FORKNI-L
Digest - 25 Feb 1996
Sun, 25 Feb 1996
There are 14 messages totalling 393 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. SHREW Planning
2. Sorry -Last Knight Discussion
3. FK Endings
4. Time out, guys
5. SPOILER: Last Night
6. Retrieving fiction
7. Factions: A Top Ten with a different perspective
8. Digest
9. Re. Opportunities
10. Delurking/Deb Sighting
11. Fwd: new list
12. How Many Will Stay On?
13. preserving blood
14. Closure
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:38:14 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: SHREW Planning
Ahem. Announcement to the list (sorry if you've heard this already): for
those interested in going to see GWD in "Taming of the Shrew" in Toronto
at the end of April, planning for this event is moving tomorrow (Monday,
Feb. 26) to the DEBSPLAY mailing list.
If you're interested in participating, subscribe to the list *now* by
sending the following message to <LISTSERV@p.......> -- *without* the
quotes:
"SUBSCRIBE DEBSPLAY Firstname Lastname"
Please don't post to this list with Shrew stuff until Monday; after that
time the folks who went to see Deb's play will be going on their merry
way and we'll take over.
After subscribing, you can post messages to the list by sending them to
<DEBSPLAY@p.......>. On Monday I'll be posting the latest updates to
that list (including a few new tidbits about the unique nature of this
production of "Shrew"), so be sure to subscribe so that you won't miss
them.
Anyone who is bothered by the fact that the mailing list we're using to
organize our trip to Ger's play is called DEBSPLAY, let me just go
through the proof for you:
Assume Deb = Ger
Then DEBSPLAY = GERSPLAY
Q.E.D.
;^)
Many thanks to Laurie Salopek for leaving this list up for us to use in
planning the event that has come to be known as "The Shrewthering."
Any correspondence to me (Allison) on this topic should contain the word
SHREW in the subject line. My e-mail is <percy91@w.......>.
The preceeding message was brought to you by the Semi-organizer of The
Shrewthering....
* Allison Percy, Knightie percy91@w....... *
* -- Have angst, will travel -- *
* See GWD in "Taming of the Shrew" April 25, 26, & 27 in Toronto. *
* E-mail me with SHREW in the subject line for more info. *
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:12:53 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Sorry -Last Knight Discussion
Someone brought up the fact that even though it is complete speculation, any
discussion of "Last Knight" really belongs on the Spoiler list. She's quite
right, and I apologize to all on the list that I failed to realize that.
Somehow, since it hadn't been aired and we weren't sure, it didn't register as a
real episode - I'm really sorry!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:12:55 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Endings
Laura wrote:
" It seems asif the logical conclusion to FK, which would take the series full
circle, is that Nick and LC would leave Toronto together. Thiswould enforce
that Nick's life in Toronto, although the life we know most about, is only one
brief chapter in his entire existence, no more meaningful or important than
any other. "
I don't agree with the fact that this life would be less meaningful that any
other. I think it's obvious Nick relishes this life more than other, otherwise
he wouldn't have bothered to fight so hard to keep this one going. He had many
opportunities to run, but because of this life and Natalie he didn't do it.
I can't see him just running out on Natalie, I simply can't see him doing it. I
don't think our Nick is capable of that. So, if he would leave this life and
Toronto it would have to be because not only because he lost another partner,
but I think Nat (and I hate the thought) would have to die as well. THAT, I
believe, would send him back to LC in a heartbeat and out of Toronto. Then he
truly would have no reason to stay there. Duncan went on without Tessa, so Nick
could go on without Nat (sorry N/Natpackers, etc.). I really want to see them
run off into the sunrise together, but I don't get the feeling that's gonna
happen, so this is about the only way I can see it working.
Dotti R
Knightie 4Ever
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:14:06 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Time out, guys
Look, I can't give specific arguments because I don't want to have to
do a separate post for Forkn-l.
But, as someone with quite enough real life stress, without borrowing
any extra unhappiness about FK --
Can't we please stop scaring ourselves to death with our own scenarios
for the final episode? Judging from some of the posts I've seen lately,
we're treating stuff we speculated on as gospel.
