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Digest - 10 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Sat, 10 Feb 1996
There are 30 messages totalling 1000 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Bloooooood and biting
2. anti-heroes and bionic/supernatural folks
3. The Nick-Nat question
4. Is it Sony or is it TriStar? (2)
5. Another Fascinating Topic (this one's LONG!)
6. A quick question re: webpages (2)
7. Letter signing
8. HELP: Flyers
9. Nick Being Brought Across
10. SOS: Turnin' Up the Volume
11. FK tapes offer
12. Vampires in Alaska
13. Vampires: Predators or Monsters?
14. Ger in 'Airwolf'
15. ykybw.../Natalie's quandry
16. I missed some eps!!!HELP! (2)
17. EW/letter writing
18. identity crisis (3)
19. Does LaCroix have a conscience?
20. Channel 20 - UPN - WTXX
21. Vampires in Toronto
22. <No subject given>
23. FK tapes
24. Ger's play
25. Fanfic help needed
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:12:43 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Re: Bloooooood and biting
On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Cassie Carter wrote:
> how much blood does a vampire need each day for survival?
Well, seems like LaCroix just about always has a glass close at hand, but
Nick must go his whole shift (8 hours?) without refreshment. I don't think
there is an answer to this question in canon, or to my previous question
about whether any of *our* vamps still kill regularly for blood. . . although
I suspect Vachon . . . well, we don't know *where* that mouth has been!
Better not say more. Wouldn't want to make Apache mad at me. :::evil grin:::
Guess this is just one area that'll have to be dealt with only in fanfic.
Lynn
Chatelyne@a.......
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:21:30 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: anti-heroes and bionic/supernatural folks
Please forgive me if this went through before: I sent it about
two days ago and it never appeared, as far as I can tell. It's about
Cassie Carter's thread-questions concerning the attraction of
anti-heroes, and the attractions of supernatural strength, especially
when it is covered with a veil of real or apparent "evil." -- L.
> Cousin Alm wrote:
> Why are we attracted to so-called antiheroes? Perhaps because they
> express a side of our nature that we either cannot or will not, yet
> wish we could.
Just a quick thought or two: I think we like anti-heroes because
in fiction we get to control the extent of their wickedness. In fiction,
they are Byron's Corsair with a a thousand crimes and one good deed, and
we get to focus on the one good deed. In real life, even if they are
beautiful and deadly -- "mad, bad, and dangerous to know" -- they are
well out of control and likely to be as destructive of other people as
Byron himself was. And as unlikely to suffer any remorse at all as he
was.
Bionic people and vampires in FK have in common that they must be
created by others who were originally human (so they are exotic subsets of
human existence), and that in that creation some weakness is left in. The
heel by which they held and dipped, so to speak. It seems to me to be a
similar impulse to the anti-hero one: in fiction, we can have our deadly
peril calibrated so that we can love it, even indulge our own fantasies of
being powerful and compelling. In acquiring that strength -- new bionic
parts or a new life as a vampire -- we do not acquire strength out of all
recognition. Instead, it is if not a crippled strength, a vulnerable one,
and we can easily project our own vulnerability into this new context.
For me this translates into a powerful imaginative attraction to
Vachon the active vampire and LaCroix the master vampire that is tied to
a powerful sense that the FK character I'd most like to be in real life
is Schanke -- a happy, effective, flawed person whose universe centers on
a really solid family. (Unfortunately, I'm more like Nat, but let's
definitely not get into that.)
Laura
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:25:31 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: The Nick-Nat question
Sharon Himmanen writes:
>I think first season worked so well is because the character
>relationships were very balanced--there was a Nick-Nat-Janette
>triangle that had an even amount of tension in it. That got lost in
>second season.
And got lost for one major reason--the return of LC. The focus
shifted more to Nick-LC-Janette, probably partly because people kept
saying they wanted to see more of the vampires. But I've been
thinking about first season recently and I would venture to say the
Nick-Nat-Janette triangle was more than "romantic". To me, it was
more a pull between mortality (Nat) and vampirism (Janette) and the
attractions of each *lifestyle* or *morality* rather than a personal
*romantic* pull in each direction. Although it was clear very early
on that Nat cared about Nick, I think he purposely tried to avoid
regarding her romantically until Only the Lonely made him realize
that he did have feelings for her of that nature. The strength of
the first season was almost "myth" in nature, the struggle between
"good" and "evil" if you will. *Issues* were more important than
the *individuals* to some extent; at times the characters acted more
as metaphors for certain philosophical views (but as expressed within
the confines of the characters). Janette was a viable reminder of
some of the things Nick finds attractive about being a vampire. Nat
in some respects was a tangible representation of his goal (mortality).
