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Digest - 10 Mar 1996 - Special issue

Sun, 10 Mar 1996

There are 43 messages totalling 1017 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Elvis, moles, & tortillas
  2. alternate LaCroix (ST casting)
  3. Burning Up and Teeth (longish) (5)
  4. Faction Groupings
  5. Why Vamps burn up in the sun, etc... =)
  6. Fever (3)
  7. Carouches (6)
  8. Nat's parents
  9. Nigel and Blu on "Madeline" (2)
 10. <none>
 11. Perry's first kill
 12. Why vampires burn up in the sun (long) (2)
 13. B5 and Fraction names...
 14. Parent Advisory (3)
 15. New presidential candidate. (6)
 16. to person offering nightcrawler tapes
 17. faction names
 18. Fangs and Blood Sucking (2)
 19. Janette gifs
 20. YKYBW.....
 21. e: Carouches
 22. New Game: Favourite Episodes That Never Were.

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:03:15 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Elvis, moles, & tortillas

Tippi wrote:
> Okay, I got a chuckle out of Tracy -- sweet little Tracy who had a cat
named Fluffy and probably wears flannel granny-gowns -- believing in
vampires.  But I'd rather she *didn't* know.
        I was pondering the ultimate FK alternate universe this morning,
and came up with a scenario where Janette never left the Raven; Schanke
never died; Vachon and Urs did come to Toronto and the Inca did die; and
Tracy is some sort of rookie who occasionally gets to work with Nick and
Schanke!  Tracy can know about Vachon, if we want her to, but we still
get to have in-jokes in front of Shanke.  On the other hand, Tracy can
know Vachon, but *not* know he's a vampire -- face it, there is no one who
ought to be more "whammyable" than Tracy!
        Of course, to cover everyone in this set-up, episodes would have
to run about three hours; anyone mind? :)

***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"That thereby beauty's rose might never die" -- W.S. Sonnet 1

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:07:02 -0000
From:    Lane Lombardia <longpath@d.......>
Subject: alternate LaCroix (ST casting)

On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, vicki jean merriman wrote:

>Gotta disagree.  Trelane was a baby, toying with people in an imature
>fashion and being totally immature when thwarted.  LC is manipulative in
>a mature way;  if thwarted he gets angry, or amused and pretends it
>doesn't matter and seeks another path to his goals.  He doesn't stomp his
How about Khan Noonian Singh (Ricardo Montalban)?

Think it over...

Lane Lombardia
Recruiter, Mercenary Guild

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:09:38 GMT
From:    Hilary Doda <katya@i.......>
Subject: Re: Burning Up and Teeth (longish)

Amy asked:
> There are Dark Knighties; is there any room for a Light Cousin? <g>),

Ooh...Cousin Lite...all the fun of lusting after LaCroix, while keeping your
sense of humour!  No burning need to pull obnoxious pranks on people (read:
the Knighties), perfect for those who still have some seblance of a
conscience left...:)=

Dona Katya
 * Raven * X-Phile * FFFROGie * Crusader * Mother of the WCP *

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:11:14 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Burning Up and Teeth (longish)

On Mar 10, 1996 13:45:36, 'Amy R. <r......@w.......>' wrote:


>I am so impressed by these scientifically-based theories!
>I am absolutely stunned by everyone's expertise.

Oh, just you wait until the next time the list starts dissecting the finer
points of history.  It's amazing, the stuff that happens here...!

>...I am convinced that FK is fantasy....
>That does not rule out scientific explanation -- <snip> --
>but it does locate the essential value of FK outside scientific rationalism
>and logical continuity (as if we didn't know that already... <g>).

Personally, I have just about a diametrically opposed view.  I don't think
there's anything that can't be explained away somehow, in some sort of
semi-plausible fashion.  I've always, therefore, subscribed to the theory
of vampirism-as-a-virus or some such thing, as opposed to being a
supernatural manifestation.

But I do love the fact that it's been left ambiguous enough that there's
room enough for both of our interpretations! Especially when people end up
citing the same episodes and scenes to illustrate and support contrasting
points of view...

>I offer, as my prime example, Nick's memory of being brought across in
>"Near Death."  Whatever physical "virus" was transmitted to him, he had
>to choose to accept it in order for it to change him.

