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Digest - 29 Mar 1996 to 30 Mar 1996 - Special issue
Sat, 30 Mar 1996
There are 41 messages totalling 1025 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Who's the master? (2)
2. YKYBWTFK....Sports Edition! (2)
3. First Season Questions and Thoughts (3)
4. What the heck is "Hand"?
5. HELP!!! I NEED FK TO RESTORE MY SANITY!!!!! (3)
6. LaCroix's Family (long) (6)
7. Multiple replies....
8. Compilation
9. Computer from he!!
10. FK Continuity, etc. (4)
11. Night in Question and affiliation
12. LaCroix's Family-again
13. Fledgling Masters
14. Various (2)
15. Aprils Ramble: the sequel (3)
16. Vampire Poll
17. YKYB...
18. bearer of the cursed Oatmeal Box
19. Looking for Jennifer Sangiovanni
20. Thoughts About Screed and the New Vamps
21. Nielsen's
22. Medical School
23. CD Question
24. Feedback from SFC
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:48:05 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Who's the master?
Here's a question I don't remember seeing addressed before, but it might
have fanfic significance. In the FK universe, if a mortal is bitten and
partially drained by one vampire, then receives the blood of another
vampire, who is the new fledgling's master? My guess would be the vampire
that gives the blood, not the vampire that bites. Opinions, anyone?
Stephanie Babbitt (stephanie.babbitt@g.......)
Vaquera whose first fanfic is rapidly turning into a novella
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:44:30 -0500
From: Melissa Puzio <miss68@p.......>
Subject: YKYBWTFK....Sports Edition!
You know you've been watching too much FK when...
I'm watching the KDKA sports news on Eyewitness news. John Steigerwald is
talking about various things, but two stood out.
1. In tape of a press conference with John Calipari, coach of Umass and
Pittsburgh Native ! (moon township) he says, " blah blah (I can't remember
the quote) something, then We need to go for the jugular!" Um, isn't it
better to go for the carotid? The blood is cleaner there.
2. This one is the kicker! Then at the end of the sports, Steigerwald says
that the Baltimore football team, yes the former browns, have a new name.
It was chosen, after great thought, get this: The Baltimore RAVENS! Hmm,
wonder if there are a lot of FK'ers in Baltimore. So, is the new
quarterback, (since they dumped Vinnie) our own Uncle, Lucien LaCroix!? And
will Janette pick the cheerleaders. At least their outfits would be stylish!
I need some help!
Cousin Mel, who just spent, LITERALLY 26 constant hours working with the
rest of the Ad Club working on a plans book. I might be intune with vampire
hours, but God hours are another thing. I do need sleep during the daytime.
miss68@p....... or Penchk68@a.......
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:02:04 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
On Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:31:17 -0800 Amy R. wrote:
>But what about her statement in "I Will Repay" that she has never
>brought anyone across?
I have seen "I Will Repay" and I didn't notice where Janette said she has never
brought anyone across. Was it in the Canadian version?
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Just a non-factional (still) FK fan
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:11:12 -0500
From: Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject: What the heck is "Hand"?
Help! I was looking at t-shirts in a mail order catalog and there
was a black shirt with a white stick figure that had a huge
hand. The shirt said "Talk To The Hand!" Now I *must* know
what this "Hand" thing is all about. Maybe it's because I'm
on digest, but I seem to have missed the beginning of this
thread. Will somebody please enlighten me?
Roxanne
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:15:27 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: HELP!!! I NEED FK TO RESTORE MY SANITY!!!!!
In a message dated 96-03-27 21:34:29 EST, you write:
> There's gonna be fanfic on this, and Spelling's NOT
>gonna like it. I gotta go use my inhalers now. Geez, havin' an asthma
>attack over dis...
No... you have to be kidding. I must have read that wrong or something.