With the return of LC in second season, however, things degenerated
more into character studies. Moral viewpoints and philosophies took
a back seat to an extent. It may have added more "realism" to the
universe, but it also lessened the impact of some story issues
But there seemed sometimes to be the problem of loss of character too
(characters written to suit the storyline). Sometimes, instead of
seeking how an issue could be fit to the character, they tried to fit
the character to the issue (there's a difference, imo). Personally,
I think it was a mistake to ever have Nick act on his feelings for
Nat. They should have avoided it, imo.
>I think they're sorry they ever introduced it in the first place
>because it restricts Nick's ability to go with the neck of the week.
Yes, I can see where they might think that for that reason. I don't,
however, think it was a necessary element to even introduce.
>*why* has the danger to Natalie in a relationship like this *never*
>been addressed?
Well, she was almost dinner in Sons of Belial, but to some extent that
wasn't *Nick* and she can console herself to an extent that that wasn't
*him* (it was nice to see her frightened by it though; I'm glad they
did that much in the writing of that ep). But, really, they *haven't*
explored the "romance" between them that much except in a few eps
like Only the Lonely and Be My Valentine. Really, if you want to
look at it this way, they've only been *jointly* romantic since BMV
because in OTL Nat kept Nick at a distance when she didn't let him
kiss her.
>How about a scene where he vamps out when he kisses her.
Yeah, he's been shown vamping out with women of lesser acquaintance
that he has shown less feeling for. But, if you recall, in second
season's Stranger Than Fiction, Nick was able to control visibly
vamping out with Emily Weiss. So maybe it's partly a matter of him
having more control. He certainly seemed to in kissing Nat in BMV.
But then they've yet to show them getting really "hot and heavy", in
which situation I would expect Nick to have control problems. But
then I'm not for a Nick-Nat romance as I don't think the focus of
the show should be on that.
>I can't believe we're 2.5 seasons into the thing, there is a
>relationship between them, and this has never been addressed.
Well, as I said above, I don't think the relationship has been very
"overt" until BMV. Maybe Nat is getting bitchy because of this lack
of "romance" in her relationship with Nick. :)
>How about the aging question?
Now there might be another reason for Nat's crankiness. She's
invested four or five years into trying to help Nick to the extent of
not pursuing finding another *mortal* man to have a relationship
with (Roger doesn't count because she was using him to forget Nick
and try to get back at Nick; maybe even make Nick jealous). But I'm
not sure what kind of "aging" story could be done. Unless Nat wants
someone to bring her over, she's got to decide whether she wants to
throw away years and possible happiness with some mortal for Nick
since I don't see her curing him anytime soon (The Fix notwithstanding).
>So we're left with a frustrating, superficial Nick-Nat relationship
>that should and could be *so* much more than TPTB are giving us.
I'm sorry, but I don't see FK as a *romance* like Beauty and the Beast,
as an example. It's the mortal/vampire, good/evil dilemma of Nick's,
his struggle to not give in to his "evil" nature, the moral issues
that he must confront and deal with that were the original focus of
the show and still *should* be (although they've been "diluted" in
each successive season to some extent). I have *never* watched the
show for any romance (although I certainly don't mind seeing Nick get
romantic with *anyone*)--whether Nick and Nat or Nick and Janette (I'm
not an Immortal Beloved either :) ). I still enjoy the show, but I
have always thought first season was the best for reasons outlined
earlier. But even in its somewhat "diluted" state, FK still manages
to present interesting, imaginative ideas that stimulate the thinking
and imagination, which, to me, is worlds better than something like
Chicago Hope or N.Y.P.D. Blue.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:54:35 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Is it Sony or is it TriStar?
Can someone tell me if the address for John Feltheimer is for Sony
Television Entertainment or is it for Columbia/TriStar?
And do I have the guy's spelling correct?
Spamming for FOREVER KNIGHT!! The Mad Fax Spammer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Save the Forever Knight TV show! Write nightmist@g.......
or visit this web site (Site name *IS* case sensitive!!!):
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:07:15 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Another Fascinating Topic (this one's LONG!)
