you went on a "potty break"
at that time? Or, it's possible it was cut for commercial time??
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:08:28 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Who's the master?
At 06:49 AM 3/30/96 CST, Tippi wrote:
>>>
>Actually, isn't that exactly how Nick became a vampire? Janette drained
>him and Lacroix... resucitated him.
Actually, no I don't think so. I think Janette "drained him" but not in the
way you mention. And afterwards LaCroix comes into the room and Nick sits up
and - the rest is history. But she didn't bite him. And thus, another
continuity problem is born....
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:05:23 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Med School/PD
At 08:41 PM 3/29/96 PST, you wrote:
>I think he'd have a tough time getting past all the checks and cross checks
>that are done for medical school. Very little of it is done in person so he
>wouldn't be able to whammy them into skipping steps like he evidently did to
>get onto the police force.
I think this would have to go back to continuity, because its not that easy
to get hired by a PD either and a lot of that work is done behind the
scenes. No offense, but weeding out people who you give a gun too is right
up there with people you hand a "knife" to. <G>
Annmarie
Save FOREVER KNIGHT! E-mail me or visit the homepage
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FOREVER KNIGHT will be on shown on the SciFi Channel starting in April!
Cousin, Vachon Ogler, MPPB,MFW-Cavalry: "We're tougher than we look!"
***The Mother of Invention *had* to have been a single mother!***
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:21:35 -0600
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......> wrote:
>At 02:14 AM 3/30/96 PST, Kim wrote:
>Could the former have been from the Canadian version?
Yes, Janette's line about not being able to stop in time *was* in the Canadian
version. Yet another example of missing out on some *really* good stuff (like
Nick's comments on armour and 'potty breaks' in Dark Knight <g>) if you only
have the American broadcasts of first season.
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:58:47 -0800
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
> At 02:14 AM 3/30/96 PST, Kim wrote:
> > >The only thing I remember her saying is somthing to the effect that
> > >he knows the power must be controlled. Could the former have been
> > >from the Canadian version?
And Dotti answered:
> > I don't think so, coz I remember it too. Maybe you went on a "potty
> > break" at that time? Or, it's possible it was cut for commercial time??
Hi Dotti! You're magical! Because, the first scene where Nick goes to
the Raven to talk to Janette is in the Canadian cuts, not the American
ones; the second scene, where he goes to find Richard and Janette says
"you of all people know how carefully this power must be controlled" is
the only Janette scene in the American version of that episode.
That first scene is pretty long, actually, and Janette is pretty annoyed
at Nick for interrupting her because she's in the middle of a conquest of
a very nice looking person and because Nick is once again not paying
attention to the reality of the responsibility of being someone's
"master."
Cynthia, who still thinks it's something in the water.
Cynthia Hoffman, Proud Raven
choff@v.......
Surely you are old enough by now to understand the difference between
"not guilty" and "innocent." Janette, Fate Worse than Death
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:06:29 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
At 07:58 AM 3/30/96 -0800, Cythia wrote:
>
>
>
>Hi Dotti! You're magical!
>
Naw, just a product of reading the list too much so that I can't tell what I
saw and what I read. Real - what's real?? Sorry gang. I'll shut up now.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:22:30 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 Diane E wrote:
>
> And combs have been around since *long* before Lucius was born..... although I
> have to admit, shaving one's legs *is* a completely modern fetish-- and one,
> moreover, that is particularly American. Lots of European women *don't* shave
> their legs, still.
Posting for a pal: To a medievalist, late 18th C is probably very
modern, so we'll call this agreeing <g>... it was the absolute height of
fashion among the female nobility of the revolutionary and somewhat
pre-revolutionary era in France to shave their legs. And other areas
too, including what on Monty Python would be called "the naughty bits."
Laura
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:41:19 -0700
From: Insrafeld <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
Okay, this is about the bathing in medieval times thread... I remember
learning that the church discouraged bathing, to the point that people
were given a garment at birth that they were never to take off, and that
once they were grown was impossible to take off (can't remember what it
was called) just to discourage bathing. As I understood it, the church
considered bathing a sign of vanity and arrogance. Or maybe that was
from an even earlier time period...I'm not sure.