Is Aaron Spelling the one producing, writing, making, (whatever) The
Kindred? No, it can't be!!!! Vampires on 90210? Next on Melrose place,
where are those mysterious neck wounds coming from? Nah!, it's
impossible.... right?
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved
CO-CFW for Evil MacLeod
Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:53:55 -0500
From: Diane Shea <KerrRaven@a.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
Lady Amy wrote;
>>The answer I arrived at has a very different premise than most of the
things on this thread -- including Diane Shea's marvelous post -- so I
thought I'd share.<<
Well thanks so much for the compliment! And thanks for sharing your
thoughts! This is a most interesting thread isn't it? I have slightly
different feelings about the answers everyday.
>>I think LC brought Nick across for Janette. Just for Janette, not himself.
I think the entire Nick/LC relationship evolved slowly, over time.<<
At first I started to disagree here, then I realized that might be a very
reasonable answer. The way it is shown on the show usually makes one think
that Janette was just being used (however willingly:) by LC to entice Nick
into a more receptive mood. Since Nick didn't jump straight up off the bed
at the sight of LC in vampire mode, it looks to have worked. But Janette
sure looked happy to have Nick around in the earliest of their days together,
as though he were a present and she just couldn't wait to unwrap him.
>>"You can get another one."
"I don't want another one. I want THAT one."<<
I'm not trying to nitpick, really I'm not (I hate when people do that
usually) but their conversation reads exactly as follows;
"We can get a new one."-Janette
"I don't *want* a new one. I *like* THAT ONE!"-LaCroix
(I know, I know, big difference!) I only mention it because, oddly enough,
it serves your theory a little better this way. Although it kind of says two
things at once! To me, when Janette uses "we" that shows that she feels she
owns Nick in some ways, just as LC feels he owns him. Like getting Nick
across was a joint venture for them. But, if that was the case originally,
LaCroix decided that Nick was more fun to teach, pester, hunt humans with,
etc., than he had originally thought, and took him from her. Indian
Giver!!:)
>>He makes vampires much more casually than he builds his *family.* (To
which I think he intended to add Fleur from the first, in contrast with
Nick...)<<
And Nick shoulda let him do it too, but that's another post.
>>In "Dark Knight," we see Janette seducing Nick. In, "Near Death," we hear,
"Oh, I WANT him." And I'm sure we all understand exactly how she feels. :)
It seems to me that LC gave Nick to Janette as a gift.<<
Well I can't argue here (not that I feel a need to argue, but just for the
sake of argument:) because I haven't seen Near Death, yet. I'm sure that
would probably help me to see your point even better.
>> LC, the Control Freak of the Universe, Lucian "Oh, we
skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LaCroix, never properly instructed his
children in how to bring people across.<<
Maybe LC didn't want Grandchildren!! Never wanted to be called Grandpa Luc,
ya think?:)
OK, let me see, LC didn't really have any great interest in Nick when he
first brought him across. Janette needed a playtoy, so he let her choose
one, and since he probably wasn't ready to let her feel too powerful (as the
act of turning a human into a vamp, and controlling them thereafter would
tend to make one feel,) he increased his own hold over the lives of others by
bringing Nick across himself. Makes sense. Once I get the rest of the 2nd
season I'll look for that. More testing of hypotheses!
>>Anyway, I was looking for Nigel's age, and was unable to find it.<<
He was born on 11-19-96 so that would mean he's about 46, correct?
>>That means that when Lucian was at the performance of "The fall of Troy"
which got Nero the reputation for fiddling while Rome burned -- and Nero did
perform music in public, to the horror of his peers<<
Just to get off the topic for a sec, I noticed when I was looking up rebec
information they were saying something about bowed instruments didn't go back
as far as Nero, so it wasn't really a fiddle he was playing. And that's all
I've ever read on the subject so I truly don't know anything about it. Just
wondering if others have the information to confirm or condemn this idea.
Which would in turn confirm or condemn any thoughts that Lucian was a rebec
player in his mortal life.