Cassie Carter writes:
>Does Nick's "condition," and his need to contain it, speak to the
>"beast within" each of us?
I would think so. I would imagine all of us have some secret desires
or other feelings that we don't act on for various reasons. I would
venture that most of us have wanted to kill someone else at least
once in our lives, but most of us don't act on such feelings. In
fact, if we are raised to value life and other people, we may even be
appalled at ourselves for having such a desire in the first place.
>Do we really have "beasts within"--and if so, why do we think so?
Yes. We can think so for two reasons--the fact that we are a part of
creation and logically could be assumed to have connections with the
basic tenets of other life on this planet and the other reason is
cultural bias/conditioning. As an example of the first thing, if
say two people are trapped in the desert or in the middle of the
ocean, it's possible that one will try eat the other to survive. But
this can be a basic survival instinct that we share with all other
living creatures on this earth. Animals might not term it murder;
the human may due to cultural conditioning and feel guilty about
having eaten the other person.
>To what extent does Nick's sense of guilt--his feeling of being
>abnormal according to human standards--reflect the condition of
>humans, at least in Western culture?
I don't know if it should be limited to Western culture. Don't a
lot of the world's religions preach that men have "fallen" in some
way and have to strive to become "better"? I don't know that most
of us feel "abnormal", but I would expect that most of us have at
one time or another felt like we don't belong in the human race.
>And if we identify more with the uncloseted beasts like LaCroix
>and Janette, why?
Well, I find Nick the most interesting myself. I can accept Janette
because she seems to live her life as she sees fit and doesn't try
to impose her views too strongly on others. I hate LaCroix because
he thinks his way is right and should be embraced by his children,
whether it's right for them or not. But I don't know that either
LaCroix or Janette are "uncloseted beasts". They keep their vampirism
secret from the world, not show it publicly. I would guess that
those who find LaCroix and Janette more interesting like them because
they seem free to do what they want.
>What are the philophies or idealogies involved in FK's construction
>of "the beast within"?
Well, obviously there's a heavy Christian emphasis that the FK
vampire is evil (even LC has been shown to be afraid of a cross),
that "the beast within" is to some extent not of human making but
something outside. LC considers his beast an improvement that makes
him superior to humans. Nick, because of moral conditioning and
feelings, views his beast as evil and something to get rid of.
Janette seems to be somewhere in the middle. She accepts her beast,
but doesn't seem to view it as either a way to lord it over humans
or a deadly evil.
>What assumptions do we hold about human nature that makes FK's
>version of vampires so appealing to us?
The FK vampires exhibit a lot of feelings that aren't that different
from humans. Sometimes we might like to be "out of control" (as it
seems that the vampires don't always have control of their desires
for blood). On the other hand, sometimes we might like to have
total control (as when the vampire hypnotizes someone). We might
also like to have the vampire's sexual attractiveness.
>What do we believe about ourselves?
That's a toughie. It probably has as many answers as there are
personal belief systems of each individual. Although I guess most
of us consider ourselves to be above animals--in intelligence,
capacity for emotions, perception of a higher power, etc. These
things are colored to some extent by our cultural beliefs and
upbringing.
>What do FK's vampires have to do with what we believe about
>ourselves?
They remind us that we have a baser self? One that we normally
surpress or release only under what we consider safe conditions.
But in the more "issue" oriented episodes, the FK vampire (especially
Nick) also points us to the things that are the best about ourselves
(our capacity for love, self-sacrifice, being the best we can be
against all odds).
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:11:35 -0500
From: Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: A quick question re: webpages
I don't have enough memory for Web access via AOL, but I think I may be
persuaded soon to join a local provider which does, for at least their free
trial period. To that effort, I'd like someone to send me the list of
FORKNI-L members', SOS sympathizers, etc. URL list that I know someone was in
charge of compiling (want to add to the webcounters of all you great folks
while I get the chance!). Thanks very much!
Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:21:43 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Re: Is it Sony or is it TriStar?
Tammy use:
Jon Feltheimer, President
Sony Pictures Studios
Tri Star/Columbia Pictures TV
[Address removed]
Lynn
Chatelyne@a.......
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:03:09 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Letter signing
:> My dead mother wrote
:> a letter that time, on the theory that if she'd been alive she'd have
:> signed one for me. (Yes, I really did do that!)
