FORKNI-L
Digest - 12 Feb 1996
Mon, 12 Feb 1996
There are 28 messages totalling 636 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Music
2. YKYB...
3. HELP! Need Human Factor
4. acronym confusion (2)
5. FK vows and Con Help Wanted
6. Divia
7. Phone numbers, please
8. FOund volunteer
9. why human blood
10. Spoiler: Human Factor (2)
11. Murder (2)
12. Phone numbers, please...never mind
13. Stake Feltheimer!<kinda long>
14. Local Syndicated Station & a Plea
15. Stake Feltheimer II... (3)
16. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17. WARNING! PLEASE READ!
18. I brought someone across!
19. Music?
20. digest
21. Janette's Last name
22. Introductions are in order... (2)
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:29:39 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Re: Music
>On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Loose Cannon wrote:
>
>>What music did you use to inspire you to write? I.e. the name of the cd
>>or tape, and the artist.
For FK, it depends on the story. For the most part I like Classical or
Baroque violin, Rachmaninoff piano concertos, or run through the full
catalogue of the Beethoven Symphonies (that's for the looong stories).
There are certain pieces, however, that tend to work with certain stories.
"Knight in Hell" was written with Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances #45, #2 in
mind, because for me it emptimozes the unknowing descent into madness.
When writing Nick's POV, I usually have Depeche Mode's "Songs of Faith and
Devotion" or "Violator," "Sanctuary" by the Damned, or "Oingo Boingo Live".
For Natalie I tend to use "Titanic Days" or anything else by Kirsty MacColl
as a focus, not to forget "The Best of Ultravox". LaCroix's POV I tend to
use classical violin or piano. Janette, too, more often than not has been
classical for me.
Regards
When we get a fourth season, the hair GOES.
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Get all your info for Saving Forever Knight from:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:04:04 CST
From: Don Durham <don.durham@d.......>
Subject: YKYB...
YKYBWTMFKW:
Someone drops by to talk to you at work, and as they leave they
say, "I was just killing time waiting for LaCroix." All I could
think was, "Uncle wouldn't have anything to do with you. Not even
for lunch." Then I remembered that we have a person working here
named 'LaCroix'. I usually separate them mentally, as he is a
heinous insult to a good family name.
Don, Cousin
don.durham@d.......
Woody: "You're flying!"
Buzz: "This isn't flying. This is falling with style!"
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:21:04 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: HELP! Need Human Factor
I've just had a call from a friend who tried to watch last night while
taping. She says our station was off the air, so no Forever Knight
was shown.
Please, can someone get me a copy here stat? I'll be happy to mail a
check for the cost of the tape and priority mail postage as soon as
I know to whom to send it.
Thanks,
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:06:52 -0500
From: "Carma A. Singleton" <carmas@v.......>
Subject: acronym confusion
Thank you to everyone who wrote to me privately to clear up my acronym
questions. Also thanks to anyone who wrote to the list (I haven't gotten to
read my digests yet this morning) who I don't know about yet.
Another question: I know that I can find this out myself, but you guys
probably already know the answer. I think that when I switched from USA to
my syndicated station (once I found out they were still showing FK) I
somehow missed an episode. I saw FEVER on USA, then this past weekend I saw
the episode with Deborah Duchene (THE HUMAN FACTOR?) but what was in between
those episodes in syndication? Carma <carmas@v.......>
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:49:49 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: acronym confusion
On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Carma A. Singleton wrote:
> I saw FEVER on USA, then this past weekend I saw
> the episode with Deborah Duchene (THE HUMAN FACTOR?) but what was in between
> those episodes in syndication?
You missed "Dead of Night" and "Games Vampires Play."
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker & Nick&NatPacer
SF Bay Area Friends of FK
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:55:18 -0500
From: Lisa Clevenger <Sukhmet@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK vows and Con Help Wanted
Thanks to all who attened to Arlington party. My aren't we a comic
bunch<BEG> I had a blast hosting and will be happy to do it a gain in the
future.
Jennifer and Sherri have a great Idea for the booth. You should see about
getting some fan generated merchedise. I'm sure someone would be happy to
have an oppertunity to make some money. Just an Idea.
I would be happy to help work the booth if it does happen.
Cousin Suk
I don't like being dead. I find it quite annoying, actually. LC C&C
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:02:12 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Re: Divia
Lisa McDavid said:
<I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to get it,
but Nigel did say at Crescent City Con that an episode
this season would tell us more about Divia.>
I believe this is the episode that NB was scheduled
to direct so . . . it should be in the final six. (Did I say
*final*? I meant the *next* six.)
Lynn
Chatelyne@a.......
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:35:47 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Phone numbers, please
Ok, thanks to my messed up NYU server I have lost half of my
messages...including the one with the phones numbers to call (TriStar is
really the one I am after). Can someone help me, please?
