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Digest - 8 Feb 1996 - Special issue

Thu, 8 Feb 1996

There are 37 messages totalling 1014 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Nick Gray's Message & PAF
  2. A FK Fanzine web page
  3. The NATPE 7 & Diane E's web page (2)
  4. Fangs for the Memories (4)
  5. Vampires...what else? (6)
  6. Nick's Addiction
  7. Half Vampires????
  8. Tape trade
  9. another YKYBWTMFKW
 10. Help!
 11. Numerology
 12. Nick addiction
 13. mortal sex
 14. FK tapes, etc.
 15. Normal talk
 16. Fwd: Re: FK Vanity Plates (2)
 17. FK tapes offer
 18. VCR ALERT! Tune into ET NOW!
 19. VCR alert: Sorry, false alarm! :(
 20. More NATPE Pix
 21. You Lucky Knightie!
 22. FK on USA tonight
 23. Natalie's quandry
 24. Blood, Sweat, and Hairs
 25. Religion, Knights, and Vampires oh my!
 26. Human vs. Cow Blood
 27. Dianne E

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:11:35 -0500
From:    Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Nick Gray's Message & PAF

Hey, Hey Everyone :)

>Nick Gray and here is his response:
<snip>
>>While the Cast and Crew appreciate all your efforts in sending
>>gifts <snip>  It would be better if you sent a gift on behalf of
>>the Cast and Crew to the Pediatric Aids Foundation

Just a friendly list reminder, the Friends of Forever Knight group
charity drive for the aforementioned is *still* open and will be
for at least another month (through to the end of March, I think).
I'll post our current dollar level tomorrow when I get another free
minute :P  If anyone would like to take Nick Gray up on this
suggestion and get involved in the group drive, please make your
checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation and send them to me
at:
Lisa Prince
[Address removed]

Earlier information given still applies.  We're asking for $5.00
donations from anyone who's interested in giving.  You can give
more if you choose to do so, but please don't feel pressured to do
so.

On an added note, to any new list members (or skeptics), we've
already given the Pediatric AIDS Foundation $5,806.50, which
several list members delivered in-person on January 17th.  They are
very much aware of what we are doing and are delighted.  If anyone
needs any type of confirmation of the authenticity of this
endeavor, please contact me and I will be happy to provide such.

Later all :)

Lisa Prince (Moonlight@g.......)  Official Charity Drive Organizer
Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Send to:  Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity,
[Address removed]
Rage, my friends, rage against the dying of the Knight

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:16:55 EST
From:    Mary Anne Espenshade <mae@a.......>
Subject: A FK Fanzine web page

Announcing (at last) the Forever Knight Fanzine List web page.  I started this
about 6 months ago, but real life intervened for a while.  It finally has a
URL you can get to from the outside world :-)
http://www.inwap.com/u/mae/fkzlist.html

Let me know what you think of it, or if you have any zine information to
add.  There are links at the bottom to the main FK pages.
--
Mary Anne Espenshade
mae@a.......          http://www.inwap.com/u/mae/
"I worked late on my birthday and nobody brought ME a cute vampire!"

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:24:48 -0800
From:    Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: The NATPE 7 & Diane E's web page

Allison asked:
> that *someone* had to take the picture.  Between the two photos in there
> you seem to have seven separate individuals.  We need captions, though.
> Who's the person in the first picture in the lower right who seems to be
> half vamped-out?  Or is that just red-eye from the flash? ;)

That would be Catherine... and she *says* it's just red-eye... :-)

O.K. captions:

the first features: Toni, Cherri, Debbie, Diane, Catherine, and Angela
(clockwise from upper left)... I'm behind the camera :-)

the second (which comes out really blurry on my browser for some reason)
are: Angela, Cherri, Diane, Debbie, Catherine, and me (there in front) with
Toni doing the honors

> By the way, does anyone know if the January 24th issue -- the one with
> the article on the Save FK campaign in it -- will be distributed anywhere
> except at NATPE?  I know it was a special issue and don't want to haunt
> the newstands again if there's no point.

Unfortunately, no.  It was only distributed at NATPE...

Dianne
(who's put up another NATPE pic @ http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~maeve/natpe.html)
The Once-Again-Mad Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
     ***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:20:35 U
From:    Celeste Hotaling-Lyons <celeste_hotaling-lyons@i.......>
Subject: Fangs for the Memories

        Reply to:   Fangs for the Memories

Lisa Reeves said:
>It would seem to me if Vachon could re-attach a -hand- in Black Buddha, then
>fangs would grow back?