:Wow <vwg>, what a coincidence, so did mine! (This time, that is) Along
:with my six month old nephew...and four year old neice...and, well, you
:get the idea...
But isn't this one of the reasons why TPTB tend to ignore letters from fans?
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:01:18 -0800
From: Cherri Munoz <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: HELP: Flyers
Hi guys,
I've looked in my archives and I can't find the information about who is
helping to put flyers together. I will be at a con next weekend so I'd like
to put flyers around. BTW, I'm heading an FK panel while there. <g> :)
BTW, AOL must be down because I couldn't get into the Save FK Home Page.
Thank you for putting me in contact with the appropriate person.
Cousin Cherri
"Cousin Cherri Munoz" <cdmunoz@e.......> FK Optimist's Club, Sime/Gen
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
Save FOREVER KNIGHT! NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:21:44 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: A quick question re: webpages
>I don't have enough memory for Web access via AOL, but I think I may be
>persuaded soon to join a local provider which does, for at least their free
>trial period. To that effort, I'd like someone to send me the list of
>FORKNI-L members', SOS sympathizers, etc. URL list that I know someone was in
>charge of compiling (want to add to the webcounters of all you great folks
>while I get the chance!). Thanks very much!
Please let me enter my vote for joining a "real" provider! Just kidding.
I didn't know there was a list, though. Can you please forward it to me
when you get it?
Thanks in advance ...
---- TJ
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine: News of the Science Fiction Universe
http://www.cybervanguard.com
Come visit us, or write us at vanguard@p....... for sponsorship info
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:39:23 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Being Brought Across
Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......> said:
>
> Would Nick have been facing the prospect of being physically unable to be
> a fighting knight within a few years? (Think pro American football player
> in his mid-thirties - but with even more strenuous physical demands.)
That's certainly possible. Being a knight *was* a hard life!
> Would
> staying young and immortal have appealed as a very attractive alternative to
> becoming a trainer of younger knights and hoping his services to his lord
> were appreciated enough to allow him to live out his old age in the castle?
This issue may have played a role, but I've always thought that there was
something more behind his motivations. In "Queen of Harps" he is falsely
accused of murder and *forced* to go fight in the Crusades. Who knows
what he experienced in the Crusades themselves. Fear, betrayal, loss of
belief in the motivations of the Church and the nobility he served... any
one or all of these might have led him to be more open to trading his soul
for the promise of immortality and power.
This type of issue can be excellent grist for fanfic -- and since I've
only had a chance to read less than 10% of the FK fanfic that's out there,
someone may already have taken a stab at this. But there's always room
for more! I'm working on a story that explores Nick's motivations for
choosing vampirism right now. There, I've said it in public, so now I'll
have to finish it, right? ;)
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* __o -- Have angst, will travel -- *
* _`\<,_ Now planning the Forever Knight charity bike tour! *
* (*)/ (*) see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html *
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:44:33 -0500
From: Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: SOS: Turnin' Up the Volume
Scott Anderson writes:
>P.S. Have you written yet? NO?!?!!?!?! Do it now. Does it
>seem to anyone else that the effort is sagging a bit?
I was just thinking the same thing, Scott. That's actually what I was afraid
of, that increased discussion of things pertaining to FK might overshadow the
urgency, at least in our minds, of the fact that if we don't do everything we
can now,
*There Will Be No New Episodes to Discuss Next Year!!!!!*.
Let us not lose sight of this!!! I haven't heard from Fred in a bit, we
don't want them (the FK-affiliated FORKNI-L "closet" subscribers, who are in
the vanguard of information on our doings before the rest of the cast and
crew) to think we're not doing anything right now.
Of course, there are only so many of us and only so many letters we could
write... doubtless we're just being quieter about it. Right? <G>
Considering there seems to be quite an overlap of "American Gothic" fans
here, I was thinking; perhaps now would be a good time to visit their
Internet communities and instigate the "letter trade" which I touched on
briefly in the SOS-FAQ? Which is to say; we "buddy up" and make a pledge to
write a snailmail letter to save AG for each AG viewer who pledges one for
FK??
