FORKNI-L
Digest - 6 Mar 1996
Wed, 6 Mar 1996
There are 33 messages totalling 944 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Dream cast - Pooh
2. <No subject given>
3. which season do you like best?
4. PR push for FK; mug shots of KK and RP
5. Alternate casts
6. hand-and-cross scene
7. Liking different seasons
8. Cross scene?
9. Interview With the Nightcrawler 1/?
10. Fwd: Re: FOR SALE? LEATHER/WOOL CAST JACKET
11. Seasonal Preferences (3)
12. ListAdmin Stuff
13. FW: The New Pooh's Corner (2)
14. Panic attack
15. music and literature (2)
16. Conspiracy theory? FK & Sci-Fi Channel
17. Gone Nomail
18. The New Pooh's Corner
19. This Pooh Business
20. televised Geminis
21. Best season?
22. FOR SALE? LEATHER/WOOL CAST JACKET
23. The Tigger Factor
24. FK:The Simpsons Cast
25. Ger on "Diamonds"
26. FK on SciFi only? Wail!!!!!!!!
27. ELF
28. Shrewthering and Fleshy Question
29. Radio Commercial
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:42:10 -0800
From: Bonnela Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: Dream cast - Pooh
>Tigger gets to play Vachon -- it's a question of
>ego and immaturity.
Yes! After all, why do Tiggers bounce? 'Cause they can!
> LC... well, I might actually put in a pitch for LC
>as Pooh, himself... but most Cousins would probably revolt... :)
LC would be Owl! Wise, old, thinks he knows it all.
Dona Bonnela (bonnie@o.......)
-- keeper of the Forever Mourning Wreath
"Cars are sexier with fins, don't ya think? More predatory." -- JDV
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:38:05 -0500
From: Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
om laughing so hard>
D'you think French would count? <EG> Not that I have anything right off tap,
but if, say a French-speaker wanted to weigh in. :)
(head now filled with wild phrases such as "street gangst"..... thanks a lot,
Jamie!!! )
Two more things:
Yes, the hand-and-burning-cross number is Nick, from the Joan of Arc scenes
(FIHS). "Last Act" had the Erica flashbacks.
And: With the addition of AOL Canada, Canadians no longer have to pay a
surcharge for using AOL. (Yippee!) Says so in the little window when you
first access the aforementioned area.
Felicia
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*Optimist
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:22:37 -0500
From: Lisa Wolters <MVRJasper@a.......>
Subject: which season do you like best?
I found FK midway through the second season but have now seen all the eps. I
have to say that the first season episodes were of a higher quality
writing-wise *overall*, and that yes, they were pretty steamy sometimes, but
that the steam was backed up consistently by *good story,* with integral
flashbacks and characters that we cared about. FK has always been full of
inconsistencies, and first season had its share, too, but overall, I think
first season deserves its pedestal.
Now, second season was also *very* good. And I liked *all* of the second
season episodes--even ones that got knocked, like "Capitol Offense." <gasps
from the listfolk--but I LIKED it. Honest!) Yeah, you could drive a Mac
truck through the plot holes in that one, but it was still about *Nick and
his quest for redemption,* no matter how poorly done. I think second season
was more uneven than first, but I attribute that to "growing pains." And,
overall, second season was highly enjoyable, maybe not as intense and angsty
on the whole as first season, but really, really good stuff nonetheless.
Complete with the requisite inconsistencies that we all have a love/hate
realtionship with. :)
I guess what I'm saying in an over-tired, stressed-by-real-life,
wanna-go-to-bed-NOW kind of way <g> is that, prior to third season, even when
an episode stank, you always knew its heart was in the right place, and that
it was still *trying* to stick to the premise of a vampire who wants to be
mortal again. "Capitol Offense" is a prime example of this--it wasn't good,
but it had good intentions. :-)
Then third season came along...and all of a sudden, FK was a different
animal, except for the voice-over narration in the opening. And the changes
that USA/whomever made were sooo blatantly just marketing ploys, with no
consideration given to what FK was about. And there have just plain been
too many "Forever Vetter episodes." Up until episode 10, "Night in Quesion,"
there was not one third season episode that I would care to watch over and
over the way I have with first and second season (not that I *loved* every ep
of those seasons, either, but I *would* watch them if they were rerun).
