FORKNI-L
Digest - 10 Mar 1996
Sun, 10 Mar 1996
There are 28 messages totalling 813 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Schanke sighting
2. Airwolf question
3. WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires...
4. e: Carouches
5. Fever (3)
6. Blind Faith
7. Perry's first kill
8. Why vampires burn up in the sun (long)
9. Fraction Groupings
10. (long) Why vampires burn up in the sun
11. Sundry Matters -- Ad Nauseam
12. Carouches (4)
13. Parent Advisory
14. The Vaquero FAQ
15. Message from Internet
16. Vamp teeth
17. Justin Pierce's address
18. New Janette Webpage
19. Faction Groupings (3)
20. filksongs
21. Burning Up and Teeth (longish)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:29:55 -0600
From: Christy Tucker <ctucker@m.......>
Subject: Schanke sighting
This may be a bit of general knowledge, but....
I was watching the Breakfast Club tonight and there is this scene with the
school janitor. No big deal. Then I realized that the janitor was John
Kapelos! I even checked the credits to make sure. I nearly jumped out of my
seat. I almost didn't recognize him - he was so unbelieveably thin and had a
full head of hair. It was definately a shock.
Cousin Christy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ctucker@m.......
The Road to Damascus: http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~ctucker/
When I die, I want to go quietly in my sleep, like my grandfather,
not screaming like the other people in his car.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 01:22:24 -0500
From: Kathy Anderson <AnderKin@a.......>
Subject: Re: Airwolf question
Hello TJ
I remember an episode of Airwolf when Ger's
character was working undercover at (I think)
a terrorist camp. He was trying to find this bomb
or something. Anyway he was shot and fell in this
huge silo. The rest of the episode he was either in the
hospital or trying to remember what the phrase was
to disarm the bomb. It ended up being a nursery rhyme.
Hopes this helps-
Kathy
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 01:54:10 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires...
April Ruskin wrote:
>(I have no real knowledge about dentistry, maybe human teeth are strong
>enough to do it. Anyone know?)
Oh yes, our toothies are definitely strong enough. But you ever see a human
bite mark? It looks like a crescent moon, full of jagged holes and a lot of
bruising. All our teeth are around the same length, so we make big messy
bite marks. But if you look at the vampire bite marks in FK, you'll see it's
two *neat* little holes, thereby suggesting that their two fangs are *much*
longer than their other teeth.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
Anthrovamp, Litvamp, Dentalvamp
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 01:23:26 CST
From: L'Phantom <jrarmstr@p.......>
Subject: e: Carouches
Here's the way I understand it.
If your first kill is not human, you are a carouche. Nick's first kill was
human, so he is not.
However, Perry's first kill wasn't human, either, so does that mean that Perry
is *not* a carouche?
Inside your mind, as always,
L'Phantom
--Cousin-in-training
http://bsc.edu/~jrarmstr/
Help Save Forever Knight! Ask me how! jrarmstr@b.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:19:11 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Fever
Bonnie,
Why don't you like _Fever_? While I am typing, Vachon stated that
Tracy's blood had the scent of fruit, what about Nat. My vote is for
lavender--what do you think?
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:25:30 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
The question of Nick destroying Perry became, at least to me, moot once
Jody came over. She can control Perry. Nick probably filled her in on
the handy rules by which vampires live and took off.
Barbara
Knight Rhetorica
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:49:24 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Perry's first kill
Perry's first kill was, as far was we know, human--he knilled the "Doctor
of Love" rapist/murder. BTW, that is killed, not knilled.
Barbara
Knight Rhetorica
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:49:25 -0600
From: Susan Schaefer <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun (long)
>Are you sorry you asked? I'd love to see other people's ideas.
You might be sorry I answered :), but here goes...
Schaeferian Theory on Vamyrism, cause and effects, version 1:
The concept of a virus creating a vampyre makes some sense, but one
fault is overlooked: A virus attacks a cell in order to reproduce, usually
taking the cell's nourishment, proteins, and genetic material in the process
and reconstructing it into it's own. Afterwards, the new viruses escape,
destroying the cell in the process. Perhaps vampyrism is a defense
mechanism the body puts up against this specific virus.
What the body would choose to do against something as lethal (?) as the
Vamp Virus (I'll call it _Sangrius vampiris_, or _S. vampiris_ from now on)
is simple preserve life any way it can. The outcome is apparently clinical
death, but with the outward appearance of life. With a few changes.
