FORKNI-L
Digest - 28 Mar 1996
Thu, 28 Mar 1996
There are 19 messages totalling 657 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Nigel/SyndiconWest
2. Unreality tv flashback
3. As Screed might have said..."Ain't that a kick in the crotch?"
4. Dying For Fame (was popcorn scene)
5. AirWolf (2)
6. sc&va
7. Popcorn Scene (2)
8. vamps for real or not (2)
9. Vampire Poll
10. Yes, I messed up...again
11. Okay Guys, Enough
12. Starlog letter
13. The popcorn scene and fangs
14. Pronunciation? (2)
15. YKYBRTMF-LW...
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:34:34 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Nigel/SyndiconWest
It was passed along to me by one of the Con's promoters that Nigel Bennett
has confirmed for Syndi-Con West. Following is the pertinent information.
There are other celebrities attending. Anyone wanting a full posting can
E-mail me at mickey@r.......
I was also advised that charitible proceeds will be going to the Shanti
Project, which is an Aids related charity.
SYNDI-CON
April 12-14, 1996 at
the Cathedral Hill Hotel
San Francisco, CA
*****CONFIRMED!!!*****
*** X-FILES ***
STEVEN WILLIAMS
"X" from the "X-Files"
( formerly "Capt. Fuller" from "21 Jump Street" )
****BABYLON 5****
J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Series creator and Executive Producer
STEPHEN FURST
"Vir"
PATRICIA TALLMAN
****JUST ADDED!****
FOREVER KNIGHT
NIGEL BENNETT
"LaCroix"
MORE CONFIRMATIONS SOON!!!
****MEMBERSHIP INFORMATION****
Syndi-Con
[Address & phone number removed]
Syndicon@a.......
Memberships are $55.00 for all three days, $35 for one
Children 10 and under free
No memberships guaranteed at-the-door
Send check or money order to the above address
RENEGADE DANCE PARTY
Saturday, April 13, 1996
9-11 pm
Tickets are $15 for convention members
$25 to the general public
You will not be receiving a ticket to the convention, but a receipt
You may present your receipt, cancelled check or valid id at the
convention registration desk. Waiting for you will be a packet with your
badge and lots of great info about the area!
If you are an artist or dealer, let us know if you'd like more info
FOR A DISCOUNT ON YOUR AIRFARE...
UNITED AIRLINES IS OUR OFFICIAL AIRLINE
REFER TO MEETING CODE 502BX
Call the United Meeting Desk at 1-000-000-0000 and refer to the above
meeting code (Monay - Sunday) 7:00 am to 10 pm ET.
HOTEL RESERVATIONS
Our special convention rate is $89.00 flat rate
Rollaways available for an extra $20.00 per night (reserve when you make
your reservation)
You must mention the convention to get the con rate!
SYNDI-CON
"...There can be only fun!"
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:45:00 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Unreality tv flashback
The enforcers blamed Nick rather than LaCroix because it was Nick to
whom the photographer took the picture. Nick failed to hypnotize the
man out of it, but did not kill him when the hypnotism didn't work.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:01:16 -0500
From: Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: Re: As Screed might have said..."Ain't that a kick in the crotch?"
As one of the Tour travelers who has been implicated in this, apparently on
nothing more incriminating than the fact that I was a passenger in one of the
two cars: I was not consulted on the original post, don't know who was, and
did not know it was dropping. Therefore, I do not think that people should
be just tossing blame about to include a whole grouping. This isn't the
Warren Commission. There is no conspiracy here; or if there is, I'm far too
uncool to have been invited to join it. I can't say that I condone all of
the opinions expressed in the post--- *however*, the facts, ladies and
gentlemen, are fairly accurate.
I have no doubt that the Tour has been and will be a good experience for
others; but as for myself, it gave me the first case of acute carsickness I
have had in eight years. I regularly finish three and four books at a time
on car trips without a twinge of nausea, but between the dozens of short
stops and abrupt turns by the unfortunate drivers, who were forced to
navigate through a maze of FK-related side streets, alleys, marquees and so
forth, before long I was hanging my head out the window, gulping in fresh
air, sucking down peppermints sixteen to the dozen trying to keep my gorge
from rising in my throat, and praying to go back to the hotel for good; with
who knew how many hours of driving about the city ahead of us. Any of you
who've ever been carsick on a trip with no end in sight, will know how
miserable that is. I have no doubt that the Tour *can* be fine if contained
to a manageable size, but my experience was far from fine, and I do not
recall ever having heard an apology uttered about this fact.