Ob FK: Does anyone know which stores will be carrying the FK CD? Or,
maybe, which ones won't?
Cousin Ami {{ "If we only allow perfect people to enforce the law,
the law will soon be dead, and our city with it."
--ulrike@h....... #-% Orson Scott Card
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:49:35 -0500
From: Beth Hawkes <Seilidhe@a.......>
Subject: Party Quote LIst (liong)
Hi all,
Last night was the first ever get-together of the Arizona Crusaders for
the Knight <g>! Kathy, Bridget, Marg R. and I, along with a neophyte fan, got
together for dinner at a local restaurant. Almost the first thing that
happened was the waitress slipped and dumped a couple of glasses of iced tea
down Kathy's back.... ::shiver:: The weather wasn't too cold by East Coast
standards, but by AZ standards, it was windy and *Very* cool, and we were
sitting on the patio. We ended up getting our drinks for free because of
that!
After dinner, we stopped at the grocery store, picked up some soda and
some wine and then headed over to Bridget's house to watch videos! Bridget's
husband decided to leave... my husband said "smart man" when I told him that
later. ;) We had a couple of bottles of Ribena available, so we toasted our
favorite Vamps with some. Sad to say (maybe), we all liked it! We did end
up diluting it the rest of the night, as it's a bit much for major
consumption. We had fun and hope to do it again soon, at least for "Last
Knight" if not sooner! What follows is a quote list, with episodes we're
watching in { }.
Enjoy!
Beth (Seilidhe@a.......)
Cousin-In-training/Dark Knightie
Flagwaver for Joe Dawson *and* Jim Byrnes and his guitar
POTM -- Phans of the Michael
~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~
{dinner}
"They made all 101 Dalmations and *staked* them in their yard."
"Wrong choice of words for a bunch of Vampire fans."
"I have a real problem with ESD -- I get an arc whenever I touch my car..."
"I feel a fan fic coming on...."
"Wow, glow in the dark Vamps!"
{After dinner}
"I haven't a clue!"
"You mean, no *klew*!" (Said in unison by two members)
"My mom had a dream about Nick, now she won't watch FK anymore.... aw, c'mon
Mom, then at least let *me* have the dreams!"
"Let's watch 'Curiouser and Curiouser' in honor of Nigel's Gemini!"
"All right!"
{C&C}
"Can he fix her later?"
"She's *dead*!"
"She says that to him a lot!"
"What is that? A Chrysler?"
"A *Cadillac*!
"Largest trunk space available!"
"Who's that?
"Janette?"
"Is she a vampire?"
"Just watch!"
"Isn't that Natalie?"
"Yes."
"I thought she was the coroner."
"Just watch!"
"Who's tha....?"
"Jeez, you're worse than my son! Just *watch*!"
"I think we picked the wrong episode to show first! Especially to a
newbie!"
"Oooh, fun! This is what every Dark Knightie wishes they could do!"
{Outer Limits while winding tape to next episode}
"Wow, is she gonna bite him?"
"Huh?"
"She's *not* a nice girl....."
"No."
"AMPH next?"
{AMPH}
"Bitchy, bitchy, bitchy! I know people like that!"
"She's lost it... let's leave."
"He does have a rather strange, abrasive personality." (Said about Schanke)
"Do we get a Natalie flashback?"
"No, LaCroix."
"Is this Divia?"
"Cool!"
"Vampires in Space!"
"This is more like a scene from a soap opera!"
"He's Vogue Vampire!"
"He's good and evil, isn't he?"
"He's not evil! He's *wicked*!"
"Whoosh!"
"Him and his donuts!"
"Pompous Roman ba****d!"
"That's gotta hurt!"
"Someone's making a Nightcrawler tape."
"I *want* that!"
"That? Or *him*?" LOL
"Is that the one with Darren McGavin?"
"Huh?" LOLOL
"Is *that* Natalie?"
"Ohmigawd!"
"I like seeing her like that!"
"He's thinking to himself 'I can have you anyway!'"
"*Go!*"
"Whoosh!"
"How's she gonna explain that to her insurance company?"
"Yeah, just wreak Natalie's apartment"
"*Another* window, Nick?"