BTW, if anyone is having trouble making their local syndie see the light, or
thinks there aren't enough people writing in their area, I have compiled a
letter which I sent to my PD just a couple days ago. No response yet, and
you'd have to make a modified version to suit your experiences, but if anyone
wants a prototype, you're welcome to it. Just private email me and ask for
it. I quoted a couple of the nice things local stations had to say about it,
but I can send my favorite quotes from all of them, since one of the stations
may be in your general area and/or a competitor of the station you're trying
to convince; and you can edit out the ones you don't need. I also quote
Toni Holm's conversation with Terri Johnson at Columbia/Tri-Star, and I
include her direct phone # for the convenience of your local affiliate's
personnel, more to impress them with the fact that we know it therefore we
*must* know what we're talking about in all other areas <G>, it gives us that
"official stamp".
Keep the pressure on, guys!!! It's not the end of February yet!!! And do
what everybody else said <VWG>, esp. sending gifts to KK and JF!!!
Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*Keeper of the SOS-FK and Optimist Club FAQs
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:47:34 EST
From: MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: FK tapes offer
IN
COM
ING! <duck>
Boy are there ever a lot of desperate FK fans out there! Nobody has
offered me their first-born son yet (and BTW, I'm _not_ accepting any
such offers. Unless it's Kerr Wyn Davies' son - I might make an
exception in his case <g>) but just about everything else.
Seriously, I've had 35 requests in a little over 18 hours. I'll
probably get more today when the people on digest reply. I don't
believe in making promises that I can't fufill in a realtively short
time so I will reply privately to the first couple of people in the
queue. The rest are in a separate file. Once I get the first batch done,
I'll get in touch with a couple more people, and so on.
Now, if we could only make TPTB understand that there _is_ a market for
FK tapes.
Marg
ZEZQ01A@p.......
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:54:03 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires in Alaska
Hey! I live in Fairbanks, Alaska, which is nothing like that crap show
"Northern Exposure"--trust me on this. Second, one only gets 6 or so
months of solid night if one lives above the Circle. Remember, the down
side of 6 months of night is 6 months of day. During the summer, here in
Fairbanks, a summer day aves. 22 hours. The other two hours are like a
bright twilight. As for food, plenty of it--there are 10 men for every
one woman--don't bother, they are not worth the thought. If one selects
non-human food there is plenty of that too.
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:11:00 -0500
From: Leah Rosenthal <Bizarro7@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires: Predators or Monsters?
I originally posted:
>> This is not "evil"....it's simply a very large PROBLEM, and overlooking
>> [it] because you might believe it to be controversial to some with
>>devout theological beliefs, or minimizing [it] because it might upset some
>>devout admirers of the characters on the show is unrealistic.
To which Marina posted:
>Could you clarify it a bit? (Boy, this is fun - I
>haven't really gotten into any discussions as such on this list before. And
>whapping people over on highla-l doesn't count!)
>
Since a couple of folks voiced concern over a previous post of mine on the
issue of judeo/christian theology (as it relates to evil and vampires), I
wanted to voice my opinion that it was an integral part of the whole vampire
issue.... and on the other side of the coin, I was expressing an opinion that
overly-enthusiastic devotees of the vampire characters might be completely
all-forgiving beyond all reason, simply because the characters were
'charming' and had good butts. No biggie.
Leah
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:14:46 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ger in 'Airwolf'
I aint looking for snappy dialogue--mute buttons were made for "Bad" TV.
Be realBite this,
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:51:55 -0500
From: Lisa Wolters <MVRJasper@a.......>
Subject: ykybw.../Natalie's quandry
Just a quick, cute (to me, anyhow) "ykybw..." that I found in a horse
magazine, of all places... an ad for "Natalie's Barn & Breakfast:
Comfortable Lodging for Horses and Their Riders" in Weimar, Calif. :-)
And a quick coment on the "Natalie: nag or nurturer?" debate: While she may
be nagging, I think it stems from genuine love, concern, and frustration. I
was yelling/harping/nagging at the Nick-like person in my own life the other
day after having had it up to *here* with their refusual to believe that they
*can* change their life for the better and give up an addiction, and while my
tactic was not necessarily a good one, and while the person may not have
"heard" me clearly, it was the only response I could give at that time. I
love them so much that I just wanted to *slap* the sense into them, and I
think that's what Natalie goes through much of the time. Tough love ain't
easy to give. Especially when you've been going 'round and 'round with the
person for *years* through their own ups and downs, watching them make
glorious bursts of progress followed by enormous and often devastating steps
backwards. And it especially ain't easy to give when they *cling* to their
dark world-view no matter how much hope you try to give them, or how much you
try to convince them of all the good *in them* and in the world. It's hard.