>>If NB is now 30 (same reason as above) then LC was 15, which would have
been old enough for him to be a guard,
yes?<<>> Am I missing any other pieces of this puzzle?<<
Only about 16 years worth! :))) Just kidding. I'm sure Nigel would love ya
for the compliment!
I noticed no one took up my challenge on a completely non erotic meaning
behind LC's actions in Nick's fantasy in "Dying for Fame", so I'm assuming
that I'm not the only one who just can not see that in any other way. That's
good to know...maybe. :)
--Cousin Diane
*Valentine* and Supporter of the nameless LC/Janette faction!
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:55:34 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Multiple replies....
In a message dated 96-03-29 18:46:04 EST, you write:
>I'm pretty sure that Schanke was AB somethingorother. That definitely isn't
>the universal donor. Bloodtype O is. (is the negative/positive thing
>important?) In Dark Knight Schanke expressed relief that he _wasn't_ the
>universal donor since that was who the killer was after.
According to the series opener 'Dark Knight' Schanke is A-. This is what the
blood tech/killer tells him just after he donated. At the end of the second
part of the ep, Schanke tells Nick that Nick has a pint of grade A Schanke
running through him. Nick looks at Nat and says 'You didn't!'. Schanke is A
negative. Nick may or may not be. Who knows?
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:56:08 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Compilation
To the person requesting permission to compile FKFIC, I hereby give my
consent.
Carrie Krumtum
3/29/96
Thanks.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:57:48 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Kim Ivey wrote:
> I have seen "I Will Repay" and I didn't notice where Janette said she has never
> brought anyone across. Was it in the Canadian version?
Nick went to the Raven to ask Janette if she had ever done so. She said
something to the effect of never being able to stop in time (ie, she
always wound up killing them instead).
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:01:39 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Diane Shea wrote:
> things at once! To me, when Janette uses "we" that shows that she feels she
> owns Nick in some ways, just as LC feels he owns him. Like getting Nick
> across was a joint venture for them.
This is further supported in Father Figure (is that right? The one with
Daniel), when LaCroix says something along the line of "Janette wants
him. And what Janette wants, she must have." It seemed kind of indulgent,
rather than sarcastic. Perhaps she wanted Nick, and LaCroix got him for her.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:17:17 -0500
From: Siona <siona@n.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWTFK....Sports Edition!
On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Melissa Puzio wrote:
> It was chosen, after great thought, get this: The Baltimore RAVENS! Hmm,
> wonder if there are a lot of FK'ers in Baltimore. So, is the new
> quarterback, (since they dumped Vinnie) our own Uncle, Lucien LaCroix!? And
> will Janette pick the cheerleaders. At least their outfits would be stylish!
Oooooo.... I was going to post that one! So, will Janette call her
cheerleaders the Ravenettes?
Siona@n.......
Dark Knightie!
Help save Forever Knight! see http://www.netaxs.com/~siona/
"Murphy was an optimist!"
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:18:29 EST
From: Kenneth Dare <102226.1213@c.......>
Subject: Computer from he!!
First of all I want to thank everyone who replied. Now It seems that my
computer or mail box (what ever) had been bouncing back things. Mostly large
things. I have no idea that is going on?! I did get the Forbidden Love 18, 19,
& 20. Thanks to Lisa for sending it and thanks to Cindy for trying. And April
I don't know why to won't work, but thanks for trying. Go ahead and send what
you got of the X-over. Looks like my computer doesn't like big files anyway.
Knowing all this I ask if some one will TRY to send me "Vice Versa". It took
me three times to send one of my messages today ( this #%@*@ computer kept
eating it!!) Tomorrow after work I'll be working on fixing it. We'll see that
happens.
Now for my FK question. I'm a little confused on these factions. OK I've
figured out that a consin is (I'm deffently leaning in that direction), and
Nick&Nat, but the Diehards, Perks, Natpackers, and all the others. Would people
please give me a Defination for each. (I'll bet everyones is different <g>).