Since I have memories of reading advertising posts by Mr. Steeves to the
alt.tv.forever-knight newsgroup about the tour at least eight months ago,
perhaps more; I thought that they had had more than ample practice. It
would never have occurred to me, in the light of "ads" such as those and the
fact that I have been hearing about the Tour for almost as long as I've been
in fandom, to think that there was anything unusual about multiple-car Tours.
It also would have seemed prudent to me, were I in charge, to write up a
list of the things we were going to be stopping at (a good many of which are
listed in the FK FAQ, so it wouldn't have taken all that much extra time to
compile--- _ahead of time_, not at the last minute). None of these things
were done.
It would have been more than remiss, now that the FK Tour Guides are
considering doing the same thing for *another* very large group, the Taming
of the Shrew group; not to at least warn same that groupings larger than a
single car have in the immediate past been poorly planned and executed. Not
en masse, but I would definitely have warned them one on one in private mail
to think twice about going. *I* spent three hours concentrating all my brain
cells and muscles on trying to keep from throwing up in someone else's car.
It was not a pleasant experience by far, and to the best of my knowledge, no
one connected with the Tour ever told me they were sorry for it.
I have no doubt that the Tour Guides will learn from this previous mistake
and will be able to work up a good caravan tour for the Shrew crowd. I thank
my Tour Guides for what they did do for me as well; but it is unrealistic to
allow nothing other than enthusiastic promotion to go non-stop as if there
*were* no negatives about the FK Tour and never had been! Reading Mr.
Steeves' post, one could get the idea that *he* thinks it was the passengers'
fault for not having a good time!! Yes, everyone makes mistakes, and I
accept this; but I do honestly not recall anyone taking any form of
*responsibility* for what happened on my Tour. It was all attributed to
mischance and the like, as if they had made no choices along the way. It
certainly wasn't my fault that the Tour didn't make arrangements to tell me
where I was going or what I was looking at. I could be a naif, but it seems
to me that if you're going to say you're experts at giving a tour, and have
been giving said tour for almost a year, and 1.) the tour falls far short of
expert and 2.) you have never done a large group tour before in that
whole year's time (and really, who would know this? The first I heard about
it was when I was going to get into the car. If someone says the word "tour"
to me, I generally don't think that means only *one* guest at a time) some
apologies would be in order. No one said to me, either in person or in
private email, "I'm sorry, it was _my fault_ for doing such and such"; no
one shouldered any blame.
The simple phrase, "I'm *sorry* we did not plan things better" would, for me,
have been balm to the soul. This phrase, as far as I can remember, was never
spoken.
That's all I'm going to say. Now I'm going to get back to the business at
hand: namely, folding my one hundred and first crane. And trying to
celebrate the afterglow of my twenty-fifth birthday this past Monday. This
particular dustup was NOT a great present to commemorate a quarter of a
century.
Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:05:00 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Dying For Fame (was popcorn scene)
At 07:59 AM 3/28/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>Actually, Dotti is mixing up two episodes here. The scene in False
>Witness happens in the Courtroom. The scene she's describing above
>happens in Dying for Fame when the night shift is called in during the
>day to handle crowd control and Nick bundles himself up to go out into
>the sunshine.
>
Oops, sorry. As I've only seen these episodes once when they were
originally broadcast and the fact that I'm over 40 (giggle) I tend to have
memory problems.....oops again.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:19:40 -0500
From: Beth Washington <Beth_Washington@a.......>
Subject: AirWolf
Since alot of people are asking this question, and I am an Airwolf fan,
Saturday was the first episode of Airwolf ever, starring Jan Micheal
Vincent. The last episode with Ger in it was Friday. There were only a
few episodes with the new cast.
I, myself, like the original episodes better. Though I like Ger very
much, I think he's a much better actor now in FK, than he was then!
-Cousin Beth
aka Biffer
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This is good. Beth Washington
This is real good! Quality Assurance Engineer
-Tempus Avid Technology, Tewksbury, MA
from Lois & Clark Beth_Washington@a.......
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:09:01 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: sc&va
<199603280610.WAA22765@m.......>
> >Lemme guess. Vachon=Moe, Screed=Larry, Urs=Curly? Or should the roles be
> >reversed between Screed and Urs? It doesn't suprise me. Those three do
> >make a motley bunch.
> <doing a double take> Urs=Curly? No, no, no, my dear. Urs is Larry.