You can comfort, support, love them all you want, but you can not *do* it
for them. It gets frustrating. And sometimes you (Natalie) end up taking
that out on the person who needs you most (Nick), because *you* can't be the
strong one all the time, and because it's so painfully obvious to you what
they're doing that's self-destructive, and that *they* don't or won't see it.
I know that much of this has been unintentional on the part of the writers,
but I also know that it rings very, very true to Real Life. Wow! So much
for my "quick" comment! I guess in short, yes Natalie's making some
mistakes, but she's also doing a lot right this season both for herself and
for Nick, especially "calling" him on his failures, and his character does
seem to appreciate it.
It would also help enormously if the writers would let Natalie be the strong,
*fallible*, compassionate character she could be, and stop wimping around
with all of the new changes this season and find a gosh-darn-it *direction*
for the show again!
Just my nickel. ;-)
Lisa W.
MVRJasper@a.......
Nick&NatPacker
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:03:51 -0500
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: I missed some eps!!!HELP!
It seems I have somehow missed quite a few eps from the end of season 2.
<getting down on my knees> Wait. I'm a *Cousin*, I don't beg....<getting
up> I will offer my first born to anyone who would be gracious enough to
copy some eps. for me. And I will also provide the tapes and pay for postage
and all that stuff. If theres someone who would do this for me, please
e-mail me off list, and I'll tell you which ones I need.
**************
I just joined JADFE today ( I think, it said my request was being
"processed". how long does that take?? Anyway, I think I'm too late for
"Physical Therapy". Does someone have it that can e-mail it to me? I would
greatly appreciate it!
**************
Anyone know if there is a season ONE blooper tape?
Thats all folks!
^v^ Michelle Cousin/Valentine/really wants to see Uncle in a toga
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:11:16 -0500
From: k s gritten <kg244989@o.......>
Subject: EW/letter writing
As I took the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly out of
my mailbox this afternoon--whoosh, out came those subscription
cards. Only 99 cents an issue, oh thrill. Anyway, this
week's batch of subscription cards have pictures of the
_Friends_ crew, and the card is headed, "A Friendly Offer".
In the past few weeks, not only has EW become self-conscious
about the massive amount of space _Friends_ is taking up
in their mag, but they also recently did a review of _Silk
Stalkings_ and its treatment by USA, without mentioning
our favorite show.
(Finally getting to the point, here). I took those subscription
cards and would like to mail them in an envelope to EW (so they
won't get upset about having paid postage for my FK fan mail)
with messages like:
"Friends" of Forever Knight made an impact at NATPE--why not
write an article about that?
Personally, I'm friendlier to Forever Knight. Help save our
show.
Be my friend; learn about how we are trying to save Forever
Knight at //members...etc.
If those who are more learned in SOS-campaigns have any
suggestions or warnings about undertaking this, please
let me know. If it sounds okay, will those who read or
subscribe to EW do the same?
--kg
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kg244989@o....... NatPacker!
Saint (n)-a dead sinner, revised and edited
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:34:46 -0500
From: Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: I missed some eps!!!HELP!
At 09:03 PM 2/10/96 -0500, Michelle Mark wrote:
>I just joined JADFE today ( I think, it said my request was being
>"processed". how long does that take?? Anyway, I think I'm too late for
>"Physical Therapy". Does someone have it that can e-mail it to me? I would
Got this one too, guys. Looks like I'm on a roll today. :-)
Jane (janes@i.......)
Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:49:41 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: identity crisis
Cassie Carter writes:
> >In what ways Do the various factions differ philosophically on the
> >notion of "the beast within" humans?
On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Sandra Gray wrote:
> For Knighties, "the beast within" exists, but letting it out makes
> us feel guilty. :)
I guess I have to confess my ulterior motive in posting this question:
I'm wondering what faction I belong to. If Sandra's post is "canon," I
suspect I might be a Knightie. I fight against the notion of a "beast
within," but I still seem to be drawn to characters who are fighting that
beast (hence my fanaticism for Jim Carroll--see my web page). Can anyone
else help me clarify my identity? (My closest approximation so far is
"die hard"--but I do identify most closely with Nick . . . while still
being especially fascinated by Janette . . . and simultaneously hating and
loving the wickedness of LaCroix. I also identify with Nat to some
extent, but I don't especially love her as a character. I haven't figured
out what I think of the new characters yet, but I'm starting to like
Vachon . . . and, oh yeah, I never cared for Schanke much--except as
comic relief.)