"Cheap wood construction!"
"Places to go, people to dissect"
"Biology 101."
{Between tapes}
"I can't find the eject button!"
"A million dollar piece of equipment has to have an eject button!"
"A *door*??? Mine doesn't have a door!"
{BMV}
"What's Vitamin A got to do with it?"
"*Everything*"
"Close the door! Oh, come on, close the door!"
"Come here???? What is she? A dog?"
"Sit, stay!"
"Peeping Lucien!"
"Ruh-roh!"
"He's not Q, is he?" (Disbelieving looks all around!)
"He's tricking her!"
"Fast forward, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward.... oh, hurry up!"
"He's flying *very* slowly!"
"With Nick's track record, he'll probably kill her!"
"I've never seen such restraint in all my life!"
{STF}
"He's all shaggy!"
"He's cute all scruffy!"
"He's a *warm fuzzy*!"
"She looks like Medusa...."
"I don't think I'd want to see Schanke in a wet t-shirt!"
"Bite a cop?"
"Bite me!"
"Slow, Nick, really slow!"
"What's he playing with in his hand? A kiwi fruit?"
"A lime?"
"He's gonna spruce up his cow's blood!"
"Such crass showmanship!"
"They must have had a blast filming this!"
"Is she *trying* to look like a bat?"
"Huh!? What did she....?"
"So, Janette's comic relief in this one?"
"Whoosh!"
"Nick!?!?!?! Is this before or after BMV?"
"After."
"Slap that boy around!"
"No, it's before."
"I was waiting for the evil laugh!"
"Such a brick!"
"Don't you think that after 800 years he'd know these things?"
"He's klewless!"
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Thanks for having us over Bridget, it was fun! "Last Knight" at my house!
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:51:07 -0500
From: Monique de Solis <CMSolis@a.......>
Subject: Hello everyone!
I've been lurking for a while and thought I would finally jump in. All the
people on this list seem to really like each other (with the occasional tiff)
and I just think that's cool. I am hoping to find other list members in or
around the Houston area. I'm so jealous of those actually in Toronto. I
used to live there and had NO clue! Ugggh!
I got hooked on FK during the 3rd season and have been trying to catch up. I
had seen a few 2nd season episodes before I really got into it. I am
interested in acquiring episodes "new" to me. If you are willing to help me
please, please, please, please, (enough groveling yet?) please let me know.
As a (cough, cough) relative newbie to the list I am still searching for a
faction. Those wanting to woo me to the faction of their choice please do so
and help me with this dilemma. So far I am leaning towards being a Forever
Knightie but the purple thong thread has me thinking too! Oh! A FAQ would be
appreciated too.
Also, the wishing crane project, is it over yet? I have some done and was
wondering if its too late.
Okay, okay, I'm going back to lurking now.
Monique
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:59:35 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Hand"?
I've been wondering about this too, because the people referring to
"hand" seem to be talking about at least two different creatures. If I
recall correctly, the original reference was to the flying glove in the
Beatles' animated film *Yellow Submarine*--the idea being that LC would
"borrow" the glove as a weapon of vengeance and destruction from the
Chief Blue Meanie. (I thought this was an especially vivid image--in the
film, the Flying Glove gets into a battle with the John Lennon character,
who defeats the Glove by singing "All You Need Is Love". . . but then we
all know that didn't *really* work, right?) But then somehow the hand from
*The Addams Family* came into the picture, and this hand, to me, isn't
nearly as scary or ominous as the Flying Blue Glove that terrorizes
Pepperland. So . . . which hand is it?
By the way, Robert Smith, singer/songwriter of The Cure, and a member of
Siouxsie and the Banshees formed a band called The Glove and made an album
titled *Blue Sunshine*. The album has a picture of the Glove flying in a
spiral with a trail of casualties streaming out behind it . . . (like
Sharon Tate, John Lennon, John Belushi, Bruce Lee . . .). Anyway, ENOUGH!
Cassie Carter |----------------------------------------|
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Bowling Green State University |http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
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ccarter@b....... |----------------------------------------|
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:51:16 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
Regarding bathing: Diane E. said basically that Medieval people DID
bathe.