There were *parts* of those episodes that I would watch again (by
fastforwarding on my videotapes), but I have to admit that I did *not* watch
them when they were rerun on USA or my syndie station. After "NiQ,"
everything got mucho better. Tracy for the most part became sort of
bearable; I could live with her, anyhow. There was far less Vachon (sorry
Vaqueras--but although the character does have potential, TPTB could never
figure out how to use it and it never translated to the screen; he fares far,
far better in fanfic...all "imho" of course!). And the characters became
recognizable again. I think "NiQ" and "Dead of Night" are two of the best
episodes FK has produced regardless of season, so the quality *is* still
there when FK is *allowed* to be FK!
Such rambling...I really should go sleepy-bye and stop subjecting you guys to
my tired brain's musings. :-)
As for whether or not which season you saw first influences your opinion...I
saw second season prior to any others, and I still think first season should
rank highest. Right off the bat, there is such a sense of family among the
characters, and they *clicked.* The stories *worked.* And they kept on
working right through second season, then only worked in fits and starts for
a while when 3rd season started, and have been working their way back to
where they were before ever since, with occasional moments of brilliance.
Lisa W. * MVRJasper@a.......
Overcaffeinated, Overtired Dark Nattie With Sprinkles
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:26:47 -0500
From: Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: PR push for FK; mug shots of KK and RP
And to add my two cents on this debate; reading from the profile of KK 'way
back when, did anyone else recognize that she was a tennis champion in her
youth?
And what were the pivot on which the FK ads on USA turned at the beginning of
the season?
The U.S. Open coverage.
To give the dev- er, that's *tv executive*, her due <G>, Kay probably lobbied
long and hard and paid mucho bucks for the rights to coverage of the U.S.
Open, no doubt dear to her heart; so by her lights, she was doing FK a major
favor by tying Ger in with the Open, a purchasing coup for USA. I agree, it
doesn't compete with the X-Files coverage, but that wasn't really USA's
problem. USA is not Fox; USA was attempting to step into purchase of a
"known" property, not start their own dynasty with FK as its foundation.
If anything, it was *Tri-Star's* responsibility to open the coffers for a big
publicity budget in the first place, during the second if not even the first
CBS season. I know I've said this before, but here it is again:
Until USA, I had never *seen* an FK ad.
I didn't know they existed. I'd never heard a promo. My local TV guide
doesn't carry episode descriptions. It doesn't list episode titles. It's
even managed to remove adjectives, definitive articles, and most verbs, from
its parlance: i.e. "Three's Company: Chrissie sits on cake." "Fresh
Prince of Bel-Air: Ashley has boyfriend." And so on.
<SIGH>
Speaking of television executives---
I need to know what *dear* Kay looks like. Also Rod Perth, just in case.
Don't ask why, I just do <G>. Erica knows, Karen knows.... soon everyone
subscribed to FKFIC may very well know <EG>. Anyone who can sketch me a
bare-bones physical description, please do so.
An accordant honor may very well be arranged for you (and Erica, and Karen)
in the future story, once I figure out what the h*** I'm talking about. The
story will have to drop after "Francesca", though, in order to make any
sense.
Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*Optimist
ps. Tippi, do my local station manager up brown in the story, please? He
doesn't answer me. He deserves it. :-)))
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:27:29 -0500
From: Felicia O'Sullivan <f.osullivan@g.......>
Subject: Alternate casts
While trying to come up with my own "If you can't have the
original actors, who would you cast?" list, I came up with some
of the same ones that everyone else did (Kenneth Branagh for
Nick an obvious choice!) and then my creativity fizzled. Flailing
around desperately, it ocurred to me that the actor who plays
Susan Ivanova on B5 would make a good Natalie. I'm sitting
there thinking "C'mon, what's her name... Claudia... Claudia...
it's _not_ Schiffer even if she was a model, dang... what is her
NAME???" when my brain crashes completely and spews up
the following:
Babylon 5 does Forever Knight!
Nick Knight = John Sheridan (definite white-knight complex,
charming -- okay, so he needs to work on the angst a bit... )
Janette DuCharme = Delenn (beautiful, sophisticated, somewhat
mysterious, has a cool accent)
Natalie Lambert = Susan Ivanova (intensely dedicated to her work,
no-nonsense, a somewhat dark sense of humor -- and her
batting average in romantic relationships is nearly as bad as
Nat's!)