I don't accept Nick's memory as being a true memory; I consider that to
have been an internal vision, e.g. a scenario that existed only inside his
head rather than a chronicling of actual events.  This is one of these
things that can be interpreted in a dozen ways: Nick chose between
good/death and evil/life; Nick was experiencing some sort of telepathic
vision inflicted by LaCroix; Nick was hallucinating, or merely dreaming, as
his body fought to repel the invasion of the vampire virus...  the 'choice'
could be simply symbolic of his body's surrender; or a conscious choice to
surrender -- it's entirely possible that if he'd chosen not to accept the
'virus', it would have taken hold anyway.  There's evidence that one
doesn't necessarily have to consciously 'accept' the virus in order to be
made a vampire; there have been others who've been brought across against
their will.

>I suppose that I'm simply arguing for the essential
>inexplicability of FK vampness, as much as I'm loving the breadth of the
>explanations offered.

All these theories.  Ain't it great?  <g>  The question: what are the
'rules' of the FK universe?  The answer: depends on who you ask...

>Frankly, I've always found it slightly amusing that simply sticking in
their teeth
>is supposed to *remove* all that blood.  A telekinetic transfer is much more
>plausible.

I just think they've got incredible suction. <vbg>  And I subscribe to the
retractable-fangs concept, myself.

>There are Dark Knighties; is there any room for a Light Cousin? <g>

There is room for everyone.  Dark Knighties, Light Cousins, Morose
Perkulators, Mercs who work for free...

<Dianne, I'm just kidding!  Dianne... put down the sword, Dianne... I take
it back!  I take it back!  Here, have some chocolate... have another copy
of that photograph...>

--
-----Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>---<NatPakJami on AOL>
----------Cinnamon Natpacker, Ath-otCoS, S.I. of TG(tm)
---------------and clinging to Mercdom by the skin of my teeth
Oh, yeah, and I got this asst. listowner/webgoddess thing going, too.
http://members.aol.com/JamieMR777/NotHomePage.html

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:23:09 CST
From:    Kelley Leverich <LEVERICH@l.......>
Subject: Re: Faction Groupings

    A curl of urchins for the Urs faction?

    A pride of cousins for LaCroix's kids?

    I liked the murder of ravenettes for "Herself".


                            --  kelley

    Uncertainty and mystery are energies of life.  Don't let them
 scare you unduly, for they keep boredom at bay and spark creativity.
                                 - R.I. Fitzhenry

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:39:17 -0600
From:    Raven <ab950@s.......>
Subject: Why Vamps burn up in the sun, etc... =)

        Well, for the pure sake of hopping on the bandwagon, I'll forward
my idea...  Vampires sizzle when they come in contact with religious
objects, right?  I'd like to think of it as being a reaction of the
vampire to the vast amount of 'faith' put into the symbol or idea by
great numbers of people throughout the years.  I also don't like the
scientific theories of vampirism, BTW. ;)  If vampires existed In real
life(that I knew of =), I'd be explaining away, but as far as FK goes, I
WANT vampirism to be super-natural.  So, the sizzle when coming in
contact with religious symbols is a product of the vampire's inherit
'soulessness' or 'evilness' coming in contact with something that had
been imbued with the belief and souls of hundreds of peoples. =)

        Ok, that background filled in, let us think about the sun.  Since
prehistoric times, the sun has been a object of worship.  Although it has
lost promenince in relitivly recent times, as far as organizaed religion
goes, it still revieves the overwhealming faith that the sun WILL rise
tomorrow.  So, in effect, the sun and it's light is like one big
'super-cross' hanging in the sky.  Same can go for fire, it has been a
object of worship for alot longer than anything so modern as gods. =)

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:58:05 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Fever

Barbara wrote: >Tracy's blood had the scent of fruit, what about Nat?
Tippi answered:>She looks like a cinnamon to me, or possibly vanilla.
>I'd have to go with a food smell, tho I don't know why.
        It is ridiculous how much I want to know this -- canonically.
We still have four episodes to go, and the one thing I want in them more
than anything (excepting my personal version of the ending and an
announcement of a fourth season, of course <g>) is Nick telling Nat what
scent her blood has!  Silly, huh? :)
        But I would also insist on a food smell, for two reasons.  One,
Nat is a very *homey* person, when she's given the chance -- I think we
determined she was a Cancer, didn't we? -- and food evokes security.
Corollary: They always have Nat eating, in order to emphasize that Nick
isn't.  Thus, food=Nat.  And two, I suspect that Vachon's comparison of
Tracy to fruit is mainly psychological.  Vampires can't eat; blood is
vampire food; vampires may remember food and its delights, and make a
psychological connection...  Not to mention LC's "wine and honey"
comments in "TG."
        And as our revered webgoddess has declared herself a cinnamon
Natpacker... perhaps that's an insight that should be examined? :)

***** Amy R. r......@w....... ***************
(Lady of the Knight; Light Cousin; Classic Ravenette; N&Ner;
Cinnamon-and-Sugar Natpacker; Fleur-Booster; Ex-Nevermore)
See what happens when you watch half of second season in a single weekend?

