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Digest - 10 Feb 1996

Sat, 10 Feb 1996

There are 33 messages totalling 992 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. EM advertisement
  2. Another USA MO; Fanfic Challenge
  3. muzzle it! (4)
  4. Herald article: whoomp! Here it is. (3)
  5. MN Save FK   Progress Story (2)
  6. Vampires in Toronto (4)
  7. The SOS effort
  8. A Fascinating New Topic (2)
  9. Multiple letters (was:  Re: MN Save FK   Progress Story)
 10. Heights
 11. Letter signing (2)
 12. Midwest road trip to Tor. April
 13. Letter writing
 14. Vampires...what else?
 15. Vachon, the lost boy vampire (2)
 16. Ger in 'Airwolf'
 17. Bloooooood and biting
 18. One more spine-tingling topic
 19. Stilife is gone? <whine>
 20. How do I get on JADFE? (2)

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:23:56 -0400
From:    Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Re: EM advertisement

> Lynne Stapleton said:
> >I was wondering if I could recieve a copy of the NATPE magazine

A lovely listmember here has already provided me assistance in this
matter, so thank you very much.

Lynn Stapleton
d7ux@u.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:24:05 EDT
From:    Pat White <PAT@m.......>
Subject: Re: Another USA MO; Fanfic Challenge

C.K. -

  I usually just read through everyone's messages, thoughts,
plotlines, philosophie, comments, etc., but I had to add my own bit
to this one!

> BTW, if you haven't checked American Gothic out yet, you're missing a great
> time.  It is similar to FK in that the fight of good vs evil is prominent.
>
> In fact, I have a fanfic challenge.  What would the meeting of LaCroix and
> Buck be like?

  Oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah!  (Accompanied
by much heart-pounding!)

- PirATe

>>>>>I LOVE NEW YORK ...
                        Better dead than mellow....!<<<<<

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:16:08 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: muzzle it!

Debbie writes:
>Well, before applying, you marinate said muzzle in a garlic oil-holy water
>mixture.  Then, you take it to your local exorcist and have him bless it. :)

Don't you think that might destroy the "mood"?  Wouldn't he spend his
time being irritated instead of "aroused"? ;)

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:19:24 -0500
From:    Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: muzzle it!

>Debbie writes:
>>Well, before applying, you marinate said muzzle in a garlic oil-holy water
>>mixture.  Then, you take it to your local exorcist and have him bless it. :)
Sandra replies:
>Don't you think that might destroy the "mood"?  Wouldn't he spend his
>time being irritated instead of "aroused"? ;)

Personally, I think irritated is a very mild description of a vampire's
reaction to that kind of muzzle.  Maybe "angry" or "irate" or "violently
aggravated".

If you don't remember to chain him up before you put on that muzzle, you're
probably lunch.

Jane   (janes@i.......)
Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:29:58 -0700
From:    Marg Rothschild <marg.r@a.......>
Subject: Re: Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.

On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Calliope wrote:

> By the way, has anyone else noticed that the majority of vampire stuff is
> set in Toronto?  First I noticed FK, then those Tanya Huff books, then
> *Kiss of the Vampire* by Nancy Baker (did anyone else read this?  I'd be
> interested in some popular opinion), now these *Vampire: the Masquerade*
> books!  Does anyone know where those "Anita something: Vampire Hunter"
> books are set?

Seems it's either Toronto or New Orleans. Wonder why? I can understand
why they wouldn't chose Arizona though (my experience - too much
sun!!!!!!!!!)


Marg Rothschild, knightie/cousin/FFFROGie
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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 08:21:09 -0600
From:    Scott Anderson <sra@u.......>
Subject: MN Save FK   Progress Story

I want to share a save FK story with you.  When I was looking up the
address and person to contact for the FK local station, I recognized the
name of the general manager for KLGT23 as someone who my parents knew
and I had seen on TV doing interviews and stuff.

So, when I sent the letter, I name dropped in hopes that she would
reply.  She did, saying that she would forward the letter on and stuff.

Then last night, I was at a restaurant with a friend and there was a
hefty wait for a table and as we were milling around like cows in the
waiting area, I saw her and her husband waiting for a table as well!  So
I walked right over and introduced myself and started to chat with her
regarding my letter and FK and things.