Don Schanke = Vir (a nice guy, smarter than he seems, but
badly out of his depth in the situation) or Garibaldi (good
at his job, loyal to his friends, tends to write off wild
theories...)
Stonetree = G'Kar (frequently talks in parables that no one else
understands and makes vague allusions... )
Tracy Vetter = Talia Winters (okay, this one's more based on
physical resemblance between the actors, but there's a
similar "trying-to-be-cool-and-tough-over-vulnerability"
feel between the characters)
Vachon = Marcus (you've got one guess what prompted -this-
match up... and yes, it has lots more to do with hormones
than character logic <G>)
Of course, I still wound up missing a suitable LaCroix. I guess
that says something about how thoroughly Mr. Bennet put his
stamp on the character -- even joking around I can't envision
anyone else in the role!
Can I blame the above on inhaling cinnamon fumes for too
long? Didn't think so... sigh. And I still can't remember... oh,
yeah, Claudia Christiansen to play Natalie. (Yes, that's a
serious suggestion.)
By the way... to whomever did the "Mr. Ed" filk -- AAAARRRGHH!
I couldn't decide whether to laugh or whimper, and just sat there
choking as I read it!
Felicia O'Sullivan
f.osullivan@g.......
Newly-declared Vaquera -- ferget the Amaretto.... pass the
tequila! (oooh... tequila body shots with Vachon... Now
THERE's an idea <veg>)
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:56:34 -0500
From: Kimberly Bjarkman <flowper@o.......>
Subject: hand-and-cross scene
To justify myself (not that it matters), I said the episode with Joan
of Arc, the episode *before* "Last Act" (which is "For I Have Sinned"),
but blanked on that title. Didn't imply it was *in* "Last Act."
Sorry for the confusion.
Cousin Bob
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:58:08 -0800
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <elewis@u.......>
Subject: Liking different seasons
I just had a thought (yes, it hurt).
I think which season you like best not only has to do with when you
started. I saw one season 2 episode, Blood Money and said uh huh. I
started watching season 3 because of the number of commercials USA dumped
during the HL reruns. I watche BB 1 and 2, still with a sense of "huh?"
and went scurrying to the boards to find out more about this show. A
lovely, lovely person provided me with tapes of the first and second
seasons, which I watched in marathon sessions over a few weekends.
(Point of this post is approching.) I asked a lot more of the third season
episodes than I did the tapes I was watching because I had to wait a week
for the new ones. If one of the taped episodes was bad, oh well, ziiiiip
on through. I didn't critizie them as harshly as I did the first-run
episodes. (Although Cherry Blossoms was boring.) I remember watching
Blind Faith, and during commercials watching the tape of Can't Run, Can't
Hide. I panned BF and loved CRCH.
Did this make any sense?
Elizabeth~~~~~~~Mercenary ;)
elewis@u.......***Lizbetann@a.......
Ravenette of the New Order--Knightie/NatPacker/N&N Packer with Cousinly
Sympathies and faint leanings towards Vanquea-ism
"Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw"--Passion is the will to be
Listowner, Middle Ages Life
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:11:50 -0500
From: Rebecca Burns <r.burns@g.......>
Subject: Re: Cross scene?
On Tue 5-Mar-1996 4:08p, Kimberly Bjarkman wrote:
KB> Hand reaching towards flame... *just saw it* and now I'm not sure -- I
KB> think it's 1st season, the one with Joan of Arc. I can't for the life of
KB> me think of the title right now, but it's just before "Last Act."
That episode name is "For I Have Sinned."
Becky
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:11:53 -0500
From: Rebecca Burns <r.burns@g.......>
Subject: Interview With the Nightcrawler 1/?
MORE MORE! I love it! I can just imagine Uncle having this conversation with
you Mel! I can't wait for the next installment!
Cousin Becky
(Who's wondering if she posted this comment about FK Fiction to the right
list...Jamie?)
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:47:41 -0800
From: Eliot Deutsch <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Fwd: Re: FOR SALE? LEATHER/WOOL CAST JACKET
I found this on the Forever Knight Newsgroup...any interest???