Intolerance to sunlight: Melanin production costs energy and
nutrients, as does immune control (preventing release of Immunoglobulin E,
the agent of allergic reactions, abbreviated IgE). Hence, the pale skin and
physical sunlight allergy of a vampyre. Physical allergies have been noted
in humans, reacting to heat, cold, and light/sunlight among other things.
The standard scale for rating allergies is 1-4, one being mild and 4 severe.
Imagine now that, as a defense, a vampyric immune system reduces the
tolerance to light enough to be stable in the 7% reflected sunlight from the
surface of the moon, but in full sunlight has no way to defend against an
essential allergic reaction of around 10 or more (in other words,
near-instant, painful death). This would account for a FK vampyre's ability
to move quickly through daylight as long as well covered or in heavy shade
(a reaction of perhaps 3 at most would occur, going lower as exposure lessened).
yes, I know this is sounding like a thesis. Hang with me. I can't
help it; I'm a biology major.
On the note of paleness, it is assumed that (a) the protein structure
of melanin can be broken down/recombined into a substance suitable to keep
the virus in check. This would also account for some of the blood
ingestion. Blood contains a massive amount of various proteins, amino
acids, and general nutrients, which could be reconstructed into what the
body required. (b) Since the body has no more use for adding melanin,
production ceases. Some would be permanently embedded in the skin anyway,
and for pre-written genetic reasons some individuals would continue to
produce a specified amount, no more, no less. In other words, if your're
naturally pale, you'll get a little paler, but not too much. If you're
naturally dark, you'll still get a pallor, but will stay generally dark.
Tan addicts don't count.
Psionic abilities:
Frankly, I'm a bit stumped on this one. All I can think of is that
latent abilities somehow kick into action at infection, perhaps by an
increase in neural activity. An idea I like is that a semi-sleep state is
induced in certain areas, thus leading to the increased activity (yes, brain
waves during sleep have been proven to make an awakee person look like a
flatliner by comparison). If anyone has a better idea, PLEASE let me know.
Limited diet:
Once again, I go back to diverted energy and substances. It has been
mentioned that a vampyre's digestive fluid consists of enzymes instead of
acid. This could be due to gastric acid being a sort of luxury. All the
nutrition a vamp would need would come from the blood of those who had
already digested. Enzymes would take care of breakdown and transport. The
ingredients of the acid, essentially hydrochloric, would be either used or
expelled. The only use I can come up with for the chlorine would be to keep
the virus population down. An example of this is the 10% bleach solution
used to kill AIDS and other viruses/organisms. If utilized in an especially
unusual way, it just might work, kept away from the blood cells (it'll
bleach 'em, and rupture the blood vessel. This is why Clorox makes a bad
cocktail).
Halted aging:
Cells really have no reason to die other than aging and growth.
Bacteria are unicellular and have no set age limit. Hypothetically, human
cells could work the same way. An added plus is no more dandruff.
That's all I have for now. Flames, groans, and threats may be sent to the
address in my sig. Until next time...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Mazdas don't fetch.
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:06:14 -0600
From: Susan Schaefer <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Fraction Groupings
LaCroix in a pink thong on T.V
>> dancing at the Raven. Did I mention he has to be holding a purple
>> feather between his legs the whole time?
>This picture is just more than any mortal mind can stand!
Yet somehow strangely alluring...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Mazdas don't fetch.
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:38:06 -0800
From: Bonnela Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: (long) Why vampires burn up in the sun
At 11:10 PM 3/9/96 -0500, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
>Wendy Marie wrote: <snip> One question....how is the information of the
chromosome
>>passed along
>The
>ultimate goal of this type of research (i.e., gene therepy) is to develop a
delivery mechanism
>that will insert the "correct" DNA into the host's cells, thereby
>overriding the genetic disorder.
In the very humble opinion of one who makes synthetic DNA for a living, I
just *had* to comment. First, gene therepy is far from effective in most
case, so far, and is just in it's infancy as far as the research goes -- but
it appears to be the coming thing. And no long term cases, that I am aware
of, have been documented -- i.e., so far it's only a temporary fix.
> FK vampire bites mortal, removes a significant
>amount of blood, then introduces his/her own blood to the mortal. <snip>
the vampire's blood is
>circulated quickly. These blood cells somehow transfer their DNA into the
>mortal's cells
Yeah, I would buy this. Like drinking a glass of orange juice and then
refilling the same glass with grape juice. The pulp of the orange (the
juice cells) is still there and will become stained with the purple color
eventually. Weird analogy, but.... The vampire DNA would then be present
in the majority of the blood and readily available -- though oxygen is
usually the only thing transfered from the blood cell to the body cells.