But Vachon had to go & get the hand to re-attach it--it *didn't* grow back.
I'd say that a vamp who had his fang-teeth yanked out could re-attach them,
but that they wouldn't spontaneously grow back.  Teeth are not simple
structures, they are pretty complicated--I doubt that they are as complicated
a structure as a hand (?), but they're not just little blocks of carbon or
something!

BTW, my daddy had his tooth knocked out, root and all, by a swinging crane
once (and we're not talking a bird here)--he had the presence of mind to put
his tooth in his handkerchief and wet it with some cool, clean water from a
waterfountain.  About an hour later his dentist had put it back into his jaw.
He still has that tooth!  (The accident was back in 1964!)  So I'd think this
would work just as well for a vampire.

Celeste

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:33:18 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs for the Memories

On Feb 08, 1996 17:20:35, 'Celeste Hotaling-Lyons
<celeste_hotaling-lyons@i.......>' wrote:


>But Vachon had to go & get the hand to re-attach it--it *didn't* grow
back.

I always kind of thought that the hand WOULD have grown back -- but it
would have taken time, and probably massive infusions of blood, as in live
victims; whereas the amount of healing necessary to reattach a severed hand
would have required much less energy.  Vachon was on his way out of town,
and the last thing he'd want to do was lay around the house waiting for his
hand to grow back, hence his rummaging through the makeshift morgue for the
missing part.

Just my .0325

--
KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. -- The Illustrated C.O.U.S.I.N.
NatPack -- Mercenary -- SFK WebGoddess -- Asst. Listowner
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/immajer/
THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:55:10 -0500
From:    Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald wrote:


> ... what if a vampire had his fangs removed?
> In the "Anne Rice" world,they would grow back,but what about here? Would
> Nick have less of an urge w/o fangs? Or would he be at least less dangerous?
>

But who would have the guts to put his/her hand into a vampire's mouth
with the fangs exposed to remove them?

Nancy Fralic, newbie

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:08:27 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Addiction

From a show standpoint, Nick is shown killing people for blood after
he had supposedly had an epiphany 100 years ago that it was wrong
because TPTB either forgot (likely) or found it constricting to the
scripts to have him not kill in flashbacks after that time.  From a
*story* standpoint, Nick could have just been susceptible to the
occasional lapse.  A lot of people on diets in real life, after all,
experience instances of weakness in sticking to their diets.  I would
expect the same thing happens with some alcoholics.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:12:07 -0500
From:    Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject: Re: Half Vampires????

[Name removed by request] wonders:

>the fetus and mother don't exchange straight blood, do they? i
>really can't remember. i have this nagging notion that only teeny-weeny
>nutrient bits pass through placential walls and down that cord.

No, mother and fetus do not share blood, but viruses go right through the
placenta, ie, HIV and german measles.  So, if the idea is that vampirism is
caused by a virus or some other infective agent, the child would not be
protected by the placenta.  You'd then have a vampiric fetus.  Um, I wish I
hadn't had that thought.  Yuck.

Darkest blessings,
  Leslie  (LoosCanN@a.......)

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:35:23 -0500
From:    Lillian Feden <feden@m.......>
Subject: Re: Tape trade

At 09:17 AM 2/8/96 -0800, K Swanson wrote:
>I am looking to acquire the first season of 'Chicago Hope' on video. If
>anyone has it, and would like to trade for relatively good quality first
>season Canadian tapes, please contact me off list.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Karyn Swanson
>kswanson@d.......
>

Well, I don't have tapes of Chicago Hope, but I do live in Chicago and I
hope alot, is that close? ;)

How ya doin' Karyn?  How's your mom?  I hope everything is better for you.

I'm going to Toronto in ONE WEEK!!!  I'm so excited!

Talk to you later,

Lillian
|feden@m....... aka RotsaRuck@a.......|
|http://www.mcs.com/~feden          |
|Knightie; Optimist's Club          |

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:45:21 EST
From:    MS IDALIA KAKESAKO <NPYF15B@p.......>
Subject: another YKYBWTMFKW

My first one of these, please be tolerant    :)

You know you've been watching too much FK when ...