>In article <4hdt6h$eap@n.......>,
>Rocky Giovinazzo <rgiovina@n.......> wrote:
>>
>>A friend of mine who worked on the set has a new
>>FK cast baseball jacket-- black (wool?) with red writing
>>and leather sleeves that she's going to sell. The jackets
>>ran very very small so she has a xxl. Would anyone be interested
>>in this sort of thing? I still need to get more
>>details from her about it...
>I have more information on the Forever Knight crew member jacket
>and since several people responded to the original message, I am
>posting it here on the newsgroup. It's a brand new final season
>Forever Knight crew jacket, black baseball style with real leather
>arms, a crew insignia on the front, and a large Forever Knight
>logo on the back in red. Best offer.
>
>To answer a few questions I received: (1) I'm not allowed to say
>whose jacket it is. (2) I don't have a photo or scanned image
>available. I hope the description I have is adequate. I have
>to say that I tried it on when my friend got it and thought
>it was quite nice-- I especially like the black and red
>contrast. Please let me know if you have other questions.
I thought I should add that the the fact that the jacket is
partly leather made it a little more expensive than the
usual promotional stuff and so the crew did pay for these jackets,
albeit at less than something like "Wilson's Leather" retail prices.
I am pretty sure the sweatshirts and other things were free but
don't think those things are for sale-- I will ask about them.
Rocky Giovinazzo
rgiovina@n.......
---- End Forwarded Message
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:25:56 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Seasonal Preferences
Now that I've seen the first two seasons, I'm rewatching the third season
(or waiting for the ones I've missed to come around on re-runs), and
there seem to be a much higher percentage of episodes that just plain
have nothing to do with the main characters. Even in "Hearts of
Darkness", Urs' involvement struck me as a kind of a red herring.
Katja
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:46:00 EST
From: Laurie Salopek <LMS5@p.......>
Subject: ListAdmin Stuff
Last weekend some daring soul, lacking proper circulation to their two brain
cells from excessive time spent in a seated position, forged several
subscriptions to over three thousand listservs for several accounts which
included whitehouse.gov. I hope sysadmins across the country track this
individual down and promptly display all extremities SEPARATELY in the old-
fashion tradition of Vlad.
In the meantime, I do believe I have deleted all the bogus accounts.
Unfortunately, this also meant that any list, where I have owner privs, I
changed the headers so that all new subscriptions will have to be confirmed.
Laurie
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:24:00 +0100
From: "Kennedy, Jean" <jkennedy@m.......>
Subject: FW: The New Pooh's Corner
Leslie and I have been discussing this fascinating turn of imagination, and
here's her casting.
Cousin Jean <jkennedy@t.......>
"I told you, don't take too much." - LaCroix
________________________________________________________
>From: Remencus, Leslie on Wed, Mar 6, 1996 10:17 AM
Subject: The New Pooh's Corner
To: Kennedy, Jean
Another contribution to the Pooh thread....
LaCroix--Christopher Robin (This *is* his universe. He's the one that always
assumes that philosophical tone and mode.)
Nick--Eyore (Who has more angst in the Pooh universe than Eyore.)
Janette--Roo (This one is sensible and playful.)
Natalie--Kanga (She "mothers" and "doctors", 'nuff said.)
Schanke--Pooh (Lots of fun and mischeif...Oh bother!)
Tracy--Tiger (She's the bouncy one, of course.)
Vachon--Gopher (Hey, he's used to the dark. Blink. Blink.)
Reece--Owl (He doesn't always know what's going on, but he's wise.)
Leslie
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:27:03 -0500
From: Carla Pickering <carlap@e.......>
Subject: Panic attack
Will whoever set me to nomail on the fiction list and this list *please set
me back to DIGEST* right now, before I miss something.....::::::::::::((((((
I asked for help unsubscribing to Spoiler--and got a lot of that <smile,
smile> *thanks*. But I did *not* want to *touch* my FKFIC or *the* list.
Any listowning type with reset powers--pleas, please, please reset me.......
<grovelling panic mode suppressed>
Carla at Crowhawwk in Exeter, Rhode Island
with Joanna the wonderpup
RRR, CC w/KL
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:22:16 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <Hooizthis@a.......>
Subject: Re: FW: The New Pooh's Corner
Maybe La Croix should be A.A.Milne, the one that pulls all the strings.