> Curly is Screed. Despite the names, Curly was bald as a lightbulb. Now, if
> we could just get Screed in with the Airwolf hair, we'd have to change it to
> Shemp...
Well I thought it would be nice to have Urs as Curly because she has
curls in her blond hair. But you are right, Urs would fit the role of
Larry better. The more and more I think about it. I find it more
believable to find Curly rummaging through the garbage looking for rats than
Larry.
:)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:39:47 -0800
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Popcorn Scene
On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Dotti Rhodes wrote:
(about Nick testifying during the day)
> No. As I recall, he was totally covered from head to toe (with just his eyes
> peeking out) which Schanke totally accepted because he knows Nick has an
> "allergy to the sun" until he got into the courtroom. There was a scary
You're confusing a couple of episodes here. In "False Witness" Nat drove
Nick (in the trunk of his Caddy) into the underground parking at the
courthouse. The scene with Nick all covered up and Schanke asking if he
smelled barbeque was in oh shoot, the one with the rock singer--"Dying
for Fame!" when Stonetree called the night crew in early to take care of
the Rebecca crazyness.
Yeah, I've been copying 1st season for someone again, which is why this
is so clear in my head. I don't really have that great a memory! :)
The "popcorn scene", btw, was an ad-lib. Ger and the crew set up a little
practical joke on Catherine (you will notice that only the fangs and not the
contact lenses are used). Someone distracted Cathy, Ger slipped the fangs
in, and when she turned back to him he snarled. *Cathy* and not Nat threw
the popcorn and demanded he quit it. It worked so much better than the
scene as written that they decided to keep it!
Valery
kingv@u.......
p.s. Anyone coming to the World Horror Con in Eugene in May? InterKnight
Press has a table in the dealers room, so come by and say hello!
(FKZine publishers: if you don't have a rep there already, drop me a line
and maybe we can arrange something.)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:42:09 -0500
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: vamps for real or not
Cousin Susan Phoenix wrote:
<<Once you've watched someone's eyes glow and their canines elongate
(especially your own),you believe.>>
Ok, call me a cynic, but you wouldn't mind videotaping this phenomena for us
all, would you?? Are you serious or am I missing the humor?
^v^Cousin Michelle (who wants to see it with my own eyes or forget about it)
*****************************************************************************
"I don't care for conflict. It's a bit noisy, but I love the free food"-LC
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:05:40 -0500
From: Beth Washington <Beth_Washington@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Poll
So far we have only heard from those people who *do* believe in
vampires.
(Here's where I tie in my "History of Vampires" article)
Sorry, but I'm not one of them. Even after the research I have done,
one can believe that someone with the disease Porphyria, the anemia that
causes one to be pale and sensitive to sunlight and, their gums recede,
giving the impression of elongation, might think he/she was a vampire.
But vampires do not exist, at least not in the glorified, romantic image
that they have been drawn since Bram Stoker introduced Dracula. Spirits
inhabiting souless bodies, or today's tortured soul of the living dead
(which is what Nick is), are not real, but based in the superstitions of
people that have been gone a long time. When you die, you die... the
body decomposes and the spirit goes onto it's next destination (which
can be a variety of places based on your religion). There is nothing
that can re-animate a body and keep if from decomposing all at the same
time. Sure, you could drink a karaf of fromaldihyde (sp), but even that
wears off. Based in history, it was believed that blood was required to
keep the body from decomposing, sustaining the walking dead, (which is
why Nick crumbles in pain when he goes too long without a sip or two)
but we all know that blood does NOT have preservative properties. And
never mind being immortal, healing almost instantly, and being able to
fly... These are all dreams/nightmares of the superstitious.
Now don't get me wrong and do not take this note as a flame. Please!!!
Everyone believes what they believe, based on their own truths, and I am
tempted to believe if I am given *solid* proof, and I mean bullet proof
(pun intended)!
I do not believe in gosts, but I do believe in demons as the
counterparts of angels, who work in invisable ways, inside your mind,
inside your subsonscience, and they are easily kept at bay by the power
of your own will. I also believe there is intelligent life out in the
stars somewhere, and that Earth has been visited in the past, but I also
believe it is alot more complicated than Star Trek. I also believe in
the power of the mind, and the ability to astral travel. I did not
believe in this until a few years ago when I found proof that I had
actually done it. Scary thought! I thought it was just a really vivid
dream. But that's another story. I say this only to show that I do
have an open mind and am willing to explore news truths.
In conclusion, I love Forever Knight, and I enjoy it because it is a
good *story*, not based in reality. That's *why* I watch it. I will
continue to watch it as long as it is on TV (I don't get SciFi <sniff>).
