FORKNI-L
Digest - 11 Mar 1996
Mon, 11 Mar 1996
There are 22 messages totalling 621 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Screed and JMR's new word
2. Thank you
3. Missing fiction pieces....
4. Screed
5. Nat/LC in 96! --and-- Words
6. Concealed Members
7. JMR's new word (2)
8. Casting - Star Trek:TNG production
9. Nigel on "Star Command"
10. Urs & Death (was Burning Up and Teeth)
11. Parent Advisory (2)
12. Episodes (We Hope) Never Were
13. Nick's blood type?
14. NetRatings for Forever Knight
15. Remember Canada?
16. CD phone #
17. This 'n' That
18. Unwilling vampires
19. Out of touch-Need help
20. Jeez! Forgot to tell y'all...
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:02:21 -0500
From: "[M A Martin]" <mmartin@b.......>
Subject: Re: Screed and JMR's new word
Roxanna Reeves wrote:
> Well, if you want Screed subtitles, and you have a fairly modern TV, then pop
> your "Fever" tape into the VCR, and set the Closed Captioning function on the
> TV set so you can see what he's saying.
Well, I've got a 2-year old Panasonic TV (and not a cheap one, either) but
it doesn't do closed captioning. Would some kind soul be willing to post
the CC translation of what Screed actually says about when he was first
brought across (re:dingoes and screamers)?
I looked up sangi* in Stedman's medical dictionary and the proper term to
describe bloodsuckers is sanguivorous (as applied to bats, leeches,
insects). There was no distinction made between ingesting animal vs human
blood (and I doubt there is such a term (blood is blood, in this case),
but I could be wrong).
Meg (mmartin@b.......)
Dark Knightie, for those who are counting...
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:03:51 -0800
From: Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Thank you
>I tried to do something with my contacts at the Washington Post, but the show
>didn't air in the vicinity, so it was nixed. Unfortunately, a late night show
>about vampires IS a tough sell to most of the press. We don't have to like
>it, but that's the reality of the business in TV and journalism.
On behave of all the list, we thank you for any and all the efforts you have
made.
"Cousin Cherri" <cdmunoz@e.......> Valentine, Sime/Gen
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:16:57 -0500
From: Shannon Thompson <celtic@j.......>
Subject: Missing fiction pieces....
Hi All!
Was going through some of my fic today and found out I was missing some
things. If anyone can help me out on these, I'd be *so* appreciative (and
what's this about War 7 coming....)
This is what I'm missing definitely, for sure:
Parts 16-33 of Out of Darkness by Marcia Tucker (I think. Sorry if it's the
wrong author :< ).
These two I'm not sure if there's more of or not...
Boredom by Julie Randolph, I have up to Part 5 and
Road Trip by Lara Negami, I have up to Part 6
Was there more to either of these?
I believe all of these were sent out early January when I ended up no-mail
on the FIC list....these things happen, but now I need the rest of these.
Thanks so much for the help...
Shannon
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:23:00 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Roxanna Reeves wrote:
>Closed Captioning function on the TV set so you can see what he's saying.
Actually, I've tried this (not for Screed, btw <g>; usually for DD or Mr.
Paul on HL) and the funny thing is that while the CC works perfectly fine
for the darn *commercials*, it doesn't function for the *show*!
Is this just a problem with *my* set?
***Amy(Amy R.)r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner; Light Cousin)
"Love is too young to know what conscience is
Yet who knows not conscience is born of love?" -- W.S. Sonnet 151
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:31:26 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nat/LC in 96! --and-- Words
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
>
> You'd have Nat: strong yet feminine, compassionate, level-headed, appealing
> to the sector of the population who'd love to elect a woman president.
Hillary Clinton? Liddy Dole? I mean, my very first vote was cast
for Shirley Chisholm in a presidential primary, but ... no way I'm voting
for Liddy Dole *or* her husband.
> you'd have LaCroix: a military man, authoritative, willing to take a hard
> line on social issues (Welfare reform? Drain 'em all and let the vampires
> sort 'em out) and not about to take any bull from petty foreign dictators,
> appealing to the sector of the population who believe in a forceful
> government presence.