You're innocently reading Elle magazine during your lunch hour and
you come across this line (original writer's emphasis):

"'It's my party and I'll *die* if I want to,' Nick vamps in one scene,

bottle ... in hand, while his guests struggle to enter into the
singular spirit of the occasion."

And you choke on your pizza, while nearby patrons stare at you....

Idalia Kakesako
(attempting to slink back to lurkdom and failing miserably)
<IdaliaK@p.......>

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:51:45 -0700
From:    Isis <isis@m.......>
Subject: Help!

I don't know what's going on, but I seem to be getting 2-6 copies of EVERY
SINGLE MESSAGE from forkni-l, fkspoilr, and fkfic-l.  I can't find anything
wrong on my end and I can't find Jaye's addy.  Does anyone know what could
be causing this?  I had over 1,100 messages just today!  I can't handle
this!

Jaime



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 Isis@m.......     Natpacker/Optimist's Club/X-phile
 One day I shall burst my bud of calm and blossom forth into
 hysteria.  ---  "Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
**************************************************

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:55:33 -0700
From:    Isis <isis@m.......>
Subject: Numerology

I don't know if anyone remembers, but a long time ago I said I was going to
do numerological profiles of the actors and characters.  I've got a few
finished but I can do them in much greater depth if I have birthdates.
Actors, characters, or both.  Does anyone know when any of these people
were born?

Jaime



**************************************************
 Isis@m.......     Natpacker/Optimist's Club/X-phile
 One day I shall burst my bud of calm and blossom forth into
 hysteria.  ---  "Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girlie scream?"
**************************************************

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:56:12 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

Lisa Reeves writes:
>It would seem to me if Vachon could re-attach a -hand- in Black Buddha,
>then fangs would grow back?

I'd say that if Nick reinserted extracted fangs, they would reattach
themselves in his jaw.  I don't think he could regrow a new set.  If
that were possible, Vachon would have just regrown a new hand instead
of having to go back to find his hand.

The idea of a fangless vampire does create a strange image though. :)
Although I can't see that it would make much difference.  Nick still
has plenty of other teeth to bite with if he wanted to.  You'd have
to extract all his teeth.  And then he'd probably just take to ripping
out someone's throat with his nails or a knife or something if he
really fell off the wagon and wanted to attack someone for their blood.

You can take the fang out of the vampire, but not the vampire out of
the vampire.

Or something like that. :)

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:59:51 -0500
From:    Samantha Smiley <MaraJade00@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick addiction

Yes but there aren't any VA mettings. (Vampires anoynumus).

Jade(Samantha S.)-Can't spell worth beans!
Mercenary recruit
"Why would I wan't to live a normal life when
everything in life isn't normal(at least where I live)?"- ME

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:09:26 -0600
From:    Mickey <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs for the Memories

I have to correct my self on my earlier post, I did say that in the "Anne
Rice" world that the teeth would probably grow back and I based this on the
fact that their hair grows back (Claudia cutting her hair off) Yet, I think
her name was Meharet, had no eyes and continually had to replace her eyes
with those of her victims. Which makes me wonder,did Vachon get his own hand
or someone else's? I'm leaning towards this not growing back,but that a
suitable replacement could be used. But with the special function that the
fangs have,if the nerve and all was removed then how would they grow?
This of course would make me wonder what if you were brought across and you
had already either had your fangs removed or you had them root canaled would
your teeth react?
Which raises the other question of "What makes them grow?"
But..another thought is that Perry's mistress regain her sight,so
corrections seem to be made..I'm getting so confused!

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:15:16 -0600
From:    Mickey <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

At 05:55 PM 2/8/96 -0500, Nancy wrote:

>But who would have the guts to put his/her hand into a vampire's mouth
>with the fangs exposed to remove them?

Steve Martin's character in "Little Shop Of Horrors"? :)
Save Forever Knight!
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
E-mail for more information: mickey@c.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:27:54 -0600
From:    Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: The NATPE 7 & Diane E's web page

Allison said:
>I was confused at first that the photo I first downloaded from your page
>only had 6 people in it.  Egads, the NATPE 7 can't count!  Then I realized
>that *someone* had to take the picture.  Between the two photos in there
>you seem to have seven separate individuals.  We need captions, though.

Sorry, I haven't figured out yet how to only have captions appear when you
boot up the picture.  Can you do that?  Never mind, I'll add captions this
weekend.  Promise.