Having an identity crisis,
Cassie Carter |----------------------------------------|
English Department | Visit THE JIM CARROLL HOME PAGE |
Bowling Green State University |http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
Bowling Green, OH 00000 |*Everything you want to know about JC!* |
ccarter@b....... |----------------------------------------|
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:54:54 -0800
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: identity crisis
Cassie Carter wrote:
>Having an identity crisis,
I'd say she's a Knightie...
Cynthia
Cynthia Hoffman, Proud Raven
choff@v.......
Surely you are old enough by now to understand the difference between
"not guilty" and "innocent." Janette, Fate Worse than Death
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 22:01:57 -0500
From: Stephania Hyde <Step68@a.......>
Subject: Does LaCroix have a conscience?
Let me ask for your opinions on this one. Does LaCroix have a conscience?
When it comes to killing humans, he certainly doesn't seem at all bothered.
This could mean that he either doesn't have a conscience or he doesn't think
that killing humans is wrong. I vaguely remember him making a comment to
Nick about his "human conscience" (with great disdain), which also seems to
imply that he doesn't have one himself.
However, he does seem to have concern for other vampires, and to be
personally involved in ensuring their welfare (I won't specify - the incident
I am referring to is still under spoiler protection). Does this perhaps mean
that he does have a conscience where vampires are concerned? He seems to
think that harming a vampire is an offense that should be punished, but would
that punishment extend to himself? If he killed a vampire, would he feel
guilt or regret? (Again, I've never seen season 1 or 2, so this may have
already been dealt with.)
Ideas, anyone?
Stephania
Nick&Nat-Packer, who is starting to worry that she is devoting so many brain
cells to a TV show
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 22:11:26 -0500
From: "(sp?) Diane Rayno" <LuDia@a.......>
Subject: Channel 20 - UPN - WTXX
Well I finally did it... I got my nerve up and called. When I told the
woman who answered the phone and asked who I was that I represented XYZ
Company, she put me right through. <well I do represent the company - kinda
a cousinly thing to say) and spoke with the 'Programming Director' Steve
somethingorother. He was very nice and said that he had received many
letters of support (including mine which he remembered cause it was on
company letterhead) and he intended on keeping FK on the air as long as it
was available. He also said that he sent in his note to 'buy' a fourth
season for the station as so many people seemed to want it. I thanked him
profusely for his time and his efforts on behalf of all of us!!
Hope he really meant it!!
Happy Bouncy Cousin!
Cousin Lu - The Multi Studded One
The Almighty Evil Ogress - Immortal Beloved
Cousin@Heart, Vamp@Nyte
(and the one that thinks that LC and Nat should be together - brain fart)
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:42:12 -0500
From: Doug Lintott <dlintott@c.......>
Subject: Vampires in Toronto
>If I were a vampire, I think I might head to northern Alaska.
>After all, don't they have periods in Winter time where there
>is no daylight? Of course, the "hunting" may not be as good.
>Develop a taste for penguins? (Eh gads!)
>Hey, maybe that's why so many vampires live in Toronto. The
>farther north you go, the shorter the days are. But, in
>Toronto, there is still a pretty good human population...
>The best of both worlds!
Its true that the nights are long in Toronto during the winter BUT in the
summer the days are much longer than further south. Someone else mentioned
that Vampire stories tend to occur in New Orleans or Toronto.
Well then the logical thing for a Vampire to do would be to migrate between
the 2. Spend the winter in Toronto (good thing vampires already are cold
blooded) and the summer in New Orleans.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 22:45:16 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
ephania Hyde wrote:
>Let me ask for your opinions on this one. Does LaCroix have a conscience?
> When it comes to killing humans, he certainly doesn't seem at all bothered.
Oh goodness yes Lacroix has a conscience. I think it peeves him to no end,
but he does have one. You said you haven't seen seasons 1 or 2, so you
didn't see the ep where Lacroix declines to bring across his One True Love,
Fleur. It took a lot of restraint.
In fact, Lacroix seems to have *more* of a conscience since becoming a
vampire. I just watched AMPH yesterday (thanks Deb!) for the first time and
Uncle dearest was *not* the nicest guy in the world. But he *did* look
pretty nifty in a toga.