Let's wait until we have something specific to lament. I've had to deal
with quite a lot of grief in my personal life in the last few years, and
if there's one thing I've learned, it's that grief isn't lessened by
worrying in advance. That only makes it worse when the actual fact arrives.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:50:05 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Night
>Hope, lives eternal. Remember, it could all have been a dream. Someone was
>in a coma, etc.
Yes, I can see it now, as Sorcha says: Schanke steps out of the shower and
says "Myra, I've been having the weirdest dream ..."
GWD says we wouldn't have to but there are other quotes ...
---- TJ
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine: News of the Science Fiction Universe
http://www.cybervanguard.com
Come visit us, or write us at vanguard@p....... for sponsorship info
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:49:36 -0500
From: Chanda Keith <ckeith@u.......>
Subject: Retrieving fiction
Could someone please tell me privately how to retrieve fiction parts that I
might have missed? I know that someone has explained this before but I
accidentally deleted the message.
Chanda Keith Ravenette and Immortal Beloved
ckeith@u....... or cwkeith@c.......
"Forever Knight has been cancelled. If you want to help efforts to reverse
this decision, visit the official Save FK Webpage!" at
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:11:46 -0600
From: Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Factions: A Top Ten with a different perspective
In the interest of providing complete information to all new listmembers:
Top Ten Reasons You Should Remain Faction-Free <vbg>
By the Unaffiliated (Diane E)
10. You don't have to worry about LaCroix having you for lunch-- well, no more
so than any other non-Cousin, anyway! ;)
9. You don't have to live up to Nick's absurdly high standards-- and he'll
never try to send you away just when things get interesting "for your own
good".
8. You don't have to support Nat while she wastes her life searching for a
cure for a guy who doesn't properly appreciate her.
7. You can dress as you like, without being declared a disgrace to your fellow
Ravenettes (I could add something, but it's under spoiler protection!)
6. You don't have to worry about getting in trouble with your Guild for not
getting paid for something... or for getting paid for something you didn't do!
5. You don't even have to choose *not* to choose!
4. Your affiliation character *cannot* be killed off or written out of the
show by TPTB.
3. You don't have to defend Tracy/Vachon/Urs/Screed/Perry/etc. from attacks
(on=list and in the Wars)-- but you can if you want to!
2. If you hire a Merc to do a job, nobody will suspect you. They'll all blame
the other factions! <eg>
and the best reason to *not* declare a faction:
1. Nobody ever attacks you, even if you set yourself up (!) because you just
seem *soooooo* harmless. <veg> Meanwhile, you can meddle all you want! ;))))
Diane E
The one-n, unaffiliated, but very busy one! :)
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:27:25 -0600
From: "George S. Anderson" <yudhi@m.......>
Subject: Digest
Dear Kni lovers;
I love this group but can not keep up with all the mail. Does this group
have a DIGEST option. HELP !!!
George S. Anderson
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:37:45 -0500
From: Anime House <marg@g.......>
Subject: Re. Opportunities
>Answering me, answering Janette Z, Marina said:
>Can anything be worse? How about "Crazy Love"? Yuk. I *love* "Baby Baby"!
Well, like I say--subjectivity is the bottom line in anything. Crazy Love is
a nothing episode for me--in the big, middle slush pile of episodes that
don't rate as strongly good or bad. I hated Baby, Baby for its premise, and
I thought the directing, film editing, etc. was amazingly bad. You,
obviously, were watching a different version ofit, just as I watched a
different version of Outside the Lines than a lot of other people. <g> That
happens all the time with TV, which is why I have this tendency to talk back
to the "third season is drek, not *real* FK" posts. *None* of it is good or
bad in any absolute sense--it's whatever works for each of us as individuals.
>This also got me thinking about something else... I wonder if the first
>episodes a person sees colour how they see the rest of FK?
The first episode I watched was the TV movie Nick Knight, and I saw the
whole weekly series pretty much in order (I think I may have seen Cherry
Blossoms first, but generally speaking, I've been here from day 1). When
second season came around, I expected to hate the fact that they brought
Lacroix back to life--but I didn't. When third season came around, I
expected to hate the "Lost Boy" vampire (I generally dislike rock music
vampires, and I didn't like that film at all)--yet Vachon quickly turned
into my favorite TV character since Duncan MacLeod in the first season of
Highlander.