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker & Nick&NatPacker
SF Bay Area Friends of FK
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:37:53 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: FOund volunteer
Tamilyn LaFrank has very kindly offered to make me a copy of Human
Factor. Thank you, Tami!
And thanks to anyone else who was about to offer. I appreciate it.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:36:13 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: why human blood
Seeing things in the blood or getting impressions from the blood
seems to only work between vampires in the FK universe. I can recall
no indication that such a thing occurs when a vampire bites a mortal.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
(three seasons to the wind)
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:55:43 -0800
From: Ida K Egenberger <egenberi@w.......>
Subject: Spoiler: Human Factor
Was anyone else sobbing during the commercial after Janette got shot and
was stuck in the fire telling Nick not to bring her across? I know I
can't be the only one. As happy as I was that Janette was brought across
again the story still bothers me.
I like the fact that Janette chose de Brabant as her last name. Even
though she says she left because of Nick she still took something
that maybe made her feel closer to him. And why couldn't Nick sense that
Janette was mortal? Couldn't he sense that their bond was gone?
Nat also seemed more surprised than Nick to find out that Janette was
mortal. That was probably due to *major* frustration. She works on Nick
for 4 years trying to get him to reach mortality and the one person you
would never suspect to want to become mortal does it in a few months.
Poor Nat. And especially the way Janette did it! Horribly poor Nat!
Also, it just doesn't seem right for Janette to be 'swept off her feet'
by a fireman, much too cliche for her. She'd need someone like a
misunderstood prince from a small unknown country somewhere in the alps.
The one thing that made me happy is at least having Nicholas as Janettes
'master' instead of LaCroix. At least we know he'll give her more freedom
than LaCroix would with her knew quest, if she decides to pursue being
human again.
I'd like to say that I *loved* Ger's direction on this one but I can't.
That's not to say that I didn't like most of it. Janette's flashbacks
while walking down that long flight of stairs was down well. However, he
pulled one of those C&C scenes with the camera circling Nick and Janette
when they are reunited. That just made me dizzy.
Another good thing, Patrick. He might grow up to be as good an actor as
his dad. I'm glad Ger gave Galen the chance to be in his dad's show. Even
though it seems like nepotism I love it when actors bring their children
on the job.
Did anyone notice during the credits that the soundtrack is available? Is
that really true now or were they jumping the gun? If it's now available
for release give me the number, I want at least 3 of them!
That, I believe, is my longest post in a long time!
Ida Egenberger
egenberi@w.......
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:02:24 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Murder
Teresa Davidson writes:
>Nigel said at DOWII that LaCroix considers humans as food -- no more,
>no less.)
Then why would he want to bring any *human* across. Seems to me that
that would be akin to me wanting to make a cow a human. If vampires
only saw humans as food, why would there be any more than one vampire?
At least bringing over your *food* seems pretty perverse to me. :)
Does that mean that FK vampires can be equated (when bringing over
mortals they like) to lonely shepherds with nothing but sheep for
company (if you take my "adult" meaning ;) )?
If FK vampires can value some humans as more than "food", then,
outside of perversity, it seems to me that to "kill" other humans
for "food" *is* murder.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:11:24 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Phone numbers, please...never mind
Ok, ignore my phone number request...unless someone has some suggestions
that I missed in my "Stake Feltheimer" post.
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker & Nick&NatPacker
SF Bay Area Friends of FK
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:07:04 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Stake Feltheimer!<kinda long>
I am relaying my sister's encounters from this mornings phone call spree.
First things first: She called the local syndie, KFTY-TV50 in Santa Rosa,
California, and spoke with the general manager, John Burges, and he told
her that (a) he didn't know *anything* about what was going on (that does
explain why we never got any response to our letters), and (b) the
stations contract with Columbia/TriStar expires in mid-September and that
he was told (by them?) not to expect it to be renewed. Kira explained to
him that the future of the show depended on the syndies going *out of
their way* to ask for a fourth season. He said that even though he has
already made preliminary plans to fill the time slot he said he would
reconsider if given a fourth season...he also promised to call TriStar.
His number, for anyone in No. California (or anyone else who doesn't mind
the long distance) is (000) 000-0000. They currently run the show at
9:00pm Saturday night (better than most time slots).
Second, and not so encouraging: Kira then called TriStar, and she was
told that all calls concerning FK were to go to Jim Parriott, they even
gave her his number. So, knowing that she wasn't going to get any
cooperation from them she called. She said JP's secretary was really
sweet and helpful; she also said that the TriStar people were full of it,
they were just re-routing calls to JP so they wouldn't have to deal with
it. And she gave Kira Feltheimer's number, (000) 000-0000, (*his* number
to bypass the switchboard...I'm sure it has already been posted).