Ike? "I like Luke?" Colin Powell? Stormin' Norman? George C.
Patton? I'm getting real scared here.... Admiral Elmo Zumwalt MAYBE, but
he's way too touchy-feely for LC...
> campaign: Nick could be the outspoken advocate for human rights, appealing
> to the sector that wants a champion;
Gary Hart. Anderson. Clean-for-Gene McCarthy (Nick's too nice to be
McGovern). Dare I say... Ted? OK, never mind. How 'bout RFK, for those
of us who remember him?
while Janette would appear at all the
> society functions, satisfying the desires of those who like glamour and
> that luscious hint of scandal
one word: Jackie
... and Vachon could pop up here and there
> like an analog to Roger Clinton or Billy Carter, stirring things up and
> making trouble, being the 'black sheep' of the administration and therefore
> making them seem all the more accessible to the common man...
noooooo... Stephanopoulos, maybe. Jody Powell, even. Not
stinkin drinkin pee-on-a-building-in-front-of-the-press Billy. Never,
never never. These guys are waaaay uncool. Nuclear furnace uncool.
You know who Vachon would really be? James Carville. The sly
one who never has to take responsibility and gets to say cool things
like "I wouldn't piss down his throat if his heart was on fire" (a
genuine Carville line).
> Words: Re the "sanguiniverous" thing:
> Mostly, when I need a word and I don't know whether or not one already
> exists, I make up a term that sounds good (to me) and conveys the concept I
> have in mind by inference and context. There is precedent for this: it's
> basically how languages evolve over time.
sure. Sappho made up "bittersweet." Only in her poem, it's
"sweetbitter."
Ap.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:22:13 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Concealed Members
On Mar 11, 1996 15:00:32, 'Apache <lf@c.......>' wrote:
>You won't find him on the roster because, like the rest of
>> the 36 concealed members, he *is* concealed.
>Well, as Butch said to Sundance, looking down from high rocks at
>implacable pursuers... who are those guys?
Actually, at least one of the concealed memberships is mine.
There are other reasons for concealing memberships besides wanting to be
incognito: I do it to limit the number of e-mail addresses that come up for
me on "review", since many of them are subscribed to the list only for
forwarding purposes, and I really don't wanna get mail there otherwise, and
I've found that I have a tendency to accumulate mail at any address that
*isn't* set to conceal. Obviously, I'm not trying to pretend I'm not
here...
The thing is that concealing one's membership in order to lurk in secrecy
and/or limit incoming e-mail is only effective if you don't post to the
list from that address. So in certain cases, I kind of sort of fail to see
the point. <g>
Apache also wrote:
>And how could I leave a possible comment about "concealed
>members" untouched?...
Which are you not leaving untouched, dear? The comment, or the "concealed
members"?
(Any further comments on this part of the thread should probably go to
JADFE <eg>)
--
..............Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>..............
Asst. Listowner, SFK WebGoddess, Cinnamon Natpacker, Merc-MIA
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** Check back after her Saturn Return on April Fool's Day. **
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:37:37 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: JMR's new word
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, [M A Martin] wrote:
> I looked up sangi* in Stedman's medical dictionary and the proper term to
> describe bloodsuckers is sanguivorous (as applied to bats, leeches,
> insects). There was no distinction made between ingesting animal vs human
> blood (and I doubt there is such a term (blood is blood, in this case),
since such words are made simply by sticking on prefixes,
wouldn't it be either anthrosanguivorous or homosanguivorous, depending
on whether you're willing to mix a little Greek into your Latin or not?
Ap.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:40:29 -0700
From: Isis <isis@m.......>
Subject: Re: Casting - Star Trek:TNG production
>Wrong--K'Lar and Worf were mated--sounded married to me.
>Barb
But "mated" means they had sex, not that they were married. She refused to
take the oath.