Actually, the page wasn't scheduled to go up until this weekend, but someone
forwarded me Lana's "Scam" post, and I felt the need to get photographic
evidence out on the Web. :)

>Who's the person in the first picture in the lower right who seems to be
>half vamped-out?  Or is that just red-eye from the flash? ;)

All the NATPE 7 are vampires; didn't you know? ;> Actually, yes, it's
flash-glare.

That's Catherine Boone.  Angela Lai is next to her; I'm leaning on Catherine's
shoulder.  The top row is, left to right, Toni Holm, Cherri Munoz, and Debbie
Lichtman.  The tall, pale redhead in the other shot is, of course, Dianne T.
DeSha. :)

>Also, Diane, you need to be more ambitious.  The web counter on your page
>has only two digits!

Hey, it only had *one* two days ago! <ahem> I prefer to consider it a becoming
modesty. <g>  My counter's number of digits will grow as the number of
visitors grow.  'Sides, if you don't like it, argue with the Gremlin; he set
it up. ;)

>By the way, does anyone know if the January 24th issue -- the one with
>the article on the Save FK campaign in it -- will be distributed anywhere
>except at NATPE?

No, it won't, which is why I'm offering free copies to everybody.  Speaking of
which....

<Game Show Announcer Mode ON>

*FRANCES SAUER, COME ON DOWN!*  You are the proud recipient of the *fiftieth*
NATPE bag-and-flyer to be sent from my house!

<Game Show Announcer Mode OFF>

OK, so it's not the Pulitzer prize! Still, I know it's the fiftieth bag
because the case I'm working off of was unopened when I brought it back from
Las Vegas, and the bags are bundled in stacks of 50.  So, there are *only* 450
more bags available! :) If you want a FREE NATPE bag and brochure (brochure
supplies *are* limited) mail a SASE, manilla envelope with $.55 cents postage
(or, if you're feeling lazy, 2 $.32 stamps) to:

NATPE Goodies
[Address removed]

Canadian residents may tape a loonie to their letter in lieu of postage, or
include two International Postage Coupons.  Your choice. :)

If you want a copy of the EM article, too, just tell me so. Deb Hisle very
kindly sent me a sheet of extra-ounce ($.23) stamps, so I can send the next 37
requestors an article at *no cost whatsoever*!

And I want to thank all of you for the wonderful notes you've been including
with your requests!  They're going into my NATPE scrapbook, where anybody who
runs into me at a Con in the next decade can have them inflicted on them! ;)

Diane E, singing,
"Back in the saddle again....."
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......    #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination,    #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:36:43 -0500
From:    Rebecca Howle <JHHowle@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

In a message dated 96-02-08 17:52:10 EST, you write:

>
>But who would have the guts to put his/her hand into a vampire's mouth
>with the fangs exposed to remove them?
>
>Nancy Fralic, newbie

Hey how about Natalie when she measured his incissors in the ep "Hearts of
Darkness" I know he wasn't in the fang mode, but a quick pull might have done
the trick!

Iechyd da!

R. Howle

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:38:17 -0600
From:    Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: mortal sex

I said:
>> But Nick (and LaCroix, and Javier) can't
>>'satisfy' a female mortal lover without going over the edge to 'reflex',

Annmarie queried:
>Diane..then conceivably,if the male were to show self-control or tactical
>timing, (also trying to stay PG-13) then do you think that he would be able to
>maintain a relationship with a mortal?

Umm... depends on how you define 'relationship'.  It's not called a reflex for
nothing. <g>  Please note that I specifically referenced "completing the act"
in my original post.  Think about it.

If you still need a more detailed explanation, ask me by private e-mail. :) I
know for a fact some list members are under age.

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......    #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination,    #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 03:24:24 UT
From:    Doug Warren <dougwarren@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK tapes, etc.

Hi Maria. I'm basically very much a lurker but couldn't resist a comment about
your new company name and logo. My colleagues and I were discussing it at
lunch today and couldn't believe a company would take such a name! It's much
to similar to Lucifer! Anyway, I would love to "talk" to you about duping
tapes. Since I'm also very new at this computer thing I think I'll wait to
respond in a longer message until I'm sure this one went through!
Barbara (using hubby's computer!)

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From:   Forever Knight TV show on behalf of Maria Montalvo
Sent:   Monday, February 05, 1996 11:50 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L
Subject:        FK tapes, etc.