>And Janette Z said
>And Trophy Girl had it's good scenes, Nick and the psycho in jail, but I
>thought that everything outside of those scenes was pathetic.
Actually, the psycho was my least favorite element of that plotline, though
I can't say he bothered me over much. He was such an obvious Hannibal Lector
rip-off that there was nothing interesting about him--on the other hand, I
don't watch FK for the thriller plots, I watch it for the characters, and
therefore I accept him as shorthand. They could feed off people being
familiar with "Silence of the Lambs" and thereby establish a lot of
backstory without wasting time filming it.
The part of the episode that interested me was the plotline with Tracy, her
problems handling her first killing, the amazing denseness of Reese and Nick
in how they didn't see *any* of the obvious warning signs, and so on.
Admittedly there was a bad plot hole in the fact that there *should* have
been a psych debriefing after she killed the guy, which hopefully would've
caught the situation--but then, those things are always ignored in cop
shows. Anyway, it was a great Tracy episode--told a lot about the sublayers
of her psychology, the extent of her need to prove herself, how much she
hates to admit she can't cope with something, etc.
Subjectivity again. And, to borrow Stephanie's phrase, I am *not* a
"third-season ignorant". I've seen every episode, but I've rewatched "Black
Buddha", "Outside the Lines", "My Boyfriend is a Vampire", "Trophy Girl",
"Hearts of Darkness" and "Fever" far more often already than I've ever
rewatched any first or second season episode--including "A More Permanent
Hell", which gets my objective (non-emotional) vote as the finest episode
they've ever done.
TTFN
Marg
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:54:23 -0800
From: K Swanson <kswanson@d.......>
Subject: Re: Delurking/Deb Sighting
Fran asks:
>staying on the list" comment and to ask if anyone has seen a trailer for a
>new movie called "Independence Day." I could have sworn that I saw Deb in
>the preview. Am I crazy (that's another discussion) or has anyone else seen
>this?
I also saw this trailer about two weeks ago, and thought it was her as well.
Movie looked kinda fun.....
Karyn Swanson
kswanson@d.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:05:43 -0500
From: "Vanessa R. McClellen" <Cmac94@a.......>
Subject: Fwd: new list
To all FK fans......
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Forwarded message:
From: ltdark@e.......
To: cmac94@a.......
Date: 96-01-30 19:09:15 EST
my newlist if finally up and running properly
subscribe by sending this message to listserv@p.......:
subscribe fk-l cmac94@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:22:33 -0500
From: Sharon Scott <Sss44@a.......>
Subject: Re: How Many Will Stay On?
I'm here for the long haul. I can't imagine giving up the sharing of
information, fun, torment, despair, hope, silliness, and friendliness of the
people on the FK lists.
Besides, I still have a few people to pay back for various green things. :-)
And on the subject of Cousin Unity, may I say that I've been a Lady of the
Knight for however long I've been on the lists. I have a coffee mug and
cross-stitched bookmark to prove it, compliments of a friend, discovered
through these very lists. :-)
Scottie
Forever Lady of the Dark Knight
scotts@b....... or sss44@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:27:59 -0500
From: Amy Potter <APotter@g.......>
Subject: preserving blood
Actually, just taking the platelets out of the blood wouldn't be
much help, as there are many proteins in blood which cause clotting
and which probably couldn't be easily removed. Blood can be
frozen, but I think it's only good for about a year.
Is there a list anywhere of web pages of FK list members? I'm not
talking about just dedicated FK pages, but personal pages as well.
--amy
Email: APotter@g.......
Home Page: http://members.gnn.com/APotter/page1.htm
You're almost 800 years old . . . what's an egg?
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:48:45 -0500
From: Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: Closure
At 09:11 AM 2/25/96 +0000, Karen Tobin wrote:
>Something strikes me as really odd about all of this. I've always
>heard that producers, networks, stations, etc DON'T want closure.
Would you all please move this discussion about the last episode of FK to
FKSPOILR.
Any and all discussions of upcoming episodes that might reveal anything
about the plot belong there. We have a lot of people on this list that
don't want to know anything about episodes they haven't seen yet.
Jane (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)
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