THANK YOU everyone for for your help while my computer is on the blink.
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Brandy
=="I like the cover," he said. "Don't Panic," It's the frist helpful or
intelligible thing ==anybody's said to me all day."~~~~The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:08:00 EST
From: Maria Montalvo <maria@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
Amy R. <r......@w.......> wrote:
> Picking up and reweaving dropped plot threads is my favorite thing
>to do, and I am NEVER content to ignore or accept an error I can explain
>away ("I'm a Knightie; I can rationalize anything"). Do I have a working
Ok, here's another continuity error to play with (this just occurred
to me today) [This has Fever spoilers; but from rumblings lately, I
think Fever has come out of spoiler protection. If not, I apologize,
and you've been warned.]:
Vachon and Screed talk about the First Hunger, and how whatever you
chomp on first becomes what you hunger for: if you chomp on a human
first, then you're a vampire; otherwise, you're a carouche. But in
I Will Repay, when Richard wakes up, Nick gives him a bottle from
the fridge, which undoubtably contains cow. Logically, that would
make Richard a carouche, and he shouldn't have been quite so
out-of-control around humans.
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April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......> wrote:
>Oh, Yah! I've been wondering, couldn't Nick go to medical school to
>update himself on today's medical practices and then work on finding a
>cure for himself? I'm getting kinda tired of watching him rely on
>others to find his cure for him. He's a vampire, for gosh sakes! (Gosh,
Is it _possible_ to go to medical school completely at night? I would
tend to doubt it.
Maria
maria@m.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:46:40 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
I would like to propose another possible scenario for why LC brought
Nick over. I think he did it for himself and Janette was the initial
and continuing lure to help keep Nick happy. That Janette also wanted
Nick was just icing on the cake.
If you think about why he found Janette someone he wanted to keep near
him, she bears a surface resemblance to Seline, mortal mother of his
mortal child Divia. Seline also worked in the same profession.
So maybe it's possible that Nick also resembles someone LC cared for
as a mortal? Since Nick was in the military, maybe someone in LC's
army?
For that matter, was LC interested in Fleur because he could imagine
her as a grown Divia? Being Nick's "father", he might have naturally
considered Fleur his "mortal" daughter.
Well, maybe that last paragraph is off the wall (not sure where that
came from actually). :)
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:50:47 -0800
From: Sherri <sherric@e.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question and affiliation
On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Steve Townsley <stownsley@a.......> wrote:
>So I'm sitting here watch this episode and LC's flashback with the soldier and
>I'm thinking to myself 'little lapse in memory there, Uncle.'
>Omigosh! Cousin Cherry has gotten to me, I think.
>--
Cousin Cherri is everywhere. Usually in California and now in Oregon with
Knightie Sherri Campbell.
COUSIN STEVE: Uncle is WATCHING YOU!!!!
no,no i'm being held hostage by a mad cousin.... help
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................. sherri!
torrey! help............................
There IS no help! Bwahahahahaha!!!! Uncle.
Sherri <sherric@e.......>
p.s. cherri is computerless after toknight
heh heh.
OK Sherri. Into the war materials mailbox for you!!! Cousin Cherri
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:59:50 -0500
From: Diane Shea <KerrRaven@a.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family-again
Thank you Susan Garrett for another excellent explanation on why LaCroix
chose Nick (of all people!) to be one of his family. It incorporates both
the idea that LC was the one who decided they needed another addition to
their lives, and also explains how it might have been left up to Janette to
make the pick of the litter, so to speak.
I like seeing everyone's ideas kind of merge into one good one.
--Cousin Diane
*Valentine* Supporter of Soon to be named LC/Janette faction!
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:00:07 -0800
From: Vickie Adams <emerald_@i.......>
Subject: Fledgling Masters
At 23:48 3/29/96 -0500, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
> In the FK universe, if a mortal is bitten and partially drained by one
>vampire, then receives the blood of another vampire, who is the new fledgling's
>master?