I say: Well, then they musta given up during the plagues because there
are numerous accounts of people in the 1600's refusing to bathe because
they believed it would be harmful. Consequently, a lot more people died
of the plague! Plus, when Queen Liz the first died, she had ober 1 INCH
of makeup encrusted on her face. Barber-surgeons and religious leaders
advised against bathing.
ObFK: All this talk of body odor has made me wonder, in my usually
demented way, whether or not our FK vamps must use deodorant? A
little Right Guard, anyone? And just when did Vachon take this famous
shower? Why don't *I* remember any dewey wet Vachon scenes?!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:55:38 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: Who's the master?
Dotti wrote:
FO>Actually, no I don't think so. I think Janette "drained him" but not in the
FO>way you mention. And afterwards LaCroix comes into the room and Nick sits up
FO>and - the rest is history. But she didn't bite him. And thus, another
FO>continuity problem is born....
I'm gonna take this over to the spoiler list. It has to do with Human
Factor I think...
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:07:56 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Hand"?
"Hand" is something that Barbara (Muldy Sculler) brought to the list, and
then placed at my disposal (e.g. "Webgoddess will send Hand after you").
Therefore, I have added Hand to my arsenal, along with my trusty
coincidence-fueled Q-Tip Gun (see War #5), the Rompin' Stompin' Whompin'
Fuzzies (read the fine print!) and the Warm Fuzzy Spanking Paddle of List
Authority.
However, despite this fact, I am still not sure myself what "Hand" is.
...Barbara? Discuss.
<g>
--
Jamie M.R. -- Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
"I may do what I have done. I may smash the hollow rock
without breaking stride and splinter the glitter inside
all over a midnight street." -- L.F.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:30:02 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re: Vaquera Web Page
bonnella scribbled:
>What episode or scene first made you happy that Vachon
>was on the show?
Hmm. I got a kick out of him in Black Buddah (:P'), started to like him a
little more in Trophy Girl, ("pragmatist..."), and fell head over heels into
Vaqueradom with "Fever".
Dona Katya
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:31:25 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wicked One wrote:
> And just when did Vachon take this famous
> shower? Why don't *I* remember any dewey wet Vachon scenes?!
In Tracy's apartment in Black Buddha.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:55:09 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: 3rd season episodes & bringing across newbies...
Katja wrote (about SoB):
>I didn't think it was so great the first time around, but I just watched
>it again, and it's super! Imagine the *fun* GWD and NB must have had
>doing it, too.
I think that was the one that confirmed my being brought across. (Which is
a good thing, because my first ep was Let One Man Tear Asunder.) Kind of
like the taste of my master's blood after being drained ... <grin>
---- TJ
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:55:15 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Aprils Ramble: the sequel
Cousin Deborah said:
>Well he has been a doctor before (during the Civil War and the name of the
>ep escapes me at the moment - you know - the one with the photographer and
"Unreality TV." He was also a Doctor in Vietnam in "Can't Run, Can't Hide."
Of course, one has to remember, how many medical schools have night classes?
YKYB... when you can't stop giggling that a villian in the movie you're
watching (The Wind and the Lion) turns out to be called "Vachon"/
----- TJ
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:49:09 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re: Multiple replies....
Kimberly wrote:
>the universal donor. Bloodtype O is. (is the negative/positive thing
>important?)
I think so...it's got something to do with antibodies in the plasma...I'm O
positive...that's the universal donor as far as I know...
I saw one of those wretched countdown to the "other one" commercials
yesterday...augh.
obFK: d'you suppose we'll ever find out more about Vachon and the Inca's
master? She was cool...
Dona Katya
-=feel the call of the Knight...=-
* Raven * X-Phile * FFFROGie * Mother of the WCP *
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:02:51 -0700
From: Marg Rothschild <marg.r@a.......>
Subject: Re: vamps for real or not
Aaaaaaaah! I missed out on this discussion! Bad computer, bad! I caught a
little of it but the stupid thing crashed on me 3 times yesterday!
Cousin Phoenix, please, if you can, resend me what you wrote about your
'vampiric'condition. You can do so privately. I want to discuss this as well,
ok?