But maybe there is a vampire virus associated directly (symbiotically) with
the vampire blood cells or may just be in the vampire plasma, thus the
vampire virus might act much like a retro-virus does. It would take a while
for the effects to be seen in not-rapidly dividing cells. So, any new cells
manufactured by the body would contain the new piece of vampire DNA. Which
means that male vampires would be sterile, but female vampires should still
be furtile (whether or not the body would reject the now foreign DNA of the
egg is another story -- but test tube babies work for humans and that is
foreign DNA to the host mother -- unless the vampire DNA would be transfered
among the nutrients across the placental wall. But we've covered this
already, haven't we. Maybe a female vampire could have a mortal carry her
test tube baby to term? Hmm... fan fic?)
Gay Eckes <raven@r.......> wrote:
>And if I remember my biology (it's been awhile), viruses are sensitive to
>heat. The body's fever reaction to infection, or raising the ambient
>temperature high enough, will kill many of 'em (or stop their replication).
Nice theory. If this were true, then moderate doses of heat should kill off
the vampire virus and Nick would have his cure. But if the virus is readily
incorporated into the human cells, then the heat treatment wouldn't work.
Since fire as well as sun light kills, there in lies the connection. A
vampire's skin must just be overly sensitive to being burned; the duration
of exposure which would cause a 1st degree fire burn or sunburn for a human
would cause a 3rd degree burn for a vampire. Same biological principles
could apply. I would think that fire would be the quicker way to kill the
vampire because of the more direct heat source. This would also explain why
vampires can go out in moonlight (the reflection of the sun light off of the
moon is so diffuse that they wouldn't notice any/much heat from it. So, can
a vampire hang out in the daytime when it is overcast? Probably not, since
you can still get a nasty sunburn at the beach on a cloudy day, though there
exposure time should be longer.
Ah, idle ramblings from someone who needs to get to sleep before the sun
rises in Toronto!
Dona Bonnela, Vaquera
(bonnie@o.......)
"Do you trust me?" -- JDV
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 02:18:10 -0800
From: Debbie Litchman <debbie8@e.......>
Subject: Re: Sundry Matters -- Ad Nauseam
At 12:11 AM 3/5/96 -0500, patrick kortner aiex wrote:
>. I was thinking about FK as done by the Rocky Horror Picture ...
> Heck, I might actually write a script for it, complete with parody
>lyrics. When I can find time, that is. Hmmm. "Let's do the Blood Warp again."
>Nah. Doesn't have the same ring to it. I'll work on it. :)=
Ahhhhh,
How about "Let's do the Blood Drain again" :)=
Debbie*@e.......
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:04:31 -0800
From: Bonnela Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: Fever
At 11:19 PM 3/9/96 -0900, Muldy Sculler wrote:
>Bonnie,
>Why don't you like _Fever_?
Umm, too little of Vachon in it? No good memorable lines? That dorky scene
between Nick and Vachon just before the tag? Vachon's stupid little
vingette about apricots and calla lilies? The lack of emotion on any of the
actors faces or in their voices through out the ep?
<vbg>
Doh! Sharon Joy said *least* fav ep, didn't she? Well, 'Fever' is my
*favorite* ep.
>While I am typing, Vachon stated that
>Tracy's blood had the scent of fruit, what about Nat. My vote is for
>lavender--what do you think?
My guess is that Tracy uses 'Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific' shampoo and Nat
uses 'Pantene' which smells more like gardenias than lavender. But, you
said *blood* didn't you? (What? Bonnie mis-read something at 2:45 am?)
Well, you are what you eat, right? So, Nat's blood should smell like hot
buttered popcorn. <ewg>
Yeah, yeah, I know. Time for bed!
Dona Bonnela, Vaquera
(bonnie@o.......)
"Do you trust me?" -- JDV
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:04:58 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Fever
Barbara wrote:
>Tracy's blood had the scent of fruit, what about Nat. My vote is for
>lavender--what do you think?
Formaldehyde!
Juuuuuust kidding. :) She looks like a cinnamon to me, or possibly vanilla.