I can only think of the case when Nick drained the barmaid and Lacroix
brought her accross. I'd assume Lacroix was the "master" eventhough the
barmaid was Hell-bent on killing poor Nick.
My vote would be that the strongest Vampire would end up the master, and if
the fledgling had any luck they wouldn't end up with Nick as their master.
Just my 0.02$,
Cousin Vickie
- - Searching for a really cool Sig. - -
emerald-@i....... // emeraldct@a.......
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:36:44 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Various
:If Nick could vamp out without provocation, and calm down to normal with
:minimal effort *because* the original vamping out was without
:provocation, this has all sorts of bearing on... oh, that would be a
:spoiler, wouldn't it? <g>
Kind of like he vamped out (at least the eyes) then went back to normal in
the tag of Sons of Belial. (I liked it when he did that, even if it did
scare poor Nat. Especially since he then nuzzled her cheek while still
greeneyed.)
:---------Would you believe it is SNOWING here AGAIN?----------
Sounds like normal Palouse (WSU) weather: heat wave in mid March enough for
people to get out on the roofs and sunbathe, then snow at the end.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:41:41 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Aprils Ramble: the sequel
:Hey ya'll! Just decided to do another one of my rambles... Lets see...
:Oh, Yah! I've been wondering, couldn't Nick go to medical school to
:update himself on today's medical practices and then work on finding a
:cure for himself?
I think he'd have a tough time getting past all the checks and cross checks
that are done for medical school. Very little of it is done in person so he
wouldn't be able to whammy them into skipping steps like he evidently did to
get onto the police force. (And we won't even talk about how difficult it is
to get an Oregon State medical license and it's "document where you have
been for every two week period of your life" section.) Of course, maybe he
could go to a foreign medical school (which are easier to get into.)
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:25:45 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
Re: Maria's comments on Richard drinking cow first. Screed was
shown in the flashback of My Boyfriend is a Vampire (I think) partying
with and apparently feeding upon a woman. He also showed interest in
the mortal Urs in Hearts of Darkness (until Vachon warned him off).
So maybe what you have *first* means that that is what you *prefer*
to eat rather than that is *all* you eat.
However, another continuity thing along this line could also prove
interesting. In Near Death, we see a newly brought over Nick start
to immediately get Janette in a lip lock. Now, unless LC broke it
up, *Nick's* first hunger would have been satisfied by drinking
*vampire* blood. ;) Mmmm...is this a reason why Nick has kept going
back to Janette over the years? ;)
As far as Nick going to medical school and working on his own cure,
there probably aren't classes totally at night, but Nick is loaded
enough to have convinced people to give him private training. But I
suspect it may have more to do with personality traits. All of us
wouldn't want to train as doctors or scientists. Even if one is a
vampire and has eternity to pursue various interests, Nick has for
the most part tended toward the more artistic pursuits (with the
occasional "cause" thrown in). Archaeology probably held interest
for him initially because of the search for a cure. He must have
decided he liked it though to wind up teaching it in the 50's.
He *has* shown in his morgue discussions with Nat about cases that he
*does* have some medical knowledge beyond what he probably used in
the Civil War as a doctor or in Vietnam as a medic. Maybe it's just
simply that he's afraid he'd be too biased to doctor on *himself*
(something most regular doctors don't do, after all).
He could certainly try to set up mortals with the necessary knowledge
to work on a cure for him. Maybe part of him doesn't think a solelly
scientific cure is possible.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:41:51 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Various
Kat writes:
>Kind of like he vamped out (at least the eyes) then went back to normal in
>the tag of Sons of Belial.
I didn't consider that scene to be controlled vamping out. I think he
was tempted to feed on Nat. I saw the green eyes as the first step to
*vampire* seduction of Nat, particularly when you add his tone of voice.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:14:49 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:57:48 -0500 Katja Stokley wrote:
>Nick went to the Raven to ask Janette if she had ever done so. She
>said something to the effect of never being able to stop in time (ie,
>she always wound up killing them instead).