If Tracy is Roo, which seems about perfect, maybe Vachon should
be Tigger. He's not real bouncy, but Roo and Tigger did get to be
good friends.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:25:04 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: music and literature
I have a couple of questions that I hope some of our listmembers can answer.
What is the name of the piece that Nick plays during Black Buddha?
Where does the quote from the final Nightcrawler broadcast in Sons of Belial
come from? (I thought it was from Paradise Lost because LC says PL at the
end and it sounded like Milton, but I've looked through the whole x3*@% poem
and can't find the quote. Did I just miss it?)
Thanks in advance.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:59:27 -0500
From: MSTie Angel <MiSTiAngel@a.......>
Subject: Conspiracy theory? FK & Sci-Fi Channel
Maybe I've just OD'd on X Files, but...
Cable network (USA) has this marginal little channel (Sci-Fi). They do all
sort of promos trying to get "the public" to demand their cable operators get
this channel--even have a "general" SF mag and web page to pull in more
"fans"....
Same network _also_ has an organized group of determined "fans" continually
pestering them over their decisions regarding a certain program (FK)--letter
writing campaigns, fund raisers, "strike" on a industry convention.....
Some exec sees a way to "kill two birds with one stone"--"put the show (FK)
on the channel (Sci-Fi); get that organization (SOS-FK) after the cable co's
_and_ divert them from us (USA)!!!"
Or am I just crediting USA execs with too much intelligence....
*Angel 0:)*mistiangel@a.......*Pam in the "real world"*
MSTie # 35267*DueSer*NatPacker*Nick&NatPacker*X-phile
*****Congratulations to "Due South"--winners of 7 Gemini awards!!*****
**"Due South" returns!! Fridays on CBS. E-mail duesouth@i....... for
info**
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:59:58 -0500
From: patrick kortner aiex <paiex@i.......>
Subject: Gone Nomail
Gang:
I've gone nomail, and will remain so for one week (plus or minus
one day). If you need to get a hold of me, e-mail me at my private address,
and I'll repsond as soon as I return.
ObFK: My archery instructor mentioned that he watches the show off
and on, saying that it's one of the rare programs that he watches. He was
very diappointed to learn of its cancellation. I gave him the addresses of
TPTB, and he said he'll write over spring break.
Pat -- Lone Nanette, B-Negative FoD
Web Page Designer-In-Training
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:16:36 +48000
From: Valerie Meachum <valerie@l.......>
Subject: Re: The New Pooh's Corner
Being this list's original Tigger, I hereby proclaim the following:
LaCroix CANNOT be Tigger. My best theory at this point is that LaCroix
is a Heffalump. (I'm not too fond of the notion of his being Christopher
Robin, either, but can't speak with any real authority there. ;-) ) And
since none of us has ever actually observed a Heffalump in his native
habitat (with the possible exception of Pooh, who had his head stuck in a
hunny jar at the time), this theory cannot be proved or disproved. But
he CANNOT be Tigger.
Janette would never consider being Tigger (not that anyone has suggested
it to my knowledge, but I'm covering all my bases here). Since they're
all stuffed toys and hence reasonably gender-neutral, I'm going to say
Janette is Owl.
Vachon, the Rebel Without a Clue, could easily be Tigger. (Well, *you*
try to de-bounce him...hmmm, does that indicate that Nick is Rabbit?)
Tracy is *definitely* Tigger. One had better not even *try* to de-bounce
her. However, those Bouncing-Quietly Lessons are having some marginal
effect...
Natalie was Tigger a fair amount first season, but increasingly less so
since then. Since I'm Tigger and I'm a NatPacker (and of course bouncing
*is* a defining characteristic of the 'Pack as a whole), I don't like
having to say that, but it's true. She has been considerably
de-bounced. :-(
None of the captains has the slightest discernible trace of Tigger, with
the possible exception of Stonetree and that accordion trophy...
Nick is Tigger on occasion. Nick is EVERYONE on occasion. I should
mention here that the only adult I've ever met who out-Tiggers me is Ger,
so that probably should be taken into consideration.