I'd have to go with a food smell, tho I don't know why. Lavender just
reminds me too much of my next door neighbor Grace -- who is about 85. ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:05:02 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches
L'Phantom wrote:
>If your first kill is not human, you are a carouche. Nick's first kill was
>human, so he is not.
I thought you had to be made by a carouche to be a carouche. Nick said in BF
that carouches were a "lower form of vampire". Why would drinking animal
blood necessarily make one a lower form of vampire? Plus, when Lacroix had
Raleigh brought across, he employed the help of a carouche to do it. To me,
that implies that the carouche was necessary (after all, Lacroix isn't one to
go asking for help willy nilly unless he really really needed it). I'm
thinking that Jody (Jodi?) is a carouche because her maker was a carouche.
Now I have a question. Did Vachon bring Screed across or did he just find
Screed somewhere and they decided to be friends? If Vachon was the one who
brought Screed across, then why'd he let Screed's first kill be an animal?
Did he figure ol' Screed wasn't good looking enough to bag the babes and
didn't want his friend to be eternally frustrated by his hunger? I'm
rambling now, you know. Can you tell? Must be time for coffee.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:11:00 EST
From: Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory
>KHTV Channel 39 (Houston's Warner Brothers) displayed a Parent Advisory
>Warning this week and last week right before FK came on. It was one of
>those full screen, official-like warnings that says "Please be advised that
>the following program may contain offensive material of a violent nature,
My FOX station here in Orlando does that before lots of things, latest I
noticed was some stupid wrestling show. *snort* I*'m surprised that they
don't do something like it before "Pinky and the Brain". *double snort*
Maryann - the Knightie with a Nattitude majorge@i.......
* Knightie, Natpacker , N&Ner, Dark Nattie, Paris-ite, Janewayan *
********************************************************************************
And I have a life ... really ... it involves blond gorgeous men and art pencils.
I'm a renagade, rebel, and rogue!!
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 06:46:52 -0800
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: The Vaquero FAQ
At 08:10 PM 3/8/96 EST, you wrote:
>-- [ From: Torrey * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
>So....If you want a copy of the Vaquero FAQ please feel free to drop me
>a note and I will send it off to you. Its' not very long.
Hi there...I am sure you must have gotten a hundred requests by now,
so if you are not posting it to the general list, I would like one also!
Thank you!
Jackie
Support your local Attorney...Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:46:27 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: Message from Internet
I think the difference from Screed's type of carouche and Nick using cow's blood
is the fact that Nick doesn't prefer cow's blood but being a vampire means he
has to have some kind of blood or he'll die. Screed and other carouche's prefer
animals/rodents and go hunting for them. Nick would much prefer a nice nifty
neck. Can you picture Nick sneaking up on a cow "Here Bossie, Bossie....."
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:52:14 GMT
From: Hilary Doda <katya@i.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches
Tippi wrote:
> when Lacroix had
>Raleigh brought across, he employed the help of a carouche to do it. To me,
>that implies that the carouche was necessary (after all, Lacroix isn't one to
>go asking for help willy nilly unless he really really needed it).
Where does it say that he *needed* the help of the Carouche? I got the
impression that he didn't *want* to drink dog..."Dogs are for
breakfast...and then only in the worst of times". And if there was a
Carouche in the area, why would he drink something so distasteful to him?
Plus, this way, It wasn't him who directly killed Raleigh...so he'd have a
better chance of getting through to Nick...
Also, was Raleigh a Carouche? I haven't seen the episode in a while, but I
vaguely remember something about him killing humans...that would imply him
being a "normal" vamp...
> I'm
>thinking that Jody (Jodi?) is a carouche because her maker was a carouche.
But was Perri a Carouche? His first kill (that we know of) *was* human...
>Now I have a question. Did Vachon bring Screed across or did he just find
>Screed somewhere and they decided to be friends? If Vachon was the one who
>brought Screed across, then why'd he let Screed's first kill be an animal?
Are we ever told this? I don't think it was mentioned in any of the
episodes... do vampires who aren't "related" stick around each other? The
packs we've seen so far seem to all be related...Nick, Uncle and Janette;
Vachon, Urs, the Inca (not by choice, but he still hung around...), and what
about Bourbon? Do we ever learn anything about *him*?
About the animal thing...in Fever we're told that he was a sailor...and from
some of his comments, it sounded like he was brought across while he was on
board a ship...and on a ship, it's pretty difficult to drain someone and not
have people get suspicious...so maybe rats were the only option...and if
Vachon *didn't* bring him across, who's to say that his Master even stuck
around long enough to stop him from becoming a Carouche?