Thanks,
Marg Rothschild, knightie/cousin/FFFROGie
** Help Save/Revive Forever Knight** write me at: margr@i.......
more info: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:07:16 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
Tippi writes:
>I think it probably had more to do with the fact that she reminded him
>of Nick.
Oh yeah, I'm sure that played a big factor (as I said before, that
comment about seeing Fleur as a grown Divia was off the wall :) ).
>It's always fun to corrupt the innocent, know what I mean?
>Plus, she wasn't exactly what you'd call hard on the eyes. ;)
But LC doesn't always bring over every attractive and innocent thing
he comes across. I can't say more without spoiling a third season
episode that is still under spoiler protection. If you're interested,
write to me privately or we can take it over to the spoiler list.
Nick certainly wasn't a *saint* when he was brought over either.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:13:12 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
I'm not a medical type of any sort, but would a standard type of
medical training be what Nick needed to learn in order to work on a
cure? Or since it's sort of *medical research* he'd have to be doing,
would that involve a different sort of training that the standard
doctor training?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:11:52 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Why doesn't Nick go to med school?
As far as we know, he was convinced until he met Natalie that his
condition wasn't physical. The failure of the quack in The Fix flashbacks
probably turned his mind away from any idea of a medical cure.
Besides, remember the lines in OtL? (This is from memory and I may be
quoting something CBS cut, but the gist is accurate.)
Nick: Evil is a metaphysical condition.
Nat: No, no -- you're not evil. Besides, your condition *is* a physical
one.
Then remember later in the first season, I think in I Will Repay, when
Natalie throws at him, "Where's your humanity?"
And Nick replies, "No one but you ever thought I had any."
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:20:24 -0800
From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: Re: Weekend With Ger!!! ???
I obviously have missed a post somewhere... The last day or two I have
seen references to "Weekend with Ger" Would some kind soul please ease
my pangs of curiousity and tell me what the heck it means!!!
Pretty Please :)
Thanks in advance
Denise, The Cousinly Ravenette
ithildin@m.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:20:46 EST
From: BRIAN WHELTON <103045.2473@c.......>
Subject: intro and thanks
Hi all. I am a new third season fan. I have been getting the list for a month
or so now and thought it was time to delurk and say hi.
I want to say a thank you to all who have put so much time and effort into the
homepages, timelines,episode guide ,wavs etc. It has made it so much easier to
come up to speed on where the series has been. I have also been incredibly
impressed by the classy way that the SOS FK campaign and this list is run.
Kudos to everyone involved.
Now for a bit of begging. Although I'm one of the lucky few that actually
gets the SFC (ducking). I don't think I can wait til Sept to see those 1st and
2nd season eps I keep hearing so much about. I would be grateful if anyone would
lend me some tapes.
Kathy
Knightie -in- training
"Just open your mouth,this won't hurt a bit"
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:37:51 -0700
From: Marg Rothschild <marg.r@a.......>
Subject: AZ Party - addition
Hey all! As Beth said it was a great party! We started off that we
were supposed to just meet for dinner. However, we ended up having a
full-blown party. It was funny when we were in the store looking for
something to go with the Ribena. The neophyte fan and I decided we wanted
something other than soda. We met the rest back near the check out
stands. I covered the label to the bottle, held it up, and told them that
we decided on cow's blood! We all had a good laugh. It was a bottle of
Merlot - I remembered someone on the list saying that it was really good.
Funny things with the Ribena - did you all know that they package Ribena
in a bottle like its wine with a foil wrapper? On top of this, the clerk
in the store where I bought it put it into a brown paper bag as if it was
wine too! I loved the facial expressions when the Ribena was being poured!
Like, "are we going to actually drink this thick stuff? We looked into our
glasses and looked at each other. I smelled it first (smells like grape
juice). Believe or not - You all gotta try Ribena! It's good! Tastes
good mixed with Merlot too!
Thanks Bridget for the great Tape Fest at your place!!!!!!!
Thanks all for coming to the party!!! You are all great!
If you've never been to an FK party - you gotta have one! It's great fun!
Hey AZ Crusaders! Are we still getting together on April 26th? Let me
know! I'm all for it!