**This cursory analysis of the Tigger Factor in FK's regular characters
has been brought to you by Boredom at BalletMet, Inc. We now return you
to your regularly scheduled silliness.**
Valerie Lynn Meachum <valerie@l.......>
THE MERRY WIVES OF WINDSOR * Rosebriar Shakespeare Company
March 7-16, 1996 * (000) 000-0000 * Davis Discovery Center, Columbus, OH
Visit us on the Web at http://members.aol.com/wiliqueen/rosebriar.html
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:21:50 +48000
From: Valerie Meachum <valerie@l.......>
Subject: This Pooh Business
Postscript:
Thanks to you gloriously silly people, I now have the song "House at Pooh
Corner" running incessantly through my head for what will probably be the
next six hours at least. You *don't* want to know the images that are
accompanying it as a result of this thread... %-}
Later!
Valerie Lynn Meachum <valerie@l.......>
THE MERRY WIVES OF WINDSOR * Rosebriar Shakespeare Company
March 7-16, 1996 * (000) 000-0000 * Davis Discovery Center, Columbus, OH
Visit us on the Web at http://members.aol.com/wiliqueen/rosebriar.html
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:41:54 -0800
From: [Name removed by request]
Subject: televised Geminis
They didn't run one of those "in ceremonies held earlier tonight
[yesterday], awards were given out in the following categories..." with
little stills of the recipients? No, i still cannot believe i won't get to
see Mr B's acceptance speech.
[Name removed by request]
Each man kills the thing he loves - Gavin Friday
How can you trust someone who bleeds for seven days and doesn't die? - BGW
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:27:00 PT
From: Tami LaFrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: Best season?
I came in during the 2nd season (Stranger Than Fiction). I have to say
that I have found much to love in all 3 seasons. Ger was sexier looking
first season (IMO) and I liked 1st seasons clothing better. But the effects
(esp the flying) were really cheesy 1st season and tons better 2nd season.
There were great stories in all seasons and a few groaners.Second season
had better Lacroix scenes and lines. 1st season had better Janette
scenes and lines (and I'm a sucker for all those little kisses 1st season
between Nick and Janette). I think Natalie got lost (and hasn't really been
found) in most of the 2nd season. Then again, 2nd season had Janette and
Lacroix background stories and Gillian Horvath scripts.I think 3rd season
has gotten closer to the naughty, vampire Nick (like 1st season) than 2nd
season did. But so far, this season has lacked any sign of real struggle
for Nick. It just doesn't feel like he wants to be mortal again. I have
found myself mostly disinterested in rewatching this seasons episodes and
in fact, have only watched all showings of a couple. I don't care for
Tracy. She does nothing for the main plot. I *miss* Schanke. Even in the
worse Schanke episodes, his presence was part of FK and Nick. Tracy is
a non-entity in Nick's life and Nick's life is what FK is supposed to be
about. His life and how those around him affect it. Tracy just doesn't
affect it. OTOH, Reese is my favorite of all 3 captains (sorry, but
Cohen stunk major league). I also find that, aside from Screed, I couldn't
care less about any of the new vampire characters.
All-in-all, I put first and second season as equals and think 3rd season
has lost a lot.
Tami LaFrank : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette :
Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : Eat a live frog first thing in the
"Come in, relax. We're dying : morning and nothing worse can happen
to prolong your life" : to you for the rest of the day.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:11:06 -0500
From: Mary Dutterer <Vulkurt@a.......>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE? LEATHER/WOOL CAST JACKET
Um...I'm interested in the jacket. Who should I write to?
Vulkurt@a.......
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:43:51 +48000
From: Valerie Meachum <valerie@l.......>
Subject: The Tigger Factor
I have commited an unpardonable sacrilege. I forgot Schanke. :-(
Schanke is not Tigger, though he probably could be persuaded to be Tigger
(or anyone else) at the behest of his little girl. ;-) I agree with
whoever said Schanke was Pooh. Though he is anything *but* a Bear of
Very Little Brain, the parenthetical note in my first Pooh post about
heads stuck in Hunny jars and failing to adequately observe Heffalumps
*could* be applied to "Close Call"...
Okay, now I'm shutting up for real.
Valerie Lynn Meachum <valerie@l.......>
THE MERRY WIVES OF WINDSOR * Rosebriar Shakespeare Company
March 7-16, 1996 * (000) 000-0000 * Davis Discovery Center, Columbus, OH
Visit us on the Web at http://members.aol.com/wiliqueen/rosebriar.html
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:53:52 -0500
From: Nancy McCaskey <mccaskn@p.......>
Subject: FK:The Simpsons Cast
>
> >Homer as Nick?