<whew>...
Dona Katya
* Raven * X-Phile * FFFROGie * Crusader * Mother of the WCP *
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:39:08 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches
Dana Katya wrote:
>Where does it say that he *needed* the help of the Carouche? I got the
>impression that he didn't *want* to drink dog...
Well, it didn't come out and say it anywhere, of course. Since when has the
FK universe just flat out voluntarily *given* us explanations and continuity?
;)
The reason I said that Lacroix seemed to need the Carouche's help is because
knowing LC's personality, he wouldn't ask for help unless he really needed
it, and would probably only do so grudgingly. He himself doesn't have to
drain the dog to turn it into a vampire. I'd bring up some info from Fallen
Idol, but it's still under spolier protection. In the White Wolf RPGs and in
Anne Rice's books, we know (because we are told) that it is necessary to
drain the victim to the point of death and then give it some vampire blood.
But has there been a FK ep that came out and said as much? I mean, I
haven't seen most of the 1st season eps and some of the 2nd season, but I've
gotten the impression on more than one occasion that if a mortal went and
drank a pint of vampire blood he'd become "infected" and become a vampire
himself.
Anyone know what's canon?
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:58:04 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches
On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Tippi Blevins wrote:
> when Lacroix had Raleigh brought across, he employed the help of a
> carouche to do it. To me,that implies that the carouche was necessary
> (after all, Lacroix isn't one to go asking for help willy nilly unless
> he really really needed it).
I thought LC's use of the carouche had more to do with his "Dons are for
breakfast, and then only in the worst of times." comment than because he
actually *needed* another carouche to do it. After all didn't he and
Janette both balk at Nick for drinking cow because of how it tasted.
And as to the fact that LC doesn't ask for help, well I think he enjoys
playing puppet master. In which case, why get your hands dirty (or fangs)
if you don't have to. I maen, if he couldn't find a carouche, then I
thought he propbably would have just done it himself. But there was one
there (conveniently enough), so no meed to subject himself to something
as distasteful (yes, dumb pun intended) as a dog.
As for Vachon bringing Screed across, as far as I know (but that ain't
saying much) we've never been told. But there has been atleast one piece
of fanfic (can't remember the title at the moment) that includes that
assumption in the disclaimer at the beginning. Something like "don't know
if it's true, but for the sake of the story I'm assuming it is."
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:29:22 -0500
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: Vamp teeth
Dona writes:
<<Human teeth are definitely capable of getting to the Jugular Vein. I
<<work in a ER and let me tell you I have seen human bites that would
<<make your head spin. My guess is that they would go for the Carotid
<<artery..it is very close to the surface and it pumps the
True, but without fangs it would be really messy! Vampires leave those nice
neat two little teeth holes. They dont rip out chunks of flesh! (Well, the
FK vamps dont anyway.) So I say the fangs have to be real. I cant explain
how it happens, it just does. Go figure!
Cousin Michelle
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:34:23 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: Justin Pierce's address
My thanks to Karen Tobin:
Here's Justin' Pierce's address.
******************************
Justin Pierce was named senior vice president of Sony
Television Entertainment in January. And so you don't have to go
looking for it, heres the address:
Sony Television Entertainment
[Address removed]
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker(ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
--
Sharon Himmanen * romana@p........ Forever Knight has been cancelled.
To help save it, check out
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html or send me email
ASAP!
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:18:01 -0500
From: Chanda Keith <ckeith@u.......>
Subject: New Janette Webpage
I would like to announce that my new webpage dedicated to Janette is
finally up. It's at http://www.usit.net/public/ckeith/Janette.html. Take
a look and tell me what you think of it. I'm going to be adding more to it
in the next few days so check back frequently and let me know if you like
it.
Chanda Keith Ravenette and Immortal Beloved
ckeith@u....... or cwkeith@c.......
"Forever Knight has been cancelled. If you want to help efforts to reverse
this decision, visit the official Save FK Webpage!" at
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:37:40 -0600
From: "Partly K." <teke@w.......>
Subject: Faction Groupings
A gathering of Perkulators would be a Pair, perhaps a Trio. But I don't
think there's enough of us to warrant any other designation....
Oh well, we may be few, but we're always perky....
Partly - The Perkulator
teke@w....... or PartlyK@a.......
"Being perky is revenge enough -- at six in the morning."
