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Digest - 6 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Tue, 6 Feb 1996
There are 25 messages totalling 1016 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Half Vampires???? (2)
2. FK cast in plays
3. NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams (2)
4. What if...
5. FK Party - Virginia
6. Calendar listings...
7. Another Fascinating Topic (this one's LONG!)
8. YKYBWTMFKW
9. Missed Frostmelt part 16!
10. Only 10 Canadian Actors; Possible Heresy re: JP (2)
11. Without a Clew (2)
12. Natalie's quandry (4)
13. What, not clewed in YET?
14. another list? bah!
15. False Heart---Kind Soul
16. LC And His Pets/Calendars/Half Vampires
17. A Fascinating New Topic
18. ***Local Syndie Sales Rep Said, "Yes" to 4th Season Renewal
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:18:10 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Half Vampires????
Jason Ryan talked about a half vampire on Spider Man. There is also
a Japanese animation film called Vampire Hunter D that explores a
similar idea (the vampire hunter is the child of a vampire and a
mortal woman). I think the myth term for such "offspring" is *dhampir*.
As regards FK, last season the ep Baby, Baby was about a female vampire
who wanted to get pregnant because a myth she had heard said that such
a happening would make the female vampire mortal again (her view was
that the only way a child could grow was if she was mortal). We have
seen Nick in relationships with other female vampires and there has
never been any indication that a female vampire can be impregnated by
a male vampire. However, a union between a mortal and a vampire could
result in offspring perhaps (there is precedent as indicated above in
myth). Nat has found some genetic differences in Nick from the
ordinary human though so it is also conceivable from a show standpoint
that a vampire and a human *cannot* produce offspring also. LC, for
instance, wrote off the myth the female vampire was pursuing the truth
of in Baby, Baby as just that--myth.
There is one further problem with vampire-human mating in FK. This
is the tendency of the vampire to want to bite and drink blood as part
of the sex act (which can be fatal for the mortal involved). The
vampire hunter we saw in last season's Bad Blood was not the child of
a vampire and a mortal. He was attacked by a vampire as a child and
nearly died, would have died in fact had it not been for the actions
of a priest who intervened in a religious fashion. The child was left
with some increased sensitivity to light and (apparently) to the
presence of other vampires, his experience with a vampire killing his
family and almost killing him making him a vampire hunter. My personal
opinion is that had it not been for the priest's intervention, the
boy would have come across like Jack the Ripper did in the same ep
when attacked and left for dead. There must be some point at which
the volume of blood drained or something can result in a person being
brought over if they don't die.
Of course, for fiction purposes, one can invent whatever one wants
with a plausible reason. ;) FK does it all the time. :)
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:33:20 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Half Vampires????
Ooops, almost forgot the original question. I would think that a
pregnant woman brought across would miscarry the child do to the
shock to the system. Whether the child would survive (and it would
be mortal, I think) would depend on how far along the woman was in
her pregnancy. If the woman for some reason *did not* miscarry, I
suppose it *might* be possible for her to carry the child to term
and give birth. But I would expect such a child to be born vampire,
because any nourishment it got while growing would be from blood
tainted with whatever causes FK vampirism. But another possibility
might be suggested by the tendency of vampires not to age. If the
woman did not miscarry, she might be *eternally* pregnant (the non-
aging quality passing to the child, which would again be vampiric).
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:33:55 EST
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: FK cast in plays
In case no one else has posted anything about Ger in "Taming of the
Shrew", I'll check on it tomorrow and post all the info to the list.
Sorry to take so long to do this, I'm about 500 posts behind, so if
someone's already posted this, I haven't gotten to it yet.
As for Ger and Cath in a play last year...... It was "Love Letters",
and it wasn't done in Toronto, it was done about 80 miles from here.
And it only lasted for one performance, or maybe two at the most. And
I don't think it was even done last year, i.e., in 1995. It may have
been done in 1994. At any rate, they were just one couple out of
about six who did the play in a week, I think. I think it was a
benefit for the small summer theatre in Jackson's Point.
For those who've never seen it, "Love Letters" is a two-person "play",
which follows two people from their first meeting as teenagers, up
into their adult years and until the death of one of them. The whole
play is enacted through the two actors reading letters the characters
have written to each other over the years, and the two actors mainly
sit at a table and just read the letters throughout the whole
performance. It's not as boring as it sounds, though...it's amazing
how much can be done by two talented actors in the roles. It's a
popular play for people to do who don't have much time, such as TV
actors in a series, because you don't have to memorize anything, the
script (letters) is right in front of you all the time. And it
doesn't need lengthy rehearsals. So people who are too busy to do
normal theatre can do "Love Letters" for a day or a week or so, in
between other things, and can keep connected to the theatre that way.