JF's secretary, however, was not nearly as nice or as cooperative, and it
took all of Kira's self-restraint not to let her have it. Tip: If you
call JF's office remember SHE IS SCREENING HIS CALLS! (No big surprise,
really, any good secretary does it, but still...ggrrrr!) So, if you
really want to talk to him don't mention FK, because he is *not* taking
any calls about the show.
Other than that: the only San Francisco station to air the show is
KOFY-TV20. They have really wierd hours for their programming dept., but
the number is (000) 000-0000. The General Manager's name is Mike Lincoln
(I don't think they take calls until 3:30...and then only for hour or
something...). And KOFY airs the show at 11:00pm Saturday nights (still
better than a lot of time slots).
Sorry I don't have anything more encouraging...I'm off to donate some blood.
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker & Nick&NatPacker
SF Bay Area Friends of FK
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:03:36 -0500
From: Shannon Thompson <celtic@JAX-INTER.NET>
Subject: Local Syndicated Station & a Plea
Hiya!
All of this talk of 'Human Factor'has me in great pain. I went out Saturday
and taped it. Unfortunately, when I went to watch my tape, there was *no
sound*. I'm distraught!!!!!!! The other stuff on the tape is fine, but all
of the FOX programming that night has *no sound*. So, can someone *PLEASE*
e me about sending me a copy?
On a better note, I called my station (WAWS Channel 30). I spoke to a
wonderful man in Programming, Robert Keel. He *watches* the program!!!! He
also implied it was an operator error :( But we will get FK through at
least September. He didn't know if it was to be renewed and *he* doesn't
expect to know until July.
I'm know off to send him a nice little thank you note for his help
Shannon
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:24:37 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Stake Feltheimer II...
I'm not sure if this is actually *good* news, per se, but: my sister
called Rod Perth's office. Even though he too is having his secretary
screen his calls, Kira did say she was very sweet. She also said that the
secretary, Sally, specifically told her to "hold out a glimmer of hope"
because the USA morons who got us into this mess in the first place are
"reconsidering their options."
Not promising, but anything is better nothing.
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker & Nick&NatPacker
SF Bay Area Friends of FK
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:31:49 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Murder
On Feb 12, 1996 13:02:24, 'Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>'
wrote:
>At least bringing over your *food* seems pretty perverse to me. :)
Oh, I dunno. One time, I had this thing with cannoli cream and
strawberries, and it was sooooo good; if I could've shared all eternity
with this dessert, I think I'd have considered it a viable possibility...
<g>
There aren't that many food products that evoke such strong longings, but
every so often, the RIGHT one comes along...
...if you get my drift. I find it perfectly consistent that LaCroix should
consider humans to be 'food', except for the few select souls who he finds
interesting... especially since, IMO, most of the people on this planet
basically take up space; so that to a point, I agree with him.
--
KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>
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THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:37:31 -0500
From: "Teresa S.Edwards" <TeresaE25@a.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: Human Factor
Am I the only one who thinks that Nick did NOT bring Janette
across? Why would anyone think he did???
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:12:19 -0600
From: Annmarie <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Stake Feltheimer II...
At 01:24 PM 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm not sure if this is actually *good* news, per se, but: my sister
>called Rod Perth's office. Even though he too is having his secretary
>screen his calls, Kira did say she was very sweet. She also said that the
>secretary, Sally, specifically told her to "hold out a glimmer of hope"
>because the USA morons who got us into this mess in the first place are
>"reconsidering their options."
Alora..Wonderful! What actual phone number did she use? Thanks :)
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:10:54 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Stake Feltheimer II...
Sounds like we need to push USA again. I wonder if "reconsidering
their options" means that the syndicated (non-USA) ratings have
improved with the airing of the new eps that USA *doesn't* have.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:11:18 -0800
From: Lisa Reeves <ad483@d.......>
Subject: ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Folks, PLEASE!
Human Factor is definately still under spoiler protection. So are most of the
six final 3rd season episodes.
A great many of us are cut off from new episodes. The tape tree is WONDERFUL,
but it takes time.
Please don't post spoiler information here. That's what FK-SPOILER is for.
And if you're not sure, put some spacer at the top....I'm one of those folks
who reads by the paragraph; it all hits at once. And I've hit 2 huge spoilers
today for stuff I DIDN'T want to know yet.
Thanks!
--
Lisa Reeves @-->--->--- | ad483@d.......
GDFN Help Staff | Mercenary for Chocolate
Save Forever Knight! Site for details:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:21:50 -0600
From: Annmarie <mickey@c.......>
Subject: WARNING! PLEASE READ!