The only thing I remember her saying is somthing to the effect that he knows the
power must be controlled. Could the former have been from the Canadian
version?
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
"A ghost is an hallucination of some past regret, no more. Ghosts are mistakes
that we've made. Each ill-considered thing that we have done is a ghost that
haunts us--If we let it. --LaCroix (Dead of Night)
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:23:15 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Aprils Ramble: the sequel
I fell certain that Aristotle could defend even Oregon's license checks.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:24:19 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Aprils Ramble: the sequel
Actually, Aristotle could DEFEAT not defend--sorry.
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:20:46 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
>But in I Will Repay, when Richard wakes up, Nick gives him a bottle
>from the fridge, which undoubtably contains cow. Logically, that
>would make Richard a carouche, and he shouldn't have been quite so
>out-of-control around humans.
I have a different theory on this. It is also apparent to me that the fledgling
vampire has to be taught to contol himself/herself. I don't think it's
necessairly what kind of blood. Also in "I Will Repay" Richard kills a man in
an alley because he is attacking a woman (he left the woman alone). Also he
killed Saul and friends because of what they represented to him. Richard even
explains that he now had the power to really put criminals away.
Anyone else have a different idea?
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
"A ghost is an hallucination of some past regret, no more. Ghosts are mistakes
that we've made." ---- LaCroix ("Dead of Night")
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:54:59 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Poll
I would absolutely have to agree with you!
Kira--Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:55:00 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYB...
WHAT do all these blasted initials stand for? I've got theepisode
abbreviations down, more or less, but these others are confusing the h*** out
of me, somebody please help!!
Kira--Newborn--Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:55:16 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Re: bearer of the cursed Oatmeal Box
In a message dated 96-03-29 15:43:36 EST
>Um, how exactly to I not get the Thing We Should Not Have? I really want to
>not see it.
So do..err..don't I
Kira--Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:55:56 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Re: Looking for Jennifer Sangiovanni
In a message dated 96-03-29 01:00:41 EST, you write:
>By the way, who's sent in their money for the California Gerthering? Are
>you one of the chosen few (100)?
What CA gathering? I wanna go! I need info!
Kira--Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:55:21 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Re: Thoughts About Screed and the New Vamps
In a message dated 96-03-29 01:28:35 EST, you write:
>, I thougt it was pretty lame to kill off Screed before
> showing his origin. Anybody else agree?
I definitely agree, I enjoyed always trying to interpret what Screed was
saying, he was an added comic relief, especially in the few scenes he had
with Tracy, cause he freaks her out, and Nick, he's just so intimidating
sometimes <smirk>...I would have liked to know more about where he came from.
kira-Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:55:25 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nielsen's
In a message dated 96-03-28 23:20:42 EST, you write:
> Like, does anyone know if this is
>something that Nielsen people actually do?
Possibly, but that could be investigated...we did Neilsens about 5 years ago,
and it didn't involve anything as bizarre as that.
Kira-Newborn-Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:49:06 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Who's the master?
Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
FO>have fanfic significance. In the FK universe, if a mortal is bitten and
FO>partially drained by one vampire, then receives the blood of another
FO>vampire, who is the new fledgling's master? My guess would be the vampire
FO>that gives the blood, not the vampire that bites. Opinions, anyone?
Actually, isn't that exactly how Nick became a vampire? Janette drained
him and Lacroix... resucitated him.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:53:28 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: HELP!!! I NEED FK TO RESTORE MY SANITY!!!!!
FO> No... you have to be kidding. I must have read that wrong or something.
FO> Is Aaron Spelling the one producing, writing, making, (whatever) The
FO>Kindred? No, it can't be!!!! Vampires on 90210? Next on Melrose place,
I have no idea if Spelling is doing this show or not. But I started
calling it Transylvania 90210 in one of the Eternal Champion fics, so
maybe I inadvertently made it happen? My powers don't always work for
the greater good apparently!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, member of The Thong Throng!