I am fascinated with the vampire mythos, and I have Forever Knight to
thank for it. But not for a moment do I believe that vampires exist,
except in the minds of those fascinated by thier timeless story.
OK. I'll get off my soapbox before the tomatoes start flying. I hope
this was not too far off topic..... Hi Jamie! ;-)
-Cousin Beth
aka Biffer
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This is good. Beth Washington
This is real good! Quality Assurance Engineer
-Tempus Avid Technology, Tewksbury, MA
from Lois & Clark Beth_Washington@a.......
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:53:57 GMT
From: Misty Hamman <Misty_Hamman@s.......>
Subject: Yes, I messed up...again
Sorry, as everyone knows by now I confused
"Fever" with "the Fix" in my last little commentary.
Thanks to those whose who pointed it out.
My deepest apologies.
Regardless, now that I'm straight on the ep,
Fever was D*** Good. I felt it was very well
written, and very moving.
Again, sorry for yet another screw up.
(i think I'll stick to lurking for awhile...)
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Misty Hamman "There is no fear in love;
Cust Service but perfect love casteth out fear."
Saxon Publishers, Inc -1 John 4:18
Misty_Hamman@s.......
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:13:33 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: AirWolf
Re GWD in Airwolf, Beth wrote:
>I, myself, like the original episodes better. Though I like Ger very
>much, I think he's a much better actor now in FK, than he was then!
Well, Beth, you've got to cut the boy some slack; after all, the character
of Mike Rivers is a consummate jerk. I love to watch GWD play him, but if
Mike Rivers were to show up on my doorstep, I'd probably try to beat him up
for his insufferable chauvenist behavior. The show's direction seems really
uneven, too. It says a lot for GWD's acting (and extraordinary looks) that
I can stand to watch Airwolf at all!
Nick, OTOH, has tremendous depth and variability and gives GWD the
opportunity to display the range of his acting talents, even if he does
have to be angst-y all the time.
Stephanie Babbitt
(who is beginning to sound like a Knightie, despite being a Vaquera)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:17:04 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Okay Guys, Enough
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 Carrie400@a....... wrote:
> I just want you to know that you are one of the true joys of this list. I do
> so enjoy your humor and good nature. Please keep it up, we all need it. Me
> especially, some days, it's the difference between smiling and moping. I
> really appreciate it.
Ok, my early morning pre-work/school haze made me forget to send the most
important part of my response:
Aside from what I said before about making my day...I also wanted to
include that the feeling is most certainly mutual.
I rely, probably too heavily, on the list to help keep me from moping. So
when things get nasty around here I end up feeling twice as bitchy and
cynical.
So thanks again Carrie...for everything, not the least of which is
consistantly feeding my fanfic addiction.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker: who is *both* a Nick&NatPacker & Valentine
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:38:14 -0500
From: Susan Honig <Susankenn@a.......>
Subject: Re: Starlog letter
sherry
Your letter was published in April's Starlog.
SUE
susankenn@a.......
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:52:59 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: vamps for real or not
>Cousin Susan Phoenix wrote:
> <<Once you've watched someone's eyes glow and their canines elongate
>(especially your own),you believe.>>
Cousin Michelle responded:
>Ok, call me a cynic, but you wouldn't mind videotaping this phenomena for us
>all, would you?? Are you serious or am I missing the humor?
If I can, I will. However, it's hard to predict. I am quite serious. It
usually happens when I'm annoyed, hungry, angry, or, er, HAPPY, but not
always. I'll try to get it on tape (if I can find where dad hid the
camcorder). Might be a while, tho. Teeth are more common than eyes.
Note: This half relates to odd canines, and half to NiQ. My canines are
higher up in my gums than what I think is normal, with the roots a good half
inch or more above the rest of my teeth. Did anyone catch something like
this on Nick's X-ray? I need to go back over the ep, I think. Also, my
teeth are more angular than normal, and one upper-lower set can slice metal.
Really, to get to a vein/artery, one set of canines makes more sense than
two. The human(oid) mouth isn't shaped to bite into something like that
straight on, but if you went at an angle, it would work.
No, I don't bite (often), and the privilege (?) is restricted to a few
people (bf, a couple of friends, one of which is the half-vamp). I usually
don't break skin.
Still insisting she's not a total looney,
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter member of the as-yet unnamed LaCroix/Nick Fractured Fraction.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE: The Secret's In The Sauce!