It turns out that she was most intrigued by the font that I used to
create the letter because it was from the "Handwritten fonts" CD and she
jabbed her husband and said "See! I told you it was a font."   She also
seemed interested in the book I was reading "The Death of Common Sense"
and so I think I will send her a copy along with a FK flyer or
something... Heh heh heh...

Seeya.
-s

P.S.  Have you written yet?  NO?!?!!?!?!   Do it now.  Does it seem to
anyone else that the effort is sagging a bit?

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:46:03 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: muzzle it!

Jane writes:
>Personally, I think irritated is a very mild description of a vampire's
>reaction to that kind of muzzle.

But we're talking about Nick here.  Nick who has taken Nat's garlic
pills, can hold crosses, described being shot with garlic bullets as
irritating...  He might not get angry unless they got around to doing
the deed and it inhibited his natural impulse.  But it might be an
irritating enough thing to *have on* that he might not be able to get
interested in the reason behind putting it on. :)

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:46:41 -0500
From:    Chana <chana@b.......>
Subject: Re: MN Save FK   Progress Story

>P.S.  Have you written yet?  NO?!?!!?!?!   Do it now.  Does it seem to =
>anyone else that the effort is sagging a bit?
>

The effort probably is sagging a bit.  As far as writing letters,
how many letters should we write to Columbia and USA?  I'm
afraid if I send several (heck more than one each), they'll start
saying... "Hey, all these letters are from the same folks..."
That would result in a negative response rather than a good
one...  What do you guys think?

BTW, has anyone written UPN 27 in the Tidewater Viriginia area?
That is my next target, but I haven't figured out exactly what
to say.

What to do, what to do...

Chana
chana@b.......  (A Knighie in disguise)
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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:58:37 -0500
From:    Chana <chana@b.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires in Toronto

>> By the way, has anyone else noticed that the majority of vampire stuff is
>> set in Toronto?

>Wonder why? I can understand why they wouldn't chose Arizona though
>(my experience - too much sun!!!!!!!!!)

If I were a vampire, I think I might head to northern Alaska.
After all, don't they have periods in Winter time where there
is no daylight?  Of course, the "hunting" may not be as good.
Develop a taste for penguins?  (Eh gads!)

Hey, maybe that's why so many vampires live in Toronto.  The
farther north you go, the shorter the days are.  But, in
Toronto, there is still a pretty good human population...
The best of both worlds!

You know.  I had a life once.  I got to see if I can find it.

Chana
chana@b.......  (A Knighie in disguise)
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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:02:33 -0500
From:    "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: The SOS effort

My sense is that it's lagging a bit too.

What I've been trying to do is get as many people watching each week as I
possibly can.  I've gotten friends to write letters.  I try to write or
call my local affiliate every week after I see a new episode.

I also wrote a letter to Sam Raimi.  I figured it couldn't hurt--Hercules
and Xena (a guilty pleasure of mine) are doing great guns in syndication,
and Sam's Renaissance Pictures just might be interested in FK for the
content and low cost.  Susan posted his address yeterday, but here it is
again if you missed it:

Sam Raimi
[Address removed]

Raimi is responsible for a lot of things, but is probably best known for
"The Evil Dead" movies.  He's also behind "American Gothic."  I wrote and
mentioned FK's low cost and that I thought it would make a great double
header with "American Gothic" should that go into syndication (much like
Hercules and Xena are a nice double header).

Writing to UPN isn't a bad idea either.

It really is just a matter of doing what little we can now (write letters,
get people to write and publicize the show as much as possible) and wait
for the results of the February sweeps.  I'm trying not to let myself hope
too much because then the disappointment is all the more acute, but I don't
think a 2.0 rating in February is out of the question.  I think that 1.7
quoted to us by TriStar was the result of people tuning into the prime time
airing on USA.  Without that, it might drive our numbers up.  We can only
hope, and wait and see.

So I say keep writing--dropping a postcard to your local affiliate every
week isn't going to hurt.  That and calls will remind them that we're still
out here.  We can't worry if it annoys them (as someone said the Pittsburg
station said)--because we are not Neilson families it is our *only* voice,
and they have to realize that.

BTW, I think both sides are giving us the runaround--TriStar is saying work
on the affiliates, the affiliates say to work on TriStar which means we
have to write to both.  Of course they're going to tell us not to write
letters and that that won't do any good because a) they'd have to admit
that writing *does* do some good and that we're having impact and b) they
don't want to deal with the extra mail.