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:03:32 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches

Ummmm... has it occured to anyone else that, by Nick's value system and
most human value systems, Carouche behavior is generally morally superior
to "higher" Vampire behavior?
        (Just wallowing in factions today, aren't I?)
***** Amy R. r......@w....... ***************
(Lady of the Knight; Light Cousin; Classic Ravenette; N&Ner;
Cinnamon-and-Sugar Natpacker; Ex-Nevermore; Fleur-Booster)

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:09:25 EST
From:    Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches

Tippi Wrote : " but I've gotten the impression on more than one occasion that if
a mortal went and
drank a pint of vampire blood he'd become "infected" and become a vampire
himself."

I know what you're alluding to and that's not the case.  Yes, in the first two
seasons they have shown that in order to bring someone across one has to be
drained to the point of death and then given blood from the vampire bringing
them across.  Also, that was shown in "Dead of Night" but Nick didn't get a
chance to finish coz he blew it by taking a tad too much (no more said just in
case it's still under spoiler protection).  The change that comes over people
when taking vampire blood without being drained first, is just the physical
change of the body healing itself whether it's against aging or as we saw in
"Fallen Idol".  It doesn't really make you a vampire, it simply gives you the
power to regenerate damaged goods.


Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever

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Date:    Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:11:13 EST
From:    CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject: Nat's parents

Hi Guys,
Quick question....has it ever been mentioned if Natalie's parents are still
alive?
I'm sure it was probably mentioned in the episode with Richard,but I'm
drawing a blank at the moment.:-)


                          Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
                         Knightie,Nick&Natpacker,Optimist's club
                         Vaquera
            "You're the only supernatural friend I have."Tracy to Vachon

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:21:49 CST
From:    L'Phantom <jrarmstr@p.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches

The change that comes over people
> when taking vampire blood without being drained first, is just the physical
> change of the body healing itself whether it's against aging or as we saw in
> "Fallen Idol".  It doesn't really make you a vampire, it simply gives you the
> power to regenerate damaged goods.

I remember some random episode in which a vampire injected women with vampire
blood in order to keep them young, but without bringing them across.

I'd tend to agree with whomever said that an abundance of human blood would
eventually overpower the "virus-or-whatever" in the vampire blood which is
why a substantial amount has to be removed to bring someone across.

Inside your mind, as always,
L'Phantom
--Cousin-in-training
http://bsc.edu/~jrarmstr/
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Date:    Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:18:59 EST
From:    MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: Nigel and Blu on "Madeline"

Just want to let everyone know that Nigel and Blu are on some of the
episodes of "Madeline" that are now being shown here (they're dated
1995).  Mind you, I haven't really recognized their voices in any
episodes yet, except for maybe one Scottish accent in one episode.
But they're listed in the credits of every show.

"Madeline" is a cartoon, and so only their voices are used.  Louise
Vallance is the voice of Miss Clavel (the nun/teacher who runs the
school that Madeline and the other children attend) and also the voice
of Genevieve (their dog)...she actually does an incredible job on the
dog "voice"!  For those who don't know, Louise is Nigel's girlfriend,
and was also in at least one episode of FK - I'm hopeless on titles so
some one else is going to have to step in here and list them.

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"Hollywood North"!)    Via Internet:  gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:35:44 -0600
From:    Annmarie <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Burning Up and Teeth (longish)

At 10:09 PM 3/10/96 GMT, you wrote:

>Ooh...Cousin Lite...all the fun of lusting after LaCroix, while keeping your
>sense of humour!  No burning need to pull obnoxious pranks on people (read:
>the Knighties), perfect for those who still have some seblance of a
>conscience left...:)=

Whoa! I think Cousins have a wonderful sense of humor and a
conscience,albeit a vampiric one,but I think they do have one.  We just pass
it around and take turns with it <G>
After all, I found your post amusing...