I've been ignoring requests for tapes, because my list was too long
for a while there, but my list is getting pretty short now, so I'm
willing to add to it again.

I'd like to limit requests to first season Canadian (my tapes are a
little blurry, but watchable).  If you're in the continental US, the
cost is likely to be $15.50 (if tape prices and postage don't go up
significantly; I have a feeling my list is going to get rather long).


Anyway, I now work for 'Lucent Technologies (Bell Labs Innovations)'
(one of the spin-offs of the old AT&T).  And the new logo is a blood-red
hand-painted circle, brush stroke evident.
Hey! lets start a mail-in campaign to change it to Lucien Technologies --
just put a little more paint on the brush, and let it drip....

Maria

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 03:38:34 UT
From:    Doug Warren <dougwarren@m.......>
Subject: Re: Normal talk

Well, I'm a lurker on all 3 lists and, to be quite honest, can't for the life
(immortal or otherwise) discern which list truly talks about what! Seems to be
quite a bit of crossover on all.

I would like to second the opinion about too much discussion of physical
characteristics and sexual fantasies.

However, I'm hooked enough to the show to continue my "subscription". I just
"fast forward and delete" that which I find embarrassing. Similar to changing
channels instead of trying to dictate viewing habits to the rest of the world.

Barbara W. (back to lurking -- it's safer there)
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From:   Forever Knight TV show on behalf of Lisa McDavid
Sent:   Monday, February 05, 1996 2:41 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L
Subject:        Normal talk


Well, no, historically we don't talk much about sexual fantasies
(calendar or otherwise <g>) or cast butts. Now please don't get me
wrong -- I'm as capable of fantasizing as anyone else -- but I too
have been bothered by this tendency lately. It's probably at least
in part because we have at least one lurking cast member and known
conduits to some of the others, but we've always made a point of not
saying anything that you wouldn't want to be saying and turn around
to find that the cast member in question was standing behind you. Yes,
that has happened at cons.

Much of what used to be on Forkni-l now ends up on Fkspoilr, because
it relates to new episodes. However we have shown a tendency to get
into general topics over there. I suggest we try harder to move discussions
which have become general to Forkni-l.

Some topics have become worn out for longer term members, e.g. why
Fk vampires react to crosses, but that doesn't mean that the topics
can't be talked about. Come on, some of you lurkers, talk to us. Your
opinions count as much as the rest of us!

Another thing we used to talk about is, what would happen if situations.
E.g. would Nick really like being mortal if he had a chance at it?

For those of us who've considered unsubbing, and yes, I'm one, let's
try starting a new topic instead.

Ok, lurkers, over to you.

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:41:10 EST
From:    MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: Fwd: Re: FK Vanity Plates

> > Speaking of which, does anyone out there *have* an FK related vanity plate?
> > Or have you seen one that could be interpreted as such.  I need ideas for
> > when I get my dream Jeep.

I saw a black car with the plate "VAMPYR" cruising around Toronto.

Marg
ZEZQ01A@p.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:41:06 EST
From:    MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: FK tapes offer

I'm probably going to regret opening my big mouth, but I'll make copies
of my FK tapes for tape & postage costs, at least until I get bored. :-)

I have:
First season: complete Canadian
Second season: About half of the eps are 1st gen. The rest are second
generation.
Third season: Complete to date
Except as noted, all my copies are 1st generation, SP

First come, first served. Please reply off-list.

Marg
ZEZQ01A@p.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:52:37 -0600
From:    Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: VCR ALERT! Tune into ET NOW!

I think they'll be showing a NATPE segment next! Everybody tape it and see if
you can spot one of our neato-nifty bags! (or the Strike Forces!) <G>

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......    #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination,    #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:59:21 -0600
From:    Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: VCR alert: Sorry, false alarm! :(

It was just a short tag, but it was *definitely* at NATPE, and they promised
more tomorrow! So set those timers, people! :)

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                    gryphon@e.......    #
#    WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination,    #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert  #

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:56:38 EST
From:    MS GILLIAN A ELDRIDGE <VRKP26B@p.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs for the Memories

If I remember correctly, the reason Maharet (in the Anne Rice novels)
had to replace her eyes was because she was blind when she became a
vampire. The vampires wake up each morning exactly as they were when
they were brought across, unless something really drastic has been done
to them, when it will take longer for them to revert to their pre-
vampire state.