Also, don't forget the sponsors.  If you're worried about writing to USA,
TriStar or your affiliate yet again, then write a couple letters to
sponsors.  I've only had 3 responses to about 25 letters I wrote, but they
have been very positive responses.  Either my letter was forwarded to
TriStar, USA, etc., or forwarded to their marketing department so that
they'd get the feedback when they decided what shows to advertise on.

Sorry for the ramble, but hang in there.  We're going to know one way or
the other in a couple weeks I think.  In the meantime, writing a few
letters every week makes me feel like I'm doing *something*!

Sharon

--
Sharon Himmanen * romana@p........  Forever Knight has been cancelled.
To help save it, check out
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html or send me email
ASAP!

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:07:38 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires in Toronto

On Feb 08, 1996 11:58:37, 'Chana <chana@b.......>' wrote:



>Hey, maybe that's why so many vampires live in Toronto.  The
>farther north you go, the shorter the days are.  But, in
>Toronto, there is still a pretty good human population...
>The best of both worlds!

The MAIN reason there are so many vampires in Toronto HAS to be the
downtown "PATH" system of underground malls & tunnels; they connect just
about everything.  (Well, not really.  But enough so that any vampire with
access to the underground need never suffer from 'cabin fever'.)

I get the feeling that most Toronto vampires reside close to the downtown
core for that reason.  I also get the feeling that Nick doesn't.  Which,
much as I love the boy, is perfectly typical of him.

--
KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>
The Illustrated C.O.U.S.I.N. & 13th Natpacker -- Mercenary
SFK WebGoddess -- Asst. Listowner, FORKNI-L/FKFIC-L/FKSPOILR
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:19:06 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires in Toronto

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Chana wrote:

> If I were a vampire, I think I might head to northern Alaska.
> After all, don't they have periods in Winter time where there
> is no daylight?

Yeah, but in the summer, they have days with almost no darkness...could
make things a tad inconvenient...Alora


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Natpacker & (long distance) SF Bay Area Friend of Forever Knight
"Old friend takes on a whole new meaning with you."--Nat
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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:27:20 -0800
From:    Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: A Fascinating New Topic

Chana reports:
> Also, someone asked about Wyn Davies height.  According
> to the movie biographical database, the answer is 6 feet.

Um... much as I hate to be cynical and suspicious (but hey, someone's
got to do it, no? :-)...

I have *yet* to meet a guy... any guy... (o.k.  there was _one_... *waaay*
back)... who didn't fudge by 2-3 inches...

(*height*, you dirty-minded little Knighties!  we're talking *height* here :-)

Being just a fraction over 6ft myself (and not inclined to wear heels, BTW),
I have ceased to be amazed at the number of "6ft" guys I have to look *down*
to see.  Sometimes *waaaaay* down... <g>

So, anyone who's actually met the guy-- I'm betting about 5'9"...

...any confirmation? <vwg>

Dianne
(back me up on this, Steff! :-)
The Once-Again-Mad Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
     ***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:31:17 -0600
From:    Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Multiple letters (was:  Re: MN Save FK   Progress Story)

Scott wrote:
>>P.S.  Have you written yet?  NO?!?!!?!?!   Do it now.  Does it seem to =
>>anyone else that the effort is sagging a bit?

Chana replied:
>The effort probably is sagging a bit.  As far as writing letters,
>how many letters should we write to Columbia and USA?  I'm
>afraid if I send several (heck more than one each), they'll start
>saying... "Hey, all these letters are from the same folks..."

Yes, of course it's 'sagging a bit'.  After the heady rush of NATPE, we're
back to the old, rather dull slog of writing letters, chatting the show up to
friends, etc.  It's natural.  However, I don't really think you have to worry
about sending more than one letter to TriStar/USA being perceived as negative,
for several reasons.

Sandie Currie, the nice woman who was sent out to make us go away <eg> at
NATPE, mentioned that all letters to TriStar are opened in the mailroom.  And
they've been getting a LOT of letters, so I doubt they're doing more than
opening them, skimming (maybe) and adding another 'tick' to the count.  So, as
long as you don't send *identical* letters (which *will* get noticed after a
point) and space them out by, say, a week or so, the poor, underpaid,
overworked scmucks in the mailroom who have to handle all this will probably
never notice.  Of course, <tease mode ON> you mailed a letter every day,
identical to the one you mailed before (or to the one you had your
sister/friend/boss mail the day before), *that* would get noticed. <tease mode
OFF>  Spread 'em out, make 'em different, and they'll just be added to the
count.