Annmarie

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:14:04 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: <none>

CP wrote:
:        I just saw  Blind Faith again, and it said that a Kerosh (sp??) is a
:lower form of a vampire that feeds on rodents. When nick was talking to
:screed, screed mentioned that Keroshes (once again sp?) have been know to
:feed on cows. But doesn't nick drink cow?

A carouche is a lower form of vampire that feeds on vermin. It is made when
the first thing the vamp-to-be feeds on somthing other than human for the
first feed. They can feed on humans as well (such as Screed did in My
Boyfriend is a Vampire), but they prefer their vermin (such as happy Screed
and his clothesline full of rats).

Nick is a full vampire, prefers humans, but drinks cow to "redeem" himself.

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:24:45 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Perry's first kill

Barbara wrote:
:Perry's first kill was, as far was we know, human--he knilled the "Doctor
:of Love" rapist/murder.  BTW, that is killed, not knilled.

We don't know what his first kill was. He was "brought across" in the park
and revived in the park (or he wouldn't have been able to go back to Jody to
go home). Also, he was not in a blood frenzy while with Jody, so I suspect
he found *something* in the park (one of the squirrels?) before running back
to Jody. (Otherwise, Jody would probably have been his "first kill, any
kill".)

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:35:48 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun (long)

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix wrote:
:          Schaeferian Theory on Vamyrism, cause and effects, version 1:

Loved it with one exception:
:     The concept of a virus creating a vampyre makes some sense, but one
:fault is overlooked:  A virus attacks a cell in order to reproduce, usually
:taking the cell's nourishment, proteins, and genetic material in the process
:and reconstructing it into it's own.  Afterwards, the new viruses escape,
:destroying the cell in the process.

A "successful" virus does not kill its host, but lives in happy symbiosis
with the host. That's why the herpes viri (such as HHI, HH6, Zoster, EB)
can recur: they happily live in some of the body's cells until reactivation
occurs (to make us miserable but from their point of view to reproduce).
Many viri start out as nasty "kill your hosts" but mutate enough to be less
virulent (but stick around longer so it can reproduce longer).

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:42:52 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches

Wicked Cousin Tippi wrote:
: Plus, when Lacroix had
:Raleigh brought across, he employed the help of a carouche to do it.  To me,
:that implies that the carouche was necessary (after all, Lacroix isn't one to
:go asking for help willy nilly unless he really really needed it).

I figured it was because LC didn't want to get close enough to the dog to
bite it himself.

:Now I have a question.  Did Vachon bring Screed across or did he just find
:Screed somewhere and they decided to be friends?  If Vachon was the one who
:brought Screed across, then why'd he let Screed's first kill be an animal?

I don't think there's any canon on this one, but I thought that maybe Vachon
accidently brought him across and for some reason wasn't handy when Screed
needed his "blood fix". Maybe Vachon was on a ship back to the continent and
had a little meal off of Screed on the boat (very few females usually being
available under such circumstances) but Screed got away into the lower decks
(where there were usually lots of rats). Possibilities abound.

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:09:00 PST
From:    Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: B5 and Fraction names...

Raven wrote:

> This discussion reminds me of my thoughts of a Forever Knight/B5
> crossover. =)  Assuming Nick doesn't get 'mortalized', he and the other
> vamps would be around, although we'd be missing all our favirote
> mortals...

Funny you should say that.  My very first piece of FK fan fic was an
(unfinished) FK/B5 crossover.  As I recall, I had Janette running a
nightclub on the lower levels!

As for fraction names... I liked a "buffet of FoDs" and I also favour a
"menu of FoDs".

Christine Hawkins.
c.hawkins@n.......

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:45:23 -0500
From:    Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory

>Can ya believe it?  Sure, these past two episodes TG and HoD are both tres
>bizarre.  But a bona fide warning!  Anyone else have one in their city?


Got one for Highlander on WWOR in my town Beantown.  Nothing for FK,
though.  Hardly surprising.  It's on FOX 25.


Cathy
usleamys@u.......

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:45:33 -0500
From:    Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches

>About the animal thing...in Fever we're told that he was a sailor...and from
>some of his comments, it sounded like he was brought across while he was on
>board a ship.


Which comments were these?  I had a neat idea for some fanfic about
Screed's coming across, but if it isn't true, well, forget it.


Cathy
usleamys@u.......