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:08:32 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
Snadra Gray wrote:
FO>For that matter, was LC interested in Fleur because he could imagine
FO>her as a grown Divia? Being Nick's "father", he might have naturally
FO>considered Fleur his "mortal" daughter.
I think it probably had more to do with the fact that she reminded him
of Nick. I mean, she was like the female version of Nick. She was his
chance to have another try at bringing "Nick" across. I think he saw
all the things in her that Nick's now lost, ie., innocence. It's always
fun to corrupt the innocent, know what I mean?
Plus, she wasn't exactly what you'd call hard on the eyes. ;) You gotta
figure everyone in the 13th century is walking around smelly from lack
of bathing, with matted hair, hairy legs, and rotted teeth. So Fleur
was by contrast a real catch. ;)
Ah but he didn't bring her across. Why? Because he'd ruin again the
thing he ruined in Nick. Not that it was all one-sided, of course. Ol'
Nicky did his fair share of ruining his own innocence!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, the Entirely Innocent
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:42:37 -0600
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......> wrote:
>Plus, she wasn't exactly what you'd call hard on the eyes. ;) You gotta
>figure everyone in the 13th century is walking around smelly from lack
>of bathing, with matted hair, hairy legs, and rotted teeth. So Fleur
>was by contrast a real catch. ;)
Sorry, Tippi, but I *have* to call you on that. (showing my SCA roots-- it's a
reflex! <g>) Contrary to popular, modern fable, the mideivals did *not* avoid
baths. There are numerous woodcuts from very early, showing noble men and women
bathing in big wooden tubs, tastefully draped with canopies to keep out the
drafts (this is before central heating, remember!). And sponge baths were a
daily ritual for anybody with any pretentions to non-peasant status. Larger
mideival cities even had bath houses, where anybody who had a penny to spend
(literally, a silver penny) could soak in a tub full of hot water, complete with
soap (soap has been around a long time) and clean towels. And even the peasants
would wash before going to church on Sundays.
And combs have been around since *long* before Lucius was born..... although I
have to admit, shaving one's legs *is* a completely modern fetish-- and one,
moreover, that is particularly American. Lots of European women *don't* shave
their legs, still.
ObFK: I always thought that Janette had this HUGE bathroom in her living
quarters at The Raven, with an extra-big, extra-deep tub, precisely *because*
she can remember when 'bathing' meant a wooden washtub and six inches of tepid
water..... because hot running water and permanent bathtubs have only become
common in the last 60 or so years, y'know. But you *can* get clean in a bucket,
if you want to. :)
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:52:40 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
Maria wrote:
:Is it _possible_ to go to medical school completely at night? I would
:tend to doubt it.
Not in any medical school I ever heard of. However, when I was in medical
school I nearly lived there. Classes were during the day, but many a night I
was in the anatomy lab or studying in my carrel. I wouldn't see the light of
day for days at a time. However, that's only for the first two years. After
that are 2 years of "clinical clerkships" which mean that you are working
alongside the interns/residents/fellows at the hospitals/clinics. That's
mostly days, but sometimes we were on the same 36 hours on, 12 hours off
nasty schedule that the interns were on.
Somehow, I can't see Nick surviving the experience. (Or wanting to stick to
it, either, even if he did manage somehow to get into medical school without
all the background checks they do.)
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:30:31 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Medical School
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Maria Montalvo wrote:
> Is it _possible_ to go to medical school completely at night? I would
> tend to doubt it.
Nick doesn't actually need to go to medical school unless he wants to
practice medicine on others. He just needs to acquire the body of
knowledge, which could be done via books and discreet tutorials.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:33:45 -0800
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: HELP!!! I NEED FK TO RESTORE MY SANITY!!!!!