Jaime
_______________________________________________
Isis@m....... Natpacker/Immortal Beloved/X-phile
Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul
goes up on the roof and gets stuck.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:48:29 -0800
From: Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel on "Star Command"
As Susan so kindly pointed out last week, "Star Command" will be on tonight.
This is just a remainder.
Thank you Susan for finding this program for us.
Cousin Cherri
At 08:46 PM 3/4/96 -0500, Susan wrote:
>8:00 PM Eastern on UPN on Monday the 11th will be airing "Star Command,"
>starring Chad Everett and Morgan Fairchild. Recent Gemini winner Nigel
>Bennett plays the evil leader of the Cynosuran Colonial Confederacy.
"Cousin Cherri" <cdmunoz@e.......> Valentine, Sime/Gen
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
Save FOREVER KNIGHT! NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:49:09 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Urs & Death (was Burning Up and Teeth)
On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Margie Hammet wrote:
> Urs wanted to die rather than be brought across...
That's right. Thank you to everyone for reminding me of it;
I must have just been suppressing "HoD" -- which is a lot of work,
considering I've seen the darn thing four times (would someone *please*
get TPTB to rerun *something* else?).
So, how does my structure of vampirism, which requires that
choice Nick recalled in "Near Death," account for Urs? If I may swipe
someone else's line, "I'm a Knightie; I can rationalize anything!" :)
Now that I'm recalling "HoD," I am remembering those bits where Vachon
implies that Urs's death wish is alive and well, and has been ever since
he brought her across. As a mortal, Urs wanted to die, but was unable
-- psychologically, religiously, or culturally -- to commit suicide. As
a vampire, she still seems to desire death, but has existed for quite
some time without taking her own life. I therefore hypothesize that
however much Urs wants death, she is intrinsically incapable of making that
decision for herself. Thus, when confronted with the choice between
mortal death and vampire life, Urs's inability to choose death brought her
across, for refusing to choose is also a choice.
(Note, Bonnela, a corollary to Urs's passivity...<g>)
***Amy(Amy R.)r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner; Light Cousin)
"Love is too young to know what conscience is
Yet who knows not conscience is born of love?" -- W.S. Sonnet 151
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:21:20 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory
Alora,
The number to order the FM CD at Crescendo is 1-000-000-0000.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
Nat Vamp Camp
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:15:00 EST
From: Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......>
Subject: Re: Episodes (We Hope) Never Were
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix sez:
>Nick discoveres the cure for vampyrism one night at Raven. .... and
>launched John Travolta to the big time. Yes, dear friends, I speak of that
>atrocity known only as (do I dare speak/type it's name?)...
>DISCO.
Now that's scary!<g> All I can think of is "Love At First Bite" with nick
dressed in a white(*gag*)suit dancing with Nat.*snort*
Maryann - the Knightie with a Nattitude majorge@i.......
* Knightie, Natpacker , N&Ner, Dark Nattie, Paris-ite, Janewayan *
********************************************************************************
And I have a life ... really ... it involves blond gorgeous men and art pencils.
I'm a renagade, rebel, and rogue!!
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:27:15 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Nick's blood type?
Okay, so far we know:
Schanke is A-
Natalie is AB-
But does anyone know Nick's blood type? Believe it or not, this may be
important for fanfic. We know Nat gave him a pint of Schanke's blood once,
and among humans you only give same type to same type (or O to anybody) but
we also know that vampire bodies don't seem to give a whoop about
blood-type incompatibilities.