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:48:39 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory

> >Can ya believe it?  Sure, these past two episodes TG and HoD are both tres
> >bizarre.  But a bona fide warning!  Anyone else have one in their city?

> Got one for Highlander on WWOR in my town Beantown.  Nothing for FK,
> though.  Hardly surprising.  It's on FOX 25.

I got one for Highlander last night too...I find it not so much
surprising as disturbing. I mean, hell, the evening news is worse. And
like someone else so astutely pointed out (I've forgotten who) Baywatch
is more upsetting.

The whole thing is ludicrous...and shows exactly the problems inherent
with the whole Presidential/Congressional V-chip thing. Rating
entertainment to keep something inappropriate away from children when
the "real" stuff, like news, is more disturbing than the ficticious
stuff...but I don't see anyone rating Dan Rather.

Ok, <getting off my soap box> sorry about that, sometimes it just gets
away from me <sheepish grin>.

I *expect* warnings on NYPDBlue, but FK (or HL for that matter)? Give me
a break!

Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:17:54 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Burning Up and Teeth (longish)

Jamie wrote:
> I don't accept Nick's memory as being a true memory; I consider that to
> have been an internal vision... --<big ol' snip>--...
> there have been others who've been brought across against their will.
        "FK: Ambiguities-R-Us"  :)
Of course, I still haven't seen anyone brought across against their will
-- Nevermore, anyone? -- but my version, where it is a true memory, requires
that each individual choose a vampire's existence over mortal death in
order to "come across."  Thus, those brought across against their will
still make that choice, but are forced into it -- psychologically
cornered.  Do any of the examples of people being brought across against
their will conclusively contradict this?  I really am curious.

***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"That thereby beauty's rose might never die" -- W.S. Sonnet 1

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:23:00 PT
From:    Tami LaFrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: New presidential candidate.

Yes, let's begin that thread. Janette for president. Write her in.
Fashion returns to the white house.

Tami LaFrank                   : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette     :
Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : Eat a live frog first thing in the
"Come in, relax. We're dying   : morning and nothing worse can happen
   to prolong your life"       : to you for the rest of the day.

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:36:16 E
From:    Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject: to person offering nightcrawler tapes

The message I sent last night (complete with typos) was written
very late and was not very clear so I am going to try again.
This is to the very nice person offering copies of the nightcrawler
tape she made.
I received the info you sent me but I accidentally deleted it along
with your name and email address.  Can you please email me again??

My apologies to all. If I had a direct address, I would not be
bothering the whole list.

Debra
fiorini@a.......

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:42:28 -0900
From:    Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: faction names

How about a donut of FoDs?
Barbara

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:27:57 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel and Blu on "Madeline"

:"Madeline" is a cartoon, and so only their voices are used.  Louise
:Vallance is the voice of Miss Clavel
:For those who don't know, Louise is Nigel's girlfriend,
:and was also in at least one episode of FK - I'm hopeless on titles so

My Boyfriend is a Vampire.  ;)

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
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Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!grendal

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:23:00 EST
From:    Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.

>Yes, let's begin that thread. Janette for president. Write her in.
>Fashion returns to the white house.

Ummmm, last time we saw Janette she was wearing denim (heh, heh, heh)
(Knightie now runs and ducks for cover)
Maryann - the Knightie with a Nattitude                  majorge@i.......
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And I have a life ... really ... it involves blond gorgeous men and art pencils.

I'm a renagade, rebel, and rogue!!

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:31:50 -0500
From:    Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches

L'Phantom wrote:

>I'd tend to agree with whomever said that an abundance of human blood would
>eventually overpower the "virus-or-whatever" in the vampire blood which is
>why a substantial amount has to be removed to bring someone across.

But but but!

Here's why I thought you'd have to have blood left in you in order to be
brought across:  We have seen how quickly someone who was *almost* dead snaps
back after they've been brought across.  That'd hafta mean the new vampire
blood got circulating pretty quick, which means you'd have to have something
for it to be circulating *in*.  Unless it's injected right in the ol' heart,
which would pump it out again.

And in those times when people got transfusions of vampire blood, it was
always *just a little bit*.  If human blood could overwhelm vampire blood,
then Nick woulda been cured that time when (oh gosh what was the name of the
episode where the flashback has him being drained by a 1700's or 1800's
doctor?  Was that The Fix?) he was drained.  Or certainly now Nat could drain
all the vampire blood out of him and juice him up with human blood.  I
personally don't think human blood could overwhelm the vampire blood -- hell
we can hardly fight off a common cold! ;)

Wicked Cousin Tippi

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:58:07 -0500
From:    Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs and Blood Sucking


I've always had this vision of vampire teeth being hallow kind of like snake
fang, only not for injecting poison, but to suck blood through.