At 06:53 AM 3/30/96 CST, you wrote:
>FO> No... you have to be kidding. I must have read that wrong or something.
>FO> Is Aaron Spelling the one producing, writing, making, (whatever) The
>FO>Kindred? No, it can't be!!!! Vampires on 90210? Next on Melrose place,
Yes, of course it is Aaron Spelling
Check out previous posting on this travesty -
IMHO, it was just about last October that the Forever Knight Public
Relations firm started failing and there was a distinct dearth of publicity
about FK. In addition, it was just about then that the show started to lose
its time slot and be moved around.
Also happening just around October was Aaron Spellings start of
filming his new show, Kindred:The Embraced. Somehow or another, and I am
NOT particularly paranoid, I feel TPTB felt that in order not to mess with a
*very* powerful Hollywood TV producer, with his very own vampire show, with
a mega-bucks attitude, with fairly well-known actors, with a history of
"successful" shows on Fox, etc., etc (fill in the blanks for yourself),
Forever Knight had to face the sunlight!
Jackie
Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:33:49 -0800
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
At 07:42 AM 3/30/96 -0600,Diane (1 "n") wrote:
>And combs have been around since *long* before Lucius was born..... although I
>have to admit, shaving one's legs *is* a completely modern fetish-- and one,
>moreover, that is particularly American. Lots of European women *don't* shave
>their legs, still.
Um, excuse me.....I thought that the Greeks, and the Romans, had a
long standing habit of using a sharpened horn to scrape the hair from *all*
parts of their bodies with the exception of the head and eyebrows. Facial
hair on men was a sign of class; body hair on women was a sign of slave status.
Jackie
Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:51:24 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: CD Question
Someone raised the question the other day about whether to buy the FK CD in
a store or order it and that they thought possibly there was more credit or
credence given to those bought in a store, so I raised this question to
Mark. The following is his reply.
>From: BuzBanzai@a.......
>Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:55:28 -0500
>To: mickey@c.......
>Subject: Re: CD Question
>
>I'm not certain I wholly understand the person's question.
>If you mean by "More Credit" do the artists and production companies stand a
>better chance of receiving royalities from units sold from stores as opposed
>to direct sales from our office, then the answer would be, no there is no
>difference.
>The sales are just as valid either way.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:56:57 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Feedback from SFC
>Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:32:26 -0500 (EST)
>From: The Dominion Feedback <feedback@s.......>
>X-Sender: feedback@u.......
>To: mickey@c.......
>Subject: Re: Forever Knight
>
>
>
>On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 mickey@c....... wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a few questions that I hope you will be able to answer for me.
>> They are for the viewers on the list and the mail loop.
>>
>> Do you have any idea of the status of FK in other countries?
>
>Nope. Sorry.
>
>> To what areas does the SFC broadcast? Just the US?
>
>SFC is seen in the US (and I think people are pirating us in parts of
>Canada). We have a separate European channel but what we're able to show
>there is unrelated to what we show here. If I'm not mistaken, FK is
>already seen in the UK and thus would be unavailable to our European
>service. USA Networks has a Latin American channel that shows science
>fiction programming on Saturdays ("Sabados de Sci-Fi"). I don't know if
>FK will be available to them, either.
>
>> And finally, Barry mentioned that Geraint Wyn Davies would be doing another
>> AOL chat. In the past, these chats have been conducted in the OMNI arena.
>> However, the OMNI rep advised me that she had not heard of these plans and I
>> wonder if you would be able to fill me in on this.
>
>Technology has never been Barry's forte. We are trying to secure Geraint
>and/or others associated with FK for an internet chat, but AOL is in no
>way affiliated with this chat. While the specifics have not been
>established yet, a chat (should we be able to obtain one) would take
>place via some IRC-compatable chat environment. I'll keep you posted on
>the specifics when I know more.
>
>> Thanks very much!
>
>Happy to help. Thanks for informing the FK community for us.
>
>- The Dominion
>
>
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