Marg Rothschild, knightie/cousin/FFFROGie
** Help Save/Revive Forever Knight** write me at: margr@i.......
more info: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:43:08 -0500
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: FK Vampires Immoral/Evil/Neither?
From: Pam Maine <mstangel@u.......>
>>LC=immoral/_evil_ (does rotten things just
'cause they're fun), Janette=amoral (does whatever's best for Janette),
Nick=moral (sometimes does rotten things, but angsts about them
afterwards).<<
I think what we have to consider, as Janette stated in "Partners of the
Month", that "when we leave the day behind we take on a new set of rules."
Meaning that mortal standards of morality no longer apply to vampires, at
least in their eyes. So LaCroix and Janette are not amoral or even evil (if
LaCroix was that bad, I think the Enforcers would have taken care of him long
ago.) They are living by *their* new set of standards, i.e. to keep the Code
and beyond that, do as you please. Nick, because he's locked into a mortal's
code of morality, is the one who is "amoral" when he strays from that
morality. He may have submitted to living as Janette and LaCroix do at one
time, but now at least he has reverted to the old medieval Church's views on
morality and redemption. Or has he? Nick, because of his obvious
inconsistencies, may be the most immoral of the three vampires. His angsting
doesn't seem to keep him from (omitting spoiler here), for one thing. And
this is a Knightie (albeit a Dark Knightie) saying this.
I think we all know how imperfect Nick is - it's part of his charm, I guess.
I guess the eternal question is (for eternal champions??):
Is a person immoral when they act counter to a society's morals or their own
system of morality? If the latter, what I've said above applies. If the
former, then I guess what Pam and others say about LaCroix and Janette
applies. Just a matter of perspective, is all.
Dame Marcia Tucker
ScFiMarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Immortal Beloved
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:43:11 -0500
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Schanke/Vampire Blood Type
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>:
> What is Nick's blood type?
It's whatever Schanke's was... or with vampires it doesn't matter who
you get a conventional transfusion from. I think Schanke's was AB- or
AB+, I'm not sure which. AB something, I'm reasonably sure.<<
Schanke is/was (depending on which season you're in - this writer will say
*is*) A-negative. And of course, as others have stated, a vampire will not
have their own personal blood type anymore - would they have any of their
original blood left? I don't think so. Unless something in them converts
the blood they ingest...
>>Now, damn near all these docs had to be at least 40, so
they may have been all set in their ways, too, I dunno. Anyway<<
Ahem. If this 43-year old was set in her ways, I doubt I'd be on this list!
I firmly believe that age has NOTHING to do with being set in one's ways.
In fact, as a former teacher, I can tell you that it's amazing how many
7-year olds (just an example, any age will do) are set in their ways already.
Open-mindedness has little to do with age, I assure you. :D
Dame Marcia Tucker
ScFiMarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Immortal Beloved
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:43:17 -0500
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Dark Knightie Episodes!
Janette Z <Janette92@a.......> wrote in FORKNI-L:
>> I just saw FTB for the very first time, all I have to say is WOW!!!! That
scene with Nick and Natalie at the Raven "I'll show her what backsliding
really is!!" Wow! Would somebody PLEASE tell me what the best Dark Knightie
eps are besides that one! (And would someone PLEASE tell me how to become a
Dark Knighie, sheesh was that EP good!!)<<
Glad to oblige!
I'm a Dark Knightie because I like Nick dark, sexy and dangerous and because
I also believe he wouldn't last a day as a mortal. The ease in which and
the frequency of which he uses his powers tells me he really likes being a
vampire - he just doesn't want his soul to be damned. He thinks they're the
same thing, unfortunately. The second season episode, "Near Death", while
not a Dark Knightie episode per se, I believe supports this reasoning that
Nick is more interested in redemption than mortality.
Other great Dark Knightie episodes: (sorry - not in order of season)
"Dark Knight" - lots of it here
"Dance By the Light of the Moon" (He is one dangerous and sexy boy!)
"Feeding the Beast" - big time Dark Nick ep!
"Last Act" - featuring vampire sex and that great Schanke line: "Think of the
paperwork if you drop him!"