This also applies to letters you get friends to write, BTW. One of the reasons
it's a bad idea to had out 'suggestion letters' as part of this campaign is
that, let's face it, humans are lazy.  If you give them a text where all they
have to do is copy it out and sign their name, most of 'em will do that,
rather than bother to come up with something original. And after a while, the
people opening them notice that a substantial number of the letters are
identical--- and *that's* when they start dismissing them as all coming from a
small, fanatic group of people.

Oh, the 'opened in the mailroom' scenario *only* applies to letters... so if
you want to make sure Jon or Kay *see* your little paen in praise of FK,
include it in a *package*-- and it'll make it to their desks! We have it on
reliable authority that Jon liked the vampire cookies, so he probably has a
sense of humor-- and a small box of candy/cookies/etc wouldn't cost *that*
much more to mail.

Speaking of packages-- when I went no-mail, some people were talking about a
gift-blitz for Kay & Jon.  Did anything ever come of that?  'Cause I want to
get together a WI package, if so.  Just think of the pun potential: UW-Madison
mascot Bucky Badger, w/note: "Don't want to Badger you, but we really want a
fourth season of FK."  Stuffed cow, w/note "Holy Cow! We're bullish on FK!"
etc., etc, etc.... :)

Diane E
Commander-in-chief, NATPE Strike Force, Ret'd.
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......    #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination,    #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:35:15 -0800
From:    Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires in Toronto

> On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Chana wrote:
> > If I were a vampire, I think I might head to northern Alaska. > After
> all, don't they have periods in Winter time where there > is no daylight?
>
> Yeah, but in the summer, they have days with almost no darkness...could
> make things a tad inconvenient...Alora

They could, presumably, migrate back and forth between the poles for
maximum darkness, but somehow I've never been able to see anyone but Nick
actually doing this... given (as pointed out) the lack of ...um...
"comestables" in the frozen North/South.

Somehow I can just picture Nick huddled up in an igloo brooding and sipping
half-frozen bottles of penguin/polar bear...

... he'd probably do it _backwards_ and follow the *daylight*... just
to torture himself more effectively... <vbg>

Dianne
The Once-Again-Mad Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
     ***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:33:45 EST
From:    Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Heights

Ok, I wasn't going to say anything, but according to Ger's resume, which
someone got hold of during the first year of this list, he's 5'11" and
a half. I've met him twice, one of them at the Gerthering (mini-con for
his fanclub last year). I have to say I think the last half inch is
fudged. In fact, my first reaction to seeing him in person at Toronto
Trek in 1993 was "he's so much smaller than he looks on the show."

I think Nigel's resume says 6'1" and he always has on the kind of boots
which make him a few inches taller, even at cons. From somewhere I seem
to remember that the purposefully emphasize his height.

Besides, John Kapellos is 5'10", and Ger never looked much taller than
Schanke in their scenes.

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:41:31 EST
From:    Lisa <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Letter signing

We discovered doing the very first campaign that no, they don't keep
track of senders. Be creative with your signatures. My dead mother wrote
a letter that time, on the theory that if she'd been alive she'd have
signed one for me. (Yes, I really did do that!)

In fact, it's just occurred to me that my six cats watch the show with
me and five of them will do as names on letters. I'm not sure even USA
would be dumb enough to fall for "Mocha" McDavid as someone's name. :)
Tizzie, Libby, Lucius, Lowman and Lionel are genuine people names so I'll
have to crank up the old WordPerfect ....

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:45:52 -0500
From:    Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Midwest road trip to Tor. April

Anybody wishing to connect with me on a road trip to see "Taming of the
Shrew" (GWD as Petruchio) in Toronto April 27 *and* who lives in the IL-MI-IN
area, please e-mail me!

I'm in the Chicago area and hoping to rent a van or whatever to leave on the
25th and return the 28th.  I'll even work on getting the tickets and making
other arrangements.  Anyone that can connect up with me along the way (NW
Indiana, S. Michigan, SW Ontario), let me know!