>
Actually, I picture Homer as Schanke...can't you imagine him drooling
"Mmmmmm....souvlaki!" and yelling "D'oh!" every time Nick beats him to an
arrest?
> >Mr. Burns as Lacroix
>
> Deliciously Evil! I love it. But Mr. burns looks to frail to play the
> powerful Uncle. I'd even consider bart, if he wasn't too childish-gotta
> love his obnoxious malevolence.
I wonder if Principal Skinner would work? (Can't you picture him doing a
Nightcrawler-style monologue over the school's P.A. system?)
>
> >Bart as Vachon
> Actually, Otto the bus Driver is perfect.
I agree with this! Just trade the bus in for a motorcycle...
>
> >Lisa as Tracy
>
> Lisa Simpson's too smart to be tracy. Although I do see connection with
> overbearing dad. One of those twins can play her.
>
Nah...Ralph Wiggam could be Tracy, and Chief Wiggam could be promoted to
Commissioner...or maybe Martin could be Tracy.
Bart as Nick...he's not angsty, but he IS rebellious.
Barney as Screed.
I'm having trouble casting the ladies...!
Any ideas?
==================================================================
Nancy McCaskey mccaskn@p.......
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So, does CERK simulcast on shortwave?
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:35:02 -0330
From: Paula Hurley <phurley@b.......>
Subject: Ger on "Diamonds"
I just finished watching the first run of it, but Ger's Diamonds episode
comes on again tonight at 7 pm EST on SHOWCASE, for anybody who gets that
station. His accent is something else. It was very good though.
Paula
Dark Knightie/
Valentine/
Nick&NatPacker/
And likes LaCroix(but I'm not a Cousin, I just have their tendencies)
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:06:25 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@o.......>
Subject: Re: Seasonal Preferences
Jamie wrote:
Im> There've been some interesting debates about how the different seasons
Im> have affected different fans, [snip] In particular, I
Im> like the theory (whose theory? Susan's, maybe?)
That was my theory, and so far everything people have said about the season
they saw first and the season they like best seem to back it up.
Im> that the fan's
Im> perception of the show (and often choice/s of affiliation/s) are
Im> significantly influenced by the season they saw first.
I saw the second season first, but until recently had seen more of the
third season. Nick is very different in all three seasons. Even his wardrobe
- my word! When I finally saw the first season my jaw hit the floor - jeans,
leather jackets... *swoon*.
Jamie also said that for her,
Im> my vision of FK = second season FK, and if I had to be stranded on
Im> the proverbial desert island w/only one season's worth of tapes, that's
Im> the one I'd pick.
I'd be hard pressed to choose. I think I'd have to pick my favourites from
each season. I feel more 'comfortable' watching the second season, but then
I think that is only because I saw it first. I do like the third season
because Nick has been getting close to his vampire nature again, and I think
that's a *good* thing!! (I *like* being a Dark Knightie!)
Okay, so which season would *you* pick for the desert island?
- Marina.
\\ "And tell me if you want to catch that feeling of redemption; //
// That feeling of redemption don't do much for me." - Tanita Tikaram \\
\\========Marina Bailey========tmar@f.......========Knightie======== //
... Picard doesn't wear yellow. Picard doesn't look good in yellow.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:15:26 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: music and literature
>Where does the quote from the final Nightcrawler broadcast in SoB come from?
Oh, goody! An opportunity to play lit-vamp! Thanks, Kat!
"When night
Darkens the streets, then wander forth the sons
Of Belial, flown with insolence and wine."
--- Milton, Paradise Lost, Book 1, Line 500
***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"For how do I hold thee but by thy granting...?" -- W.S. Sonnet 87
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:41:53 -0500
From: Mindja Manners <DrManners@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK on SciFi only? Wail!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 96-03-06 00:51:16 EST, you write:
>I can't get the Sci Fi Channel, and neither can
>most of the San Francisco Bay Area.
I watch FK on KOFY tv 20 Saturday knights at 11:00. In San Francisco.
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:32:00 PST
From: Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: Re: Seasonal Preferences
Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......> wrote:
[Snip] >In particular, I like the
> theory (whose theory? Susan's, maybe?) that the fan's perception of the
> show (and often choice/s of affiliation/s) are significantly influenced by
> the season they saw first.