And what is a conscience after all? It's a fear of repercussion. We either
fear retribution in the afterlife or in THIS life. We'll either go to Hell
or jail (do not pass go, do not collect $200) for the mistakes we make.
Animals are able to kill each other without feeling guilty about it because
they don't have a religion and they don't have little animal jails. ;)
However, if you plan on living forever (and Lacroix seems to) and you live
carefully (avoid the long arm of the law), you need not fear the consequences
of your actions. *However*, Nick *does* have a conscience simply because he
*does* plan on being mortal again and therefore would have to face both
mortal laws and a couple thousand angry souls in the Great Thereafter. We
human folks aren't born with a conscience -- if we were, our parents wouldn't
have to admonish us not to hit people, not to bite the doctor, and that we
should share our toys. ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 22:51:39 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: FK tapes
Marg's letter about the 35 responses made me wonder if it was
worthwhile to ask TPTB to bring out Dark Knight and Dark Knight: the
Second Chapter, which together on one videotape would make a movie.
The original Nick Knight was released on videotape. I think both
Dark Knight's would be a good vampire film and if they were available
for rent in video rental stores would maybe generate new fan interest
in the show itself. Prospects for doing more tapes might increase if
the initial Dark Knight tape was successful sales wise. So does
anyone think this is worth a shot? It might be a source of income
for TriStar, after all. I'd buy one. :) Maybe MPI (who does the
Dark Shadows tapes) would be interested.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:03:06 EST
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: Ger's play
I phoned the place where Ger is doing the play in April and they said
they have no information about it yet, but will have it on the 15th
and will send it to me then. As soon as I receive it I'll post the
info to the list.
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
*** Help save Forever Knight! Ask me how. ***
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:17:19 -0500
From: Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Fanfic help needed
On Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:48:18 -0500, Lisa Clevenger <Sukhmet@a.......> writes:
(Yes, I'm behind by almost a month. This is what happens when you've been
working two jobs since January 17th...)
>I need help! What kind of help you say? (Not professional, you comedians)
>I need info on the Toronto Metro Zoo.
Good grief! I live less than five minutes from the Metro Zoo! (It's the
Metropolitan Toronto Zoo, not Toronto Metro Zoo, but nitpicking aside...). I
also used to work there when I was in high school.
>I need to know what the keepers uniforms look like
Hmmm, the last time that I was there, just about everyone from the cleaners to
zoo administrators was wearing those tacky green work overalls. Conceivably,
when one is working with animals, one wouldn't want to be wearing a Harris
Tweed or the newest offerings from Harry Rosen. :-)
>and a good discripton of the Mayan temple where the Jaguars are displayed.
I don't recall the Metro Zoo having a Mayan _temple_ on site, but I could
yet be surprised. Many of the enclosures have a "local theme" (so to
speak), ie., they are at least _supposed_ to look like the animals' homes -
although in most cases, this principle isn't particularly well observed.
Still, I don't recall any temples on site...
W.
---
Will Steeves, B.Sc. (Toronto, 1991), goid@i....... "Neil Hull is GOiD"
Internex Online (aka ZOOiD BBS & R-Node), Toronto, Ont. "GOiDS Rule"
1995-96 Managing Editor, The New Edition (U of T); Nu '97, Psi Upsilon
Ontario Area Coordinator, FREE ; Toronto Liaison Officer, M.E.R.G.E.
Proud Member of the National Coalition of Free Men (NCFM)
"Any sufficiently advanced intuition is indistinguishable from telepathy."
- Steeves' Law
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:47:58 -0800
From: Kate Kramer <seadog@h.......>
Subject: Re: identity crisis
At 09:49 PM 2/10/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Cassie Carter writes:
>> >In what ways Do the various factions differ philosophically on the
>> >notion of "the beast within" humans?
>
>On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Sandra Gray wrote:
>> For Knighties, "the beast within" exists, but letting it out makes
>> us feel guilty. :)
>
So what are you if you figure the "beast within" is not so beastly as all
that? I think that being a vampire just opens up a whole new set of
opportunities to one...but maybe I am just more willing to take the law into
my own hands...err...fangs...than Nick is. So what faction does that make me?
Kate Kramer
Windward Farm
Running Hounds and Working Terriers
Bandon-by-the-Sea, OR
seadog@h.......
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