It would be quite difficult, given the small holes made by the fangs to get
much blood in such a short time.  Now if the fangs where hallow, that could
explain a lot.

What do you think?

Robbi Newbie Knightie (With dark tendencies) loving the angst!
egersdor@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:27:47 -0500
From:    Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.

At 09:23 PM 3/10/96 EST, Maryann Jorgensen wrote:

>Ummmm, last time we saw Janette she was wearing denim (heh, heh, heh)
>(Knightie now runs and ducks for cover)

So....you have a point?

Wearing denim is a major crime?  Perhaps if you don't wear it well.

Jane   (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:36:56 -0500
From:    Debra Szumlinski <debras@m.......>
Subject: Re: Fever

Re: Scent of Nat's blood Amy wrote:

>I would also insist on a food smell...<snip>... I suspect that Vachon's
>comparison of Tracy to fruit is mainly psychological.  Vampires can't eat;
>blood is vampire food; vampires may remember food and its delights, and make a
>psychological connection...  Not to mention LC's "wine and honey"
>comments in "TG."

I too would have to agree that her scent has to include food and I love the
reason above. It makes sense. However, Vachon mentioned lilies as well. (No
I'm not going to slaughter the spelling for what type of lily.) So what else
would you add to the mix?

For food type scents I'd agree with the webgodess' choice of cinnamon.
Otherwise, what do you think of honeysuckle?

Deb

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:50:56 -0600
From:    Susan Schaefer <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun (long)

>A "successful" virus does not kill its host, but lives in happy symbiosis
>with the host. That's why the herpes viri (such as HHI, HH6, Zoster, EB)
>Many viri start out as nasty "kill your hosts" but mutate enough to be less
>virulent (but stick around longer so it can reproduce longer).

That was my point (sorry, I sometimes get ahead of my hands, and assume what
I think goes down on paper, screen, whatever, chagrined little smirk).  But
a virus does destroy individual cells until the body can retalliate (or
whatever is necessary).  There are some, however, which to date haven't
mutated to a harmless form (AIDS, influenza).  My idea on the vamp virus was
that it would be fatal if it weren't suppressed, but suppression is simple,
in a total-biological-overhaul sort of way.




Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Mazdas don't fetch.

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:56:08 -0500
From:    Chanda Keith <ckeith@u.......>
Subject: Janette gifs

Does anyone know where I could find some gifs of Janette before she was
brought across?


Chanda Keith Ravenette and Immortal Beloved
ckeith@u....... or cwkeith@c.......
"Forever Knight has been cancelled.  If you want to help efforts to reverse
this decision, visit the official Save FK Webpage!" at
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:12:51 -0600
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Burning Up and Teeth (longish)

>        "FK: Ambiguities-R-Us"  :)
> each individual choose a vampire's existence over mortal death in
>order to "come across."  Thus, those brought across against their will
>still make that choice, but are forced into it -- psychologically
>cornered.

Urs wanted to die rather than be brought across, but Vachon brought her across
anyway.
I think the first line quoted above explains it better than anything.
It's part of FK's attraction.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)

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Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:43:44 -0500
From:    Chana Rossman <bonney@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.

>Yes, let's begin that thread. Janette for president. Write her in.
>Fashion returns to the white house.

I can see LaCroix in the role much better.  (And I'm not even a
cousin...)  He has leadership qualities, he cares for his "community",
and he has that all important politcal characteristic -- he is a
true "blood-sucker".  :-)

We need a campaign slogan.  How about "LaCroix's our pick in '96"?

Just kidding...mostly.
Chana
bonney@i.......
If life were easy, then just anybody could do it.

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:01:28 -0500
From:    Siona <siona@n.......>
Subject: YKYBW.....

You know you've been watching way too much FK (or HL in this case) when
you are watching MST3K (actually woke up and it was on) and there's a
monster like thing with a man standing in a cave entrance tellin this
man's friends that "He is the first of your kind to attain immortality"
and the first thing out of your mouth is "No he's not."

You know you've been reading way too many "YKYB...." messages when you're
driving down the street and the pickup truck in front of you is "YK 1234"
and you say out loud "You Know."