Let's make plans!  ROAD TRIP!  And any Torontorian who could assist in hotel
arrangements, please let me know - help would be tremendously appreciated!

Marcia Tucker
ScFiMarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Immortal Beloved

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:50:21 -0600
From:    Annmarie <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Letter writing

     A few people have mentioned that things seem to be slowing down. I agree
 that it gets frustrating to be sending the same kind of letters to the same
 people over and over again. That is why we have asked you to try and get new
 viewers. Not only will you be bringing up the ratings but then you and your
 friend can address letters to the "same old people" but with a new twist,
 that you have receuited additional viewers to the show. There are so many
 opportunities, just find a way to integrate FK into your conversations and
 you'd be surprised. One girl wrote to me the other day on my local BBS
 because she was looking for someone else and thought that my nickname might
 be her,anyway under the registry where you fill out "favorite TV show" I had
 "Forever Knight" she wrote to me and has now visted the web site and is
 aware of what she can do to save the show! When I was on the phone with my
 sysop the other day I brought it into the conversation and guess what? His
 wife is a fan! Theres 2 in one week!
   Instead of letting this waiting get you down,find new ways to get
 enthused. Its the weekend,for some anyway, make an effort to find at least
 one new FK fan. Keep in touch with people here when you are feeling "lost"
 about the whole campaign.
   The recent new topics here and discussions ahve been wonderful,lets keep
 this show going so that we will have more and more information to discuss in
 the future.
   If you're really down,go grab a "Warm Fuzzy" they are adorable!




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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:50:21 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: A Fascinating New Topic

Dianne DeSha writes:
>So, anyone who's actually met the guy-- I'm betting about 5'9"...

I've met him and I'd say he's about 5'10" or 5'11".  His fan club
says he's 5'11".

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:37:40 EST
From:    TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: muzzle it!


At 05:03 PM 2/9/96 -0500, Sandra Gray wrote:
>Yes, but what kind of muzzle do you use on a guy who can rip the
>door off a locked safe?

 Ah..guys you don't need to dip the muzzle in garlic or any other such
offensive substance. All you need to do is keep his hands busy <G>. No
matter how Vamped he gets without his hands the muzzle is not going
anywhere. Now I can think of some ways to achieve this but because of
the rating of the list I will refrain from elaborating on the issue any
further <EG>.

On another issue Don writes:

>In first aid class they taught us that a person can bleed to death in
>about 4 seconds from the femoral artery (in the thigh/groin - the
>brachial artery is in the upper arm).  Also that the loss of only a
>quart of blood is life threatening.

 Well....yes a loss of a quart can be life threatening a pint is about
as much as you want to loose at once. I have never heard of nor seen
anyone die of a femoral or Brachial artery injury that fast! I think
that must be a mistake. Now if you are talking about a tear in the
Aorta, a common injury caused by chest trauma then I would agree. I
have seen people go from mild stomach or chest pain to dead in a flash
because of a rupture of the aorta. It is a darn scary thing to see,and
unless you already have the chest open your chances of saving that life
are very slim.

 Well that got way off topic....Hmmmmm No warm fuzzies for Torrey
today.

Torrey

*Vaquera*

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:42:02 -0700
From:    Marg Rothschild <marg.r@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Hilary Doda wrote:

> Hi...a quick question, brought on by an immenent visit to the dentist
> <shudder>...d'you suppose vampires get cavities?
I can't remember which episode (maybe For I have Sinned or Cherry
Blossoms?) Nick told one of the vampires in the Raven something like -
Just because your immortal doesn't mean you don't have to floss.

I'm not sure if they would get cavities, let alone chip a tooth?


Marg Rothschild, knightie/cousin/FFFROGie
** Help Save/Revive Forever Knight** write me at: margr@i.......
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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:25:16 -0600
From:    Christy Tucker <ctucker@m.......>
Subject: Re: Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.

At 09:29 AM 2/10/96 -0700, Marg Rothschild wrote:

>> By the way, has anyone else noticed that the majority of vampire stuff is
>> set in Toronto?
>
>Seems it's either Toronto or New Orleans. Wonder why?

Speaking as a resident of New Orleans, I can explain the allure of the city
for a vampire.

1)  New Orleans is, of course, the most European city in the States.  A
vampire could have all of the conviences of living in the States and have
all of the scenery of Europe.