The theory falls down a bit with me, because I have been a fan of the
"Forever Knight" since the first season - since "Dark Knight" in fact - but
I'm a FoD. (As I recall the original poster remarked that FoDs and Cousins
were more likely to have first seen the series during the second season.)
However, I didn't become a FoD until seeing "Hunters" - which I gather was
the episode which converted more than one of us with FoDly tendencies!
Christine Hawkins
c.hawkins@n.......
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:27:22 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: ELF
<199603060055.QAA17244@m.......>
>Finally. Someone who understands what I feel towards that Screed guy. My
>owner, Sammy, doesn't like the fact that there are no animal vampires on this
>show so far. (She and I have only seen this season so far.)
You missed the episode with the vampire dog, Perry and Raleigh, this season
in Blind Faith.
>Besides I would
>like to have something to write on fanfic about. I would be mortified if I
>was to be Screed next victim. WE HAVE FEELINGS YOU KNOW!! We are not just
>stupid little creatures who sleep all day and lick our fur. We dream, we see,
>we feel.
Yes, you also have to run away from dogs too. :)
>It's not fair that animals such as ourselves are not reconsidered as
>a veiwer of this show.
Who says?
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:56:42 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Shrewthering and Fleshy Question
<199603060229.SAA13036@m.......>
>ObFK Comment: I just saw the repeat of "Hearts of Darkness" (I missed the
>first minute including the "Let's get naked!" line) and it made me think
>about everyone's opinion of USA's effect on season 3. However, I just saw
>one of the first season's episodes, and noticed that the opening theme shows
>a (supposedly) naked woman (she's topless, and just as she turns to face the
>camera, Nick lifts his badge and blocks the view). Personally, I hate when
>they throw in stuff like that just to attract attention. It takes time away
>from the story and rarely every advances the plot. IMHO. This made me
>wonder: Was USA the first to try to throw a little flesh (ala Silk
>Stalkings) in the show, or did CBS try to spice up their "Crimetime After
>Primetime", too?
Well I wasn't as an avid watcher of the first season (one of my few regrets)
back then, but I remember the "badge scene" and personally it didn't
bother me. I remember when my brother came home and first saw the show
he actually laughed at the part. And he is even more uptight than I am!
I don't think it takes away from the story that much. How much attention
can you get from that one instant?
As for the question about CBS attempt to spice things up... CBS doesn't
have anything to do with it. "Crimetime After Primetime" was a collection
of detective shows, period. Along with it you got WiseGuy and Night Heat
(never could stand that show), and scenes like what you described did
not proliferate those shows either.
One thing you are right though... it has been my observation, that the first
seasons episodes seemed to hint more about flesh than the current episodes.
>Now, don't take this as a flame, but a lot of people seem to be putting the
>first season up on a pedestal. I'm trying to understand if it really
>deserves to be held in such higher regard than season three, or if people are
>idealizing it here (I've only seen one season one episode, and it is very
>good, but it doesn't blow season three out of the water like I expected after
>reading this list).
Well first season was new and a bit more exciting than the current episodes.
Look at the dialog between Nick and Schanke during the first season.
Their conversations took on a tone of more man-to-man... something you
can't do with Tracy. The chemistry between Nick/Schanke just isn't the
same with Tracy. In addition to this, time has passed and the fire
has died down a bit.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:55:03 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Radio Commercial
On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Dotti Rhodes wrote:
> I just heard a radio commercial for Forever Knight on USA...
> And now they're showing it on Tuesdays at 10:00 p.m.? This is so insane.
Tuesdays at 10?!?! When the rest of the country is watching NYPD Blue?
Like, *last night*, when I specifically checked the TV schedule, and it
said that they were showing two consecutive episodes of Silk Stalkings?
Does this mean I missed this week's rerun? Does this mean there won't be
a rerun Friday morning? Does this give us any hope that USA might
someday be sensible enough to give the world a HL/FK block every evening?
That's what I'm changing my letters to, btw. "I've heard that you now own
the syndicated rights to the first two seasons of the remarkable series
"Forever Knight," and I want to urge you air those episodes in tandem with..."
***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"For how do I hold thee but by thy granting...?" -- W.S. Sonnet 87
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