Siona@n.......
Dark Knightie!
Help save Forever Knight!  see http://www.netaxs.com/~siona/
"Murphy was an optimist!"
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:24:30 -0700
From:    Gay Eckes <raven@r.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory

>>Can ya believe it?  Sure, these past two episodes TG and HoD are both tres
>>bizarre.  But a bona fide warning!  Anyone else have one in their city?

Nothing for FK here, but the Star Treks rate warnings!

>The whole thing is ludicrous...and shows exactly the problems inherent
>with the whole Presidential/Congressional V-chip thing.

Editorial cartoon in today's Denver Post shows kids routing the TV signal
first through the vcr to avoid the V-chip(and their parents sitting on the
couch wondering whether to ask them to set the clock . . . )
Later,

Gay Eckes   raven@r.......    gdeckes@i.......    gdeckes@c.......
>> Life's too short . . . <<

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:40:46 -0500
From:    Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: e: Carouches

L'Phantom wrote:

>If your first kill is not human, you are a carouche.<snip> However,
>Perry's >first kill wasn't human, either, so does that mean that Perry
>is *not* a carouche?

My guess: if you're brought across by a carouche, you are also a carouche,
no matter what you choose to kill.

Stephanie

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:40:51 -0500
From:    Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Fever

Barbara wrote:

>While I am typing, Vachon stated that Tracy's blood had the scent of fruit,
>what about Nat.  My vote is for lavender--what do you think?

I vote for white roses or rose potpourri (another reason I believe LaCroix
finds her interesting, since roses and images of Fleur seem to be
intertwined for him). I'm probably using the rose potpourri in my fanfic.

Stephanie

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:38:13 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.

On Mar 13, 1996 22:43:44, 'Chana Rossman <bonney@i.......>' wrote:


>>Yes, let's begin that thread. Janette for president. Write her in.
>>Fashion returns to the white house.
>I can see LaCroix in the role much better.  (And I'm not even a
>cousin...)  He has leadership qualities, he cares for his "community"

I would like to nominate Dr. Natalie Lambert for the office of President.

She is caring and compassionate -- motivated mainly by integrity and high
moral standards, yet skilled at the 'cover-up', a necessary talent for a
political candidate -- and perhaps most importantly, she could actually
pass a medical check.  And attend official functions during the day, and
*eat* at the banquets, and so forth...

And then Nick could be the First Lady.

<running, running for cover as fast as my little legs will carry me...>

--
..............Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>..............
Asst. Listowner, SFK WebGoddess, Cinnamon Natpacker, Merc-MIA
;-;-;-;-;-;-;-SEMICOLON MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE!-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
****** Sorry, but Jamie is not coherent at the moment. ******
** Check back after her Saturn Return on April Fool's Day. **

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:44:40 -0800
From:    April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs and Blood Sucking

Robbi Egersdorf wrote:
> I've always had this vision of vampire teeth being hallow kind of like snake
> fang, only not for injecting poison, but to suck blood through.

I tend to agree, but if that was true, wouldn't the internal system of
the vampire have to be altered somewhat? I mean, the blood has to get
from the fangs to wherever it goes to sustain them.

If this was true, it would mean that Nat would have one more thing to try
and change for the cure.

Apri Ruskin
aruskin@e.......
Only known Forever Knight fan in my hometown.

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Date:    Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:53:04 -0500
From:    Cal <calm@a.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.

On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:

> I would like to nominate Dr. Natalie Lambert for the office of President.
>
> And then Nick could be the First Lady.

Well, at least we'd have a First Couple where there was no doubt which
of the pair was the brains of the administration.....

Cal

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Date:    Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:56:00 PST
From:    Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: New Game: Favourite Episodes That Never Were.

I have an idea for a new game: given the chance to watch a never-made
episode of FK, what kind of episode would you would have most like to have
seen?   My only rule is that the must not lead to the end of the series -
though it is quite welcome to take it off into new directions!

I'll kick of the game in my own sweet little FoDly way (1). :-)  My
favourite episode that never was would have been a sequel to "Close Call"
where Schanke finds out that Nick really *is* a vampire, comes to terms with
it, and tries his own hand at effecting Nick's 'cure'. :-)

(1) With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan. :-)

Christine Hawkins.
 c.hawkins@n.......
 ***  "I Love to cook. Love it, love it, love it"       ***
 ***  -- Don Schanke in "Partners of the Month".***

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