2)It is corrupt - from city hall and the police department  to the taxi
drivers and hot dog venders.  You can get away with almost anything here.
You don't even need to have a lot of money.  Just bribe a police officer
with crawfish.

3)Things that are unacceptable in other areas of the country are quite
acceptable here.  You can walk down the street carrying a beer in a plastic
cup or you can examine the pictures ouside of the strip joints on Burbon
Street just to make sure you like the girls before you pay the cover to go
in.  People get away with running around in practically nothing - even some
who should be completely covered head to toe.  So a man walking the streets
wearing black leather and sporting fangs isn't even looked twice at.  He's
just a part of the scenery.


4) You can slum - ie the French Quarter, or if you happen to be a rather
brave vampire, the literal slums - or you could live up the high life uptown
in the big fancy/georgeous houses.  Both are with in a one mile radius of
each other, if that much.


5) Tourists.


I know I sound like a travel brochure for the undead, but I wanted to point
out that  New Orleans isn't the place that Anne Rice makes it out to be.
It's a metropolitan city with lots of crime, violence and dirt.  Real life
occurs here.  I have to be very careful every time I go out.  I know other
cities are the same way, but if you add the other mysterious components of
the city - voodoo, ghosts, the tropical climate -  it makes for a very heady
environment.   It's just the place for a vampire.  In fact, I think that
Uncle would thrive quite nicely around here, though poor Nick, he'd be the
only honest cop on the force.


I'm stepping off the soapbox now.

Christy

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:04:47 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.

About New Orleans, Christy Tucker wrote:

> 3)Things that are unacceptable in other areas of the country are quite
> acceptable here. <snip> So a man walking the streets
> wearing black leather and sporting fangs isn't even looked twice at.  He's
> just a part of the scenery.>

Wow, who knew New Orleans had so much in common with Los Angeles? ;)...Alora

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:09:19 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Letter signing

On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Lisa wrote:

> My dead mother wrote
> a letter that time, on the theory that if she'd been alive she'd have
> signed one for me. (Yes, I really did do that!)

Wow <vwg>, what a coincidence, so did mine! (This time, that is) Along
with my six month old nephew...and four year old neice...and, well, you
get the idea...

> In fact, it's just occurred to me that my six cats watch the show with
> me and five of them will do as names on letters.

Great minds think alike...my four legged best friend (of the canine
variety), Neesa sent a whole series of very
persuasive letters to the whole TriStar and USA group...she never missed
an episode, ya know ;)...Alora


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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:21:23 -0500
From:    Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon, the lost boy vampire

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Bonnie Pardoe wrote:

> Vachon is described by TPTB in reference to the type of vampires seen in
> _The Lost Boys_ movie; mean, delinquent, biker types.  But what if TPTB
> were refering more to _Peter Pan and the Lost Boys_; the boys who get to
> *play* pirates and indians all the time but never have to be responsible

        [This is not exactly what Bonnie said, but is edited down to four
lines <whew, no smacked wrist!>]

        The whole point of the movie title The Lost Boys is precisely to
send up the fantasy of nice little boys having play wars:  this is what
immortal boys would really be (sort of "Lord of the Flies" meets "Peter
Pan").  Vachon ran a "crew," or vampire gang, for centuries -- we saw
Vachon, Screed and Bourbon together in a flashback munching down on a
group of barmaids in the 16th century in Tear Asunder.  We then saw all
three still together, and still killing merrily (Urs said people were
talking about a group of men who were killers, afraid of nothing) in Hearts
of Darkness, which happened around 1880.

        There are indications he's softening up (especially in Fever,
still under spoiler protection), but basically it's pretty clear Vachon
has not been a sweet boy playing pirate -- he's been head pirate of a
crew, with the Skull and Crossbones flying proudly. And he hasn't come all
that far forward in mending his conscience, either:  Urs told him in the
present day "I don't take killing as lightly as you do," and remember how
wistfully he recalled the old days when you could see a pretty girl in a
bar "and just take her?" -- he has a long way to go before he has the
conscience of someone like Nicholas de Brabant.


L.

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:30:38 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon, the lost boy vampire

About Vachon, Apache wrote:

> he has a long way to go before he has the
> conscience of someone like Nicholas de Brabant.

Which brings up another interesting question: Does he want to have a
conscience (especially one like Nick's)?