"Stupid, Stupid Rat Creatures!" - Bone
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:39:15 -0500
From: Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject: Re: filksongs
Alright, this came to me this morning and now you must all suffer. <g>
Apologies if someone has already composed a song to "Three Blind
Mice". There have been so many hysterical and wonderful entries, I
can't keep track of them all.
Three stanzas, for your humming pleasure:
Three hot vampires
Three hot vampires
See them bite and kill
Drink enough blood for their fill
LaCroix has a suave radio voice
Nick is cute when he angsts by choice
Vachon's hair and eyes make my lips moist
Three hot vampires
Three cool vampires
Three cool vampires
USA had best beware
Their fangs will rip and tear
Janette is the picture of style and grace
Urs has a sweet, adorable face
Screed's charm is an acquired taste
Three cool vampires
Three hot vampires
Three hot vampires
Bring someone across to thrill
Pick me, pick me, I will
LaCroix will dominate his child
If Nick does it, you'll go insane and wild
Vachon will be a master kind and mild
Three hot vampires
Roxanne <ducking and running>
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:01:02 -0500
From: Kimberly Bjarkman <flowper@o.......>
Subject: Re: Faction Groupings
teke@w....... wrote:
> A gathering of Perkulators would be a Pair, perhaps a Trio. But I don't
> think there's enough of us to warrant any other designation....
Woah! I thought I'd be killed for saying that (although, I confess to
having thought it). I guess the Perkulators are of good humor - I'm
impressed. Just for that I think they deserve a far more respectable
faction name. Although, I like a Dose of Perkulators (Dos? <g>) --
like a good dose of caffeine in the morning.
Kim
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:12:11 -0800
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: Faction Groupings
At 02:37 PM 3/10/96 -0600,Partly K wrote:
>A gathering of Perkulators would be a Pair, perhaps a Trio. But I don't
>think there's enough of us to warrant any other designation....
I think a gathering of Perkulators would be.........coffee!
Don't forget all those list members who promised to become Perkulators if
we finished the 3rd season:
Apache (Laura)
Allison Percy
Deanna Dudley
Marg Rothschild
Inanna Arthur.
I thnk that's enough to qualify as a "dose of caffeine"!
Jackie
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:45:36 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Burning Up and Teeth (longish)
I am so impressed by these scientifically-based theories!
I am absolutely stunned by everyone's expertise.
However, one of *my* pet theories involves the technical genre
distinction between fantasy and science fiction. I won't subject you all
to my reasoning on epic structure and mythical archetypes (suffice to say
that canonical Star Wars is fantasy, while acceptable Star Trek is
science-fiction) but I am convinced that FK is fantasy.
That does not rule out scientific explanation -- obviously Nat spends
most of her time on the sci-fi side of FK, and that desperate hypothesis
of vampires as a successor race in "A More Permanent Hell" is just great --
but it does locate the essential value of FK outside scientific rationalism
and logical continuity (as if we didn't know that already... <g>). In
essence, I agree with Sandra's husband, whom she said thinks that any
explanation for FK vampirism must be both scientific and supernatural in
nature -- and, thus, that any cure must be both scientific and supernatural.
I offer, as my prime example, Nick's memory of being brought across in
"Near Death." Whatever physical "virus" was transmitted to him, he had
to choose to accept it in order for it to change him.
I suppose that I'm simply arguing for the essential
inexplicability of FK vampness, as much as I'm loving the breadth of the
explanations offered. (I may simply have overdosed on them -- an
anthropologist friend just speculated on whether Nick's bone structure
would change if he regained his mortality, and what she could learn from
his teeth if it didn't!)
That said, I do like the idea (sorry; don't recall whose) that
the fangs are psychic (telekinetic) projections of some sort. Frankly,
I've always found it slightly amusing that simply sticking in their teeth
is supposed to *remove* all that blood. A telekinetic transfer is much more
plausible. As for burning up in daylight (don't you love it when LC
steps into the sunbeam in "The Fix"? There are Dark Knighties; is
there any room for a Light Cousin? <g>), I find Stephanie's theory of
the extra-sensitive vampire system being overwhelmed by the physical
stimuli of radiation, heat, and light compatible with LC's description of
Nick being overwhelmed by guilt in "Curiouser and Curiouser." Some
stimuli -- scientific *and* supernatural/psychological -- the vampire
system simply isn't designed to regulate.
This is fun!
***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"That thereby beauty's rose might never die" -- W.S. Sonnet 1
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