It >is< a very well-written play.
I can't remember exactly, but I think Ger and Cath stepped in at the
last minute to replace someone who was originally scheduled to appear,
but then had to cancel due to illness. But I could be wrong about
that. However, it would explain why no one heard about it beforehand.
I do remember seeing something about it in the paper, but because it
was so far away and I had no way to get there, I didn't pay too much
attention to it. Besides, I really think this was done in 1994,
before I was on-list.
Meanwhile, I'm sure planning to go see Ger in "Taming of the Shrew",
and will write a full report about it when I do. And also post the
info to the list tomorrow.
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:40:33 -0500
From: Bea Quindlen <ocaoin@u.......>
Subject: Re: NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams
On Mon, Feb 5, 1996 9:06:32 AM, LG Soward wrote:
> I've been receiving notes and email from people saying basically,
>"I've sent money in but I hope you're not scamming me."
>
>Laurie, Jamie, and I, as well as the countless others, have worked very hard
>to bring this about. We've generated a lot of publicity within the industry
OK - everybody - stand up, put your hands together and clap several times.
Lana, Laurie, Jamie, et al, take a bow. You deserve it - and a lot more for
all you've been doing for Forever Knight. And you deserve apologies for the
garbage you've taken.
Now, everyone who has sent money in --- take one hand (put your mouse
down), bend it at the elbow and place your hand between your shoulder
blades. Flex at the wrist several times. There---you've given yourself a
pat on the back.
To those who haven't sent anything in - you've still got time - even a
single dollar helps.
And finally - to the complainers and doubters - This has been a nice
friendly fandom/list - occasional differences of opinions to keep things
lively - but on the whole people were mature, polite and respectful. Why
are you seeking to destroy that?
If you distrust us, why are you here? What have you done to save the
fandom?
Why do you waste your Internet time insulting people who ARE DOING
SOMETHING?
Don't waste OUR time - get out and leave us alone.
I have been involved in too many fandoms and their politics to keep silent.
I value the friends I have made on this list and will not stand to see them
insulted/treated this way.
Bea Quindlen
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 02:13:11 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: What if...
I have only seen a few first and third season eps, but so far, I have
noticed that Natalie is treating Nick's vampire symptoms (i.e., adverse
reactions to food, crosses, sunlight, etc.) but has she attacked the
immortality issue?
What would happen is she cured the bothersome symptoms but left Nick
immortal. How would LaCroix and the rest of the vampire community react
both to Nick and Natalie?
Also, what if the only cure for Nick would be to kill a human (some blood or
genetic factor) -- what if that mortal was Natalie or Tracy or Jenny Schanke?
Probably some ideas for fan fic here, but I just thought I would ask here
and get some feed back from the masses.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"Dead is dead. And life is wasted on the living." -- RIP
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 04:10:10 -0500
From: zillah <zillah@i.......>
Subject: FK Party - Virginia
There is a FK Party being planned for February 24th in Newport News,
Virginia. All those wishing to attend are most welcome. Included in the
festivities will be:
1. Tapes of seasons 1, 2, & 3
2. Interviews with the second season cast
3. Nigel Bennett's cereal commercials (It's not oatmeal!)
4. The mythical blooper reel (shhhh!)
On top of all this, the local synicate (UPN 27) will be showing that week's
episode.
For more information and RSVP, you can e-mail
Becky <r.burns@g.......>
~ or ~
Cousin Zillah <zillah@i.......>
There's never been an FK Party in Virginia so lets make it a memorable one.
______________________________________________
Becky
<r.burns@g.......>
Knightie, NatPacker, & closet Cousin
.Cousin Zillah.
.zillah@i........
"The time has come, the Walrus said, to speak of many things..."
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 04:21:43 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Calendar listings...
You guys *do* realize I'm saving these, don't you? <grin>
I probably mentioned this, but... someone at work was throwing out a
notebook that said "Morale Management Guide" ... and I'm currently
using it as an FK scrapbook... NATPE reports, warm fuzzies, press
releases, etc. The calendars just got their