Stephanie Babbitt
(Vaquera who obsesses about incredibly weird stuff)
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:17:50 -0500
From: Jeff Standish <jestandi@c.......>
Subject: NetRatings for Forever Knight
This Week's Syndicated Episode: #308, Trophy Girl
Last Week's Syndicated Episode: #307, Hearts of Darkness
Season 3 Episodes Rating Max Min StdDev # Votes
----------------------------------- ------ ----- ----- ------ -------
301 The Black Buddha, Part 1 6.85 10.00 3.00 1.44 54
302 The Black Buddha, Part 2 6.97 10.00 3.00 1.46 49
303 Outside the Lines 5.63 9.00 1.00 1.93 41
304 Blackwing 7.74 10.00 3.00 1.50 49
305 Blind Faith 6.51 10.00 1.00 2.16 43
306 My Boyfriend is a Vampire 7.81 10.00 4.00 1.46 50
307 Hearts of Darkness 6.51 10.00 3.00 1.70 43
308 Trophy Girl 6.74 10.00 1.00 1.91 36
309 Let No Man Tear Asunder 7.38 10.00 3.00 1.61 42
310 Night in Question 9.42 10.00 2.00 1.20 61
311 Sons of Belial 9.20 10.00 6.00 1.04 51
312 Strings 6.85 10.00 3.00 1.59 28
313 Fever 9.50 10.00 7.50 0.79 33
314 Dead of Night 8.80 10.00 6.00 1.01 29
315 The Games Vampires Play 7.98 10.00 3.00 1.69 26
316 The Human Factor 8.14 10.00 2.00 2.20 29
317 Avenging Angel 6.14 8.00 1.00 1.92 11
318 Fallen Idol 7.50 10.00 5.00 1.45 12
Number of Episodes: 18
Votes per Episode: 38.17
Average Rating: 7.54
Weighted Average: 7.61
Rating is the average rating from those gathered to date.
Max is the highest rating received.
Min is the lowest rating received.
StdDev is the standard deviation of the collected ratings.
# Votes is the total number of votes counted for that episode.
How does it work?
E-mail me (jestandi@c.......) your vote for a given episode,
telling me the name of the episode and how you would rate it on a
scale of 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest). If you don't know the name of
an episode, you can check out the episode guide at:
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/FK/Episodes/episode_guide.html
I accept votes for the current week's episode, along with all previous
episodes (including those from previous seasons). A listing of all votes
received for each episode is available from the main web page, listed by
e-mail name (full e-mail addresses are withheld for validation purposes).
The current ratings for Forever Knight are posted weekly to
alt.tv.forever-knight and rec.arts.sf.tv, the Forever Knight mailing
list, and can also be found over the web at the following address:
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi/fk-ratings.html
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Jeff Standish The concept is simply
jestandi@c....... staggering. Pointless,
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi.html but staggering. -Dr. Who
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:18:36 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Remember Canada?
> However, why do I have the feeling that against all obvious logic, LaCroix
> would somehow prove to be very popular with the religious right?
Absolutism is absolutism, in whatever form... <g> Talking "family
values," LaCroix style... They'd admire his "firm discipline"...
sympathize with how hard he's tried to keep his family together...
condemn his horribly unfilial son... revel in his consistency... praise his
military experience...
Actually, the thought of LC as president is less frightening than
the thought of a certain person now running on that base... At least
LC could be trusted to preserve the human race... if not any specific
members thereof. <g>
***Amy(Amy R.)r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner; Light Cousin)
"Love is too young to know what conscience is
Yet who knows not conscience is born of love?" -- W.S. Sonnet 151
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:18:58 -0500
From: Kimberly Bjarkman <flowper@o.......>
Subject: Re: CD phone #
Alora wrote:
> ObFK: Would someone please send me the phone number for Cresiendo (sp?)
> so I can order Fred Molins CD? Thanks
It's 1-000-000-0000. It's not out yet (as of end of last week
when I called), but they're taking orders in advance.
Kim, flowper@o.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:34:32 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: This 'n' That
Christina,
NB has already been on Beyond Reality. The ep is called Sins Of The
Father. He plays a doctor who has a moment of indiscretion with another
woman in the basement of his house. His pregnant wife finds them. One
thing leads to another, and the wife kills the other woman. The wife then
goes into shock and can't remember the incident. NB's character protects
his wife by hiding the body and keeping quiet. Years pass, and it's
discovered that the wife's supressed memories of the murder were passed on
to her unborn child in the womb. The ep. deals with the consequences of
that situation.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
Nat Vamp Camp
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:24:36 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Unwilling vampires
This is partly in response to Amy's comments about why Urs is a
vampire. There is a first season episode where a woman is not only
brought over while unconscious, but apparently carries a big grudge
about it. This episode is Fatal Mistake and the woman is the
barmail Alexandra. Nick "parties" with her (quite erotically too ;) )
in the flashback (which seems to be Three Musketeer's era?). But of
course too much "romantic" activity brings out his beast and he bites
her. He thinks he's killed her. LC comes along after Nick has gone
and finds out "There's life in you yet.", drains some of his blood
into a cup, puts some in her mouth and brings her over.