I mean, honestly speaking, if I were a vampire, I would rather *not* have
Nick's conscience. Spending centuries torturing myself because of my
nature (something over which I have little or no control) is not my idea
of a happy life.

If I had to choose, I'd rather be like LC; a conscience is a painful
thing to try and live with when you are a killer...Alora <acc0924@i.......>


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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:58:58 -0600
From:    Amy Denton <Z_DENTONAM@t.......>
Subject: Ger in 'Airwolf'

Hello,
    Someone posted that the Ger eps. of 'Airwolf' would be starting soon and I
just wanted to warn y'all.  The eps. Ger was in were *BAD* TV. I don't mean to
shout but I was a fan of the original eps and these just made me cringe.
   At the second Dallas FK party (Black Buddha premiere) we watch an ep. If you
would like to see the quotes from that section of the party, check out Peri
Smith's web page.  (I can't remember the address right now)
   But some of the funnier ones were:  "It's not 'Airwolf', it's 'Gerwolf'!"
and "The spirts are angry, the gate is locked." - Line from the show
    "The spirts obviously use MasterLock!"

Don't take this as a missive not to watch it but be forewarned, this is
*really, really, really* bad tv.

Amy D.
z_dentonam@t.......

(For all the HL fans out there, Ger looks exactly like Richie in some shots.)

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:01:06 -0500
From:    Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Bloooooood and biting

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Cassie Carter wrote:

>  how much blood does a vampire need each day for survival?


        Did anyone ever ask JP this?  Is there a canonical answer?  It's
something that I've been wondering for a year and a half now (if only I'd
heard of the list earlier, <sigh> -- is there an accepted answer?

L.

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:23:50 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic

Cassie Carter writes:
>In what ways to the various factions differ philosophically on the
>notion of "the beast within" humans?

For Knighties, "the beast within" exists, but letting it out makes
us feel guilty. :)

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:39:51 -0500
From:    "Tammy Pond  [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Stilife is gone? <whine>

  Nancy Fralic:
  > The Masai traditionally _do_ subsist on the blood of their
  > cattle...

As I understand it (admittedly, this was only from an encyclopedia,
and I typically despise the things since their damn near useless to
me)...

The blood from their cattle is mixed with milk, and it's reserved
only for the tribes warriers on special occasions. I'm assuming (yes,
I know it's a bad thing when they're lawyers in the world but...)
that they don't *live* on the stuff, but only have it occasionally. I
would likewise assume they eat other foodstuffs, too. <g>

Any corrections or additional info would be most welcome. I've got
enough time in my life at the moment for (1) work, (2) sleep, and
THIS list/SOS-FK efforts. (I hate having to get up at 5:45am. Yech!!)

  >>Lisa:
  >>The Raven in the first season was the now-defunct Stillife.

One "L", I believe. When did it go bellyup? Last I checked a Toronto
phone book ('twas last December...) they were still listed. I didn't
call them, but then I was trying to track down Sanctuary instead. <g>
(BTW, does anyone know if there's two goth places called "sanctuary"?
I saw two listings in the phone book with two different addresses...)

   Lisa Clevenger:
   > I had enough of a bloodbath watching From Dusk Til Dawn...

ROFLMAO!! I'm going to see that, mainly for the effects. I don't
expect a good script, so I'll be pleasantly surprised if there is
one. A plot, I mean. <laugh>

   Polly Zashin
   > ...even completely mortal lovers often experience the
   > urge to ... ah ... suck or *nip*....

Yep. <wink wink nudge nudge saynomore...> Lots of the time. <giggle>


Nightmist@g.......

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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:55:18 -0500
From:    "Tammy Pond  [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: How do I get on JADFE?

Someone please send me directions? Please? Thank you...

And since I am 30, could some kind soul please send me a copy of this
"physical therapy" fanfic I keep hearing about?


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Date:    Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:58:18 -0500
From:    Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: How do I get on JADFE?

At 04:55 PM 2/10/96 -0500, Tammy Pond  [Digest] wrote:
>Someone please send me directions? Please? Thank you...
>
>And since I am 30, could some kind soul please send me a copy of this
>"physical therapy" fanfic I keep hearing about?

Guys, since I've sent Physical Therapy to a bunch of folks already, I'm
taking care of this one too.  :-)

Jane   (janes@i.......)
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