"Crazy Love" - more on the edge stuff and vampire sex
"Sons of Belial" - goes without saying!
"Outside the Lines" - okay, sounds crazy, I know, but there is a lot of Nick
body language that spells that delicious Nick danger and power
"Fever" - Nick nearly losing it in the morgue
"Killer Instinct" - Nick, caged!
"The Hunters"/"Hunted" - I always mix these two up - the episode where Nick
has to save Schanke from a hunter who learns that Nick's a vampire - when
Nick tries to hypnotise the hunter - whooo, boy!
"The Games Vampires Play" - my most favorite Dark Knightie episode of all!
And of course the flashbacks in "Fallen Idol"
I'm sure there's more - anyone else with a favorite Dark Knightie ep or
scene, please add to this!
Marcia Tucker
ScFiMarci@a.......
Originator of subfaction Dark Knightie (and our numbers are growing)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:36:00 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Church and bathing
I'm sorry, but the idea that the church discouraged bathing is one of
those things everyone thinks they know, but which isn't true. It's based
on early church opposition to mixed bathing in late Roman baths, and
to the fact that medieval municipal baths had a reputation for being
part brothel and part convenient places for assignations.
Private bathing was never discouraged. There are medieval manuals for
attendants of nobles and kings, which include instructions for assisting
at the lord's bath.
Most monastic orders discouraged full scale baths for their members
as unnecessary luxury, but that doesn't mean they never washed. They
just didn't get into a tub. Ablutions were a regular part of the
monastic day.
Nor was there anything that I've ever encountered in the western church
about anything given at baptism that couldn't be taken off. In Russian
orthodoxy there is or was a baptismal cross, which was given at baptism
and which was never supposed to come off. In fact, there's a Russian
idiom for "you ought to be ashamed of yourself" which literally means
"you have no cross on." Could that be the origin of the one garment
idea?
As for body hair, Ovid has a line in his advice to a courtesan (who would
be a free woman) about keeping the "rank goat" out of one's armpits.
Oh, and medieval women of Fleur's status normally wore scents and used
scented things.
The part about blackened teeth is debatable, because Fleur is in the
time before the invention of modern refined sugars. In her day, sweetening
was with honey, and not usual. Medieval people did brush teeth with twigs.
(the Elizabethans, on the cusp of medieval/Renaissance, used hazel
twigs by preference.) Loss of teeth was usually due to inadequate calcium,
and wear from the meal-grinding methods in use at the time.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:48:43 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Queen Elizabeth's makeup
This happens to be the area of history I have my M.A. in, so I do know
what I'm talking about. Elizabeth I did not have make-up encrusted on
her face at her death on March 24, 1603. That white paste that is often
cited as Elizabethan makeup and which the producers of Elizabeth R used,
is actually the Elizabethan equivalent of a facial mask such as you can
buy today in a drugstore.
The recipe makes this clear.
There's also negative evidence that Elizabeth didn't normally wear this
stuff. The Venetian ambassador, new to his post near the end of Elizabeth's
reign, wrote a confidential description of the Queen to his government at
home. He said she had "hair of a color God never made." He also mentioned
her low-cut gown showing too much withered cleavage, and the fact that she
had lost enough teeth that he had trouble understanding her speech. A man
as candid as this would surely have mentioned an inch of white paste.
The teeth would be the result of too many sweets, probably, plus her age,
nearly 70. This was after the invention of modern sugar.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:14:50 -0800
From: Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Knight (fwd)
Thought you all might be interested in this.
Heather <penni@w.......>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:13:25 -0500 (EST)
From: The Dominion Feedback <feedback@s.......>
To: Heather Thornburg <penni@w.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Knight
We will begin showing the rest of season 3 on Monday, April 22, and each
Monday thereafter. At some point after season 3 ends, we will go back
and re-air seasons 1 & 2. Hope you'll be watching!
Thanks for the fedback.
On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Heather Thornburg wrote:
> comments="I was curious as to when you will be starting to show Forever
Knight?
> It is one of my favorite shows. <snip>
> Will you be showing
> all three seasons?
> Hope to hear back from you.
> Heather Thornburg"
>
>
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