Well, in the present day, Alexandra shows up in Toronto with revenge
on her mind. Even though LC brought her across, she blames Nick for
having given her death and leading her to her "eternal damnation"
and seems determined to kill Nick. Even though it won't change what
has happened to her, she wants his head on her mantle. Of course she
doesn't kill Nick, but she's still alive after their fight we see at
the end of the episode.
So, although Alexandra has lived as a vampire for many years, she's
apparently somewhat displeased at her circumstances since she wants
to kill Nick. So how does she fit into your theory, Amy?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
PS--Maybe it's just a matter of we all would rather live than die,
even if it means we're vampires?
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:21:25 -0800
From: Lisa Reeves <ad483@d.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory
Annmarie wrote:
> well aware of what is being seen in my house. And to keep this on topic..how
> many parents here allow their children to watch FK? I do. I wonder how many
> developed their love of vampires et al through "Dark Shadows" (which I
> started watching when I was around 12) and carried that over to FK?
My son is well and truly addicted. <gryn> He's 9, and thinks Nick is "cool".
Personally, compared to some of the drek they show for kids, this is positive
to me.
--
Lisa Reeves @-->--->--- | ad483@d.......
GDFN Help Staff | Mercenary for Chocolate
Save Forever Knight! Site for details:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:28:04 -0500
From: knust lisa m <lmknus@m.......>
Subject: Out of touch-Need help
You know, I think more of my messages are desperate pleas for
assistance...oh well.
Does anyone know when Human Factor and Fallen Idol will be on
again? My uncle has been taping eps for me and he missed those two and
I've been offline at home, so I'm not up on what's been going on on the list.
Thanks!
Lisa Knust
lmknus@m.......
"For the Blood is the Life..."
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:33:41 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: JMR's new word
I have my very own subject line. Oh, my.
On Mar 11, 1996 15:37:37, 'Apache <lf@c.......>' wrote:
>since such words are made simply by sticking on prefixes,
>wouldn't it be either anthrosanguivorous or homosanguivorous, depending
>on whether you're willing to mix a little Greek into your Latin or not?
True. These would be acceptable words.
But quite frankly, that second one just doesn't have the connotation I'm
going for...
--
..............Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>..............
Asst. Listowner, SFK WebGoddess, Cinnamon Natpacker, Merc-MIA
"Now??? We're getting strange NOW???" -- Dianne la Mercenaire
****** Sorry, but Jamie is not coherent at the moment. ******
** Check back after her Saturn Return on April Fool's Day. **
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:41:10 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Jeez! Forgot to tell y'all...
...I just got off the phone with one Justin Ware, writer for some magazine
called Internet Underground. I've never heard of it, but they have a web
page at http://www.underground-online.com/
...he's doing an article about the efforts to save cancelled shows on the
internet, and for some odd reason, he wanted to talk to me...
...so I told him as much as I could about our efforts, as eloquently and
extensively as possible.
I kept meaning to post about this, and I kept forgetting; it's sheer chance
that he caught me off-line, 'cause I forgot he was supposed to call. Damn
this head injury, anyway...
...but I don't think I forgot anything of importance; I can't remember my
own street address anymore, but I know the web page URL by heart... <g>
So with a little luck, we'll get some more publicity out of this. Hope
y'all don't mind.
--
..............Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>..............
Asst. Listowner, SFK WebGoddess, Cinnamon Natpacker, Merc-MIA
"Now??? We're getting strange NOW???" -- Dianne la Mercenaire
****** Sorry, but Jamie is not coherent at the moment. ******
** Check back after her Saturn Return on April Fool's Day. **
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