Jill Eldridge   (g.eldridge1@g.......)
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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:08:58 -0800
From:    Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: More NATPE Pix

O.K. after some confusion, RL delay, and developing-n-scanning time,
all the pix from the disposible "candid" camera Diane E. supplied for
the NATPE trip are up.  (And they're captioned and everything!)

Check us out! :-)

http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~maeve/NATPE/natpe.html

Dianne
The Once-Again-Mad Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
     ***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:14:22 -0500
From:    Rebecca Burns <r.burns@g.......>
Subject: You Lucky Knightie!

On Thu  8-Feb-1996  6:45p, Lillian Feden wrote:
LF> At 09:17 AM 2/8/96 -0800, K Swanson wrote:

LF> I'm going to Toronto in ONE WEEK!!!  I'm so excited!
LF> Lillian

        I am so envious!   I would love to go to Toronto this time of year!

Becky
Knightie, NatPacker, & closet Cousin
r.burns@g.......

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:34:27 -0800
From:    [Name removed by request]
Subject: Re: FK on USA tonight

Hearts of Darkness
(whoopie. This Cousin's dream.)

[Name removed by request], /
How can you trust someone who bleeds for seven days and doesn't die? - BGW

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:21:21 -0500
From:    Stephania Hyde <Step68@a.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry

I feel the need to step up and defend Nick here.

A number of people have pointed out (some in terse terms) that Nick needs to
find redemption, not give up his vampiric nature; that if he accepted his
role as a vampire he would finally be happy.  I agree that redemption is his
ultimate goal.  However, there is no way for him (at present) to reach that
goal without turning his back on vampirism.

Consider, if Nick gave into his desire to kill, he would KNOW that he was
doing wrong.  How would he find redemption while killing people he knew to be
more than mere animals?  LaCroix sees people as a supply of food and
amusement, and thus feels no remorse for killing them.  He doesn't need
redemption because he doesn't feel that he is doing anything wrong.  Nick,
however, sees people as PEOPLE.  If he gave into his desire to kill them, he
would be doing an evil act and pushing himself further and further from
redemption.

Turning from his vampiric nature is a necessary step to achieving redemption,
either by becoming human or finding a way to supress the violent urges that
are part and parcel of being a vampire.  Only when Nick stops giving into his
vampire side can he begin to forgive himself and become redeemed, because he
feels that what his vampire nature forces him to do is wrong.  The only way
giving into his vampire side would make him happy is if he gave up his
concience at the same time.

Stephania
Nick&Nat-Packer, who stares at the screen with a look of angst for poor
Nick's plight

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:30:13 -0500
From:    Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Blood, Sweat, and Hairs

Alora C. Chistiakoff wrote:

>No, but we do cry/sweat water which makes up over 90% of our bodies, and
>which our body derives from almost everything we eat. So it makes sence
>that, since vampires don't have a water in-take the bodily functions that
>include water would, instead, include blood.

Why would we assume that they don't digest the blood in the same way that we
humans digest food?  I break down my milk shake into solids and fluids
(water) and I sweat the water part.  Vampires may be at least partially
spiritually created (at least in FK), but they clearly exist by *some*
physical laws.  I'd have to say that if vampires weren't mostly water, too,
they'd be powdery and have flaky skin.  Unless you're thinking that some
supernatural force is holding their cells together instead of a hydrogen bond
(what holds water molecules together to create surface tension, unless I am
forgetting my chemistry).

If they don't digest blood, then where the heck does the blood GO?  I'm not
willing to accept that it just disappears: Matter is neither created nor
destroyed, it is only transformed.

And not to get gross or anything, but if humans subsisted on blood, we would
still cry regular saline tears.

>Like Nat said in Fever (talking aobut Screed in the final stages
>"bleeding out"), she said the lungs and abdomin fill with fluid "in this
>case blood." So fanfic assumption is not out of sinc with the FK universe.

Well, people's lungs and other body parts fill with blood, also.  People can
hemhorrage.  You know like with Ebola?  Our organs liquify -- and that liquid
is blood!

Sorry but I like at least some scientific validity since I am not a
subscriber to the religious explanation! :)

Vicki Merriman wrote:

>Vamps, OTOH, are dead.  Their bodies do not produce new substances.  The
>blood keeps them alive.  Now it would make perfectly good sense if they
>couldn't cry or sweat, but if they do, the only liquid they have to get
>rid of is blood..