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:08:26 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: The popcorn scene and fangs
Re the "False Witness" practical joke popcorn scene, Katja wrote:
>When I saw the scene, I *really* couldn't understand why Nick would vamp
>out at Natalie. Now it makes sense (but I wouldn't have left it in).
I first saw this ep a couple of weeks ago, thanks to a local saint who gave
me a copy (hi, Sarah!). The tag scene freaked me out, too. I must have
rewound and rewatched that thing 50 times trying to figure out what in the
world was going on. I finally decided Nick showed his fangs and growled at
Nat to make a point about being the "someone" who broke the innocent
musician out of jail. Now that I know it was a practical joke, it makes
more sense, especially GWD's expression as he's pelted with popcorn (trying
not to grin openly, as the fangs are still in--you can tell, they're
shinier than his own teeth).
Someone posted that GWD slipped the fangs in quickly while CD was
distracted. I'd done the freeze-frame thing on various scenes, trying to
figure out how the fangs worked before (yes, I'm A/R), and I'd concluded
that each fang was an individual piece that fit over the actor's eyetooth.
However, if they can go in that fast, they must be a single piece, like an
orthodontic retainer. Also, has anyone else ever noticed that GWD holds his
toungue forward when they're in? (Those of us who've worn braces can
relate). Now, would someone in the know like to inform the curious masses
as to how the teeth really work?
Stephanie Babbitt (stephanie.babbitt@g.......)
(whose Virgo-based obsession with detail is very annoying to friends and
coworkers)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:11:15 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Popcorn Scene
Dotti writes:
>I think I remember a funny line where the sun hit an open spot on Nick
>and he started to smoke a few minutes before Schanke got into the car.
>Schanke asked him if he'd been eating bar-b-que!! (giggle).
Nat took Nick to the court in False Witness and the only scenes Nick
had with Schanke were in the courthouse. I think you're thinking
about Dying for Fame (especially with the barbeque remark). Stonetree
wanted Nick to come in a bit early so he had to drive to work in the
late afternoon. This was because of a rock singer in town and they
had most of the available cops on duty to handle the crowds of fans in
town for her concert that night.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:15:20 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Pronunciation?
> how do you pronounce
>forkni-l? Or does anyone ever say it out loud? Would it be "fork nil"?
>"Fork nile"? I caught myself saying "fork N L" today...
I just say Fork-nite. I know it's not right, but that's what I say.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:07:14 GMT
From: Anne Toole <AMELY@a.......>
Subject: YKYBRTMF-LW...
You Know You've Been Reading Too Much Forkni-l When...
...in an attempt to learn colloquial Egyptian, instead of learning how to
say useful things like "How much are these tomatoes" you ask your Egyptian
friend how to say "*Nothing* is free" (LaCroix from Father's Day, I think)
...you're discussing the Arab-Israeli conflict, and it's brought up again
that some Arabs refer to the Israelis as their "cousins" and you think "ahh
..so *that's* the problem!" (Other people posited that it was because Israelis
would drive with their car lights on at like 2 in the afternoon, while Egypt-
ians will drive on into the night without their lights on...)
...you have a really, really cool dream about Nick and Nat well, well after
Nick has regained his mortality. I'd tell y'all, but my dream description
are just way too long.. so if you care, e-mail me :)
-Anne, the merc who would LOVE to see some FK but has to wait.. and wait.
amely@a.......
P.S. In my dream Nat said something really logical. I thought in dreams yo
weren't supposed to have anything analytical/mathematical/logical becaus
it was on the wrong side of the brain. Am I just way off?
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:40:33 CST
From: Don Durham <don.durham@d.......>
Subject: Re: Pronunciation?
In: "Re: Pronunciation?", mailed on Thu, 28 Mar 96 15:15:20 CST , Margie
Hammet wrote:
>
> > how do you pronounce
> >forkni-l? Or does anyone ever say it out loud? Would it be "fork nil"?
> >"Fork nile"? I caught myself saying "fork N L" today...
>
> I just say Fork-nite. I know it's not right, but that's what I say.
>
> Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
>
Don Durham replied:
I, and several of my compatriots, refer to it as "The Forever Knight Mailing
List"
OK so I am Anal-Retentive (and yes, by Uncle, there is a hyphen). I will
freely admit it, and check into the next twelve-step program I can find.
Now I lay me down to bed, |
Darkness can't engulf my head, |Cousin Don
I can see by infrared, |Don.durham@d.......
God I love the night! LL after Marvin,tPA |
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