There are SPOILERS on this list. They may be mistakes..but if you haven't
seen "Human Factor" then PLEASE BE CAREFUL!!!! Yes, I'm shouting!
I finally got to see HF last night,but thats because I stayed up until 1 AM
to do so.
I am sure that a lot of people in my area did not stay up and have taped it
in anticipation of seeing it tonight. Please,view it BEFORE you read some of
these posts.
Anyone wishing to discuss HF send a message to the listserv "subscribe fkspoilr"
and then your name not e-mail address,your name and delete your signature
file form the message or it won't go.
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:29:22 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@f.......>
Subject: I brought someone across!
Sorry for ranting, but I finally managed it - I BROUGHT SOMEONE ACROSS!
I, in SF/Fantasy-free South Africa, managed to bring someone across.
The episodes I used to accomplish this were (plus my friend's comments):
"Baby Baby" - "Didn't like that one with that female vampire."
"Who, Janette?"
"No, the one with the tower."
"Oh, Serena."
"Stranger Than Fiction" - "Wondered what was going on."
"Close Call" - "But when it got to the part where he thinks back to Nick
being a vampire, something clicked."
"My Boyfriend is a Vampire" - "That was interesting, the one about the TV
announcer."
"The what?"
"The TV announcer, who was murdering people?"
"The wh-- oh, 'My Boyfriend is a Vampire'."
"Yeah, that one."
"Night in Question" - "Oh baby, that was a good episode. Well!!! I like
Natalie."
"Sons of Belial" - "That one where he got possessed was scary. Yow! And I
was watching this in the middle of the night!"
Misc. comments:
"I hate LaCroix, he irritates me."
"When did they change from the male to the female partner?"
"Is there an episode where Natalie finds out Nick is a vampire?"
- "She knows he's a vampire."
- "Yeah, I know, but do we ever see how she found out?"
"I love to see how he fights it. When his eyes start turning yellow I was
shouting, 'No, no, don't!'"
"You have to send me more! Quick!"
*Happy sigh* I brought someone across. And now it looks as if I will have to
tape all my episodes for her. It's a dirty job, but somebody's *got* to do
it! :)
- Marina. (tmar@f.......; Knightie)
\\ Advice to Nick: "She hates the shirt, get rid of //
// the shirt, burn the bloody shirt!" - Lenny Henry.\\
... * <-- Tribble d*b <-- Tribble listening to Walkman
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:00:18 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re: Music?
>>What music did you use to inspire you to write? I.e. the name of the cd
>>or tape, and the artist.
At the moment, Indigo Girls...or the Mercedes Lackey filksong albums...
Whatever I happen to be into at the time...and sometimes I don't listen to
anything...it all depends on the mood I'm in at the time.
Katya
-=feel the call of the Knight...=-
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:28:36 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: digest
how do you get on digest?
toni m.
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:16:18 -0500
From: Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject: Janette's Last name
According to the majority of fan fiction, the name Janette used during her
days at the Raven was Ducharme. But according to my memory (which I am
beginning to doubt considering my confusion about her age [see FKSPOILR
list]), the name she used on the show was Dubois. Which is right?
Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <ag775@f.......>
(who will NEVER again leave the computer beside the VCR on while taping!)
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:38:37 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: Introductions are in order...
welcome dark phoenix to the land of the non-living. i am a wombat, we're not
too fond of the phoenix but we would prefer to die laughing. what persuasion
are thou of? I myself have a hard time distinguishing between my multiple
personalities; one is Vaquera and the other, Cousin and each are trying to
persuade the other to join them (tho' the Cousin sidde tries harder)
welcome.
goodbye.
toni m.
<evil cackle in a hollow room>
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:43:55 -0600
From: Fire And Life Incarnate <NSHEA4371@a.......>
Subject: Re: Introductions are in order...
Date sent: 12-FEB-1996 15:35:40
what persuasion
>are thou of? I myself have a hard time distinguishing between my multiple
>personalities; one is Vaquera and the other, Cousin and each are trying to
>persuade the other to join them (tho' the Cousin sidde tries harder)
>welcome.
>goodbye.
>toni m.
><evil cackle in a hollow room>
Persuasion? Ummm... are we getting personal? Nah...just kidding, I
admit to having a warped sense of humor, and I occasoinally have these
twisted impulses that I give in to. Do I have to take a side? I'd
perfer to do my own thing. I'm a little out of it now, 'cause I
didn't get to sleep 'til 6:15 a.m. and my best friend called me at
9:30 to see what I was doing. (he's going to regret that mistake, heh,
heh, heh) So, if none of this makes sense, no, there's nothing wrong
with you, I accept full responsibility. ;-)
Later!
Dark Phoenix
Coming soon to a galaxy near you!
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DARK PHOENIX <<--->> Amy Head <--> NSHEA4371@a.......
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