Butbutbut!  They grow hair!  (I said in a whiny voice.)  NK grows those
sideburns and all.  As a kid who used to cut the hair off her Barbie dolls, I
can tell ya a dead head don't grow hair! ;)

Wicked Cousin Tippi

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:30:43 -0500
From:    Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Religion, Knights, and Vampires oh my!

As far as whether or not religious people would be on this list...  Who
knows?  I'm spiritual, not religious -- there's a big difference, at least to
me. ;)  But I've always said that you have to first be religious to be
sacrilegious, and spiritual to appreciate good wickedness. ;)  If Nick was a
good church-going knight (as he probably was), then it's not a surprise to me
that the pendulum swung the other way.  What's the saying?  "How the mighty
shall fall"? or something?

Only saints can fall from grace, because devils have already hit rock bottom.

As far his his age...  Well, he could be younger than he looks.  The life
expectancy back in the Middle Ages was not so high.  Someone could be old by
the time they were 40!  A hard life could have made a 25 or 30 year old look
ten years older.  After all, there were no facial moisturizers back then. ;)

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:19:12 -0800
From:    Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Human vs. Cow Blood

A friend of mine, who is a vet student, sent me the following, for those of
you curious:

>Now about this Cow vs. Human thing:  I'm not really qualified to
>answer the question with any specifics because we don't get much stuff
>on humans or other primates.  Yet, I CAN tell you this:

>1.  For the most part, the two species contain the same TYPES of
>components, although these components vary considerably from one
>species to the next.  For example, the cow and human both have
>albumin, but they each have their own species specific molecular forms
>of albumin.

>2.  They both have similar blood cells (red blood cells, lymphocytes,
>platelets, neutrophils, etc.) but the cells are of different
>morphology and in different ratios.

>3.  I imagine that many factors (such as pH) will vary considerably
>between the two species based on the fact that we are
>carnivores/omnivores while cows are ruminants!!!  This is a very
>important point!!

>4. Immunological cells and globulins will be species (and individual)
>specific.  The two species are exposed and susceptible to totally
>different things.

>Sorry that I couldn't be more specific.  I looked in my
>hematology books for primate stuff, but I couldn't find anything.  Are
>you sure you don't want me to compare the horse and the pig?

So, I have to wonder if Nick isn't missing out on some vital nutrients by
drinking the cow blood.  Like when you put your cat on a vegetarian diet and
then need to give it certain protein supplements to make up for deficiencies
cause by lack of meat in the diet.


Bonnela de las Vaqueras
-- Heartbreaker (for more reasons than can be listed here)
(bonnie@o.......)-- Forever Knight FOREVER!

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:17:39 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

Katya wrote:
:Hi...a quick question, brought on by an immenent visit to the dentist
:<shudder>...d'you suppose vampires get cavities?

Based on the healing that vampires seem to get from coming over, I'd say
that they got those healed too. After all, cavities start because a little
bacteria who likes to colonize mouths also secretes acid. It would be like a
scar. Now if they can keep scars from their former life (like the Rick
Springfield Nick Knight) then, they'd keep the cavities they had, but
wouldn't get more.

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:22:54 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires...what else?

:Well, what would they eat that could cause cavities?  Blood, I think, doesn't
:contain a large amount of sugar...  And would their natural healing process
:stop the decay if they did develop one?  I'd think so.

I don't know about that. If they could get cavities, I think that blood
would be pretty good at it. Normally blood has a glucose level of between 70
and 100 mg per 100cc volume. Diabetics can go from 300 to over 1000 on an
out of control day.

I wonder if diabetics would taste better to a vampire?

kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:07:17 -0800
From:    Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: Dianne E

Dianne,

I want to check out your web page.  One problem, the paper that I had it
written on was shredded.  (6 chihuahuas will do that when lefy alone)
Would you please E-mail the address to me.  Thank you

Heather
penni@w.......
Knightie, Nick/Nat Packer

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Date:    Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:02:01 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: FK Vanity Plates

Of course, there's a great vanity plate name lurking in the filename I use
for the SFK Web Page:

4EVRNYTE

And if anyone in New York State gets that vanity plate between now and
whenever I can get a car, I'm going to be very upset. <g>

--
KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. -- The Illustrated C.O.U.S.I.N.
NatPack -- Mercenary -- SFK WebGoddess -- Asst. Listowner
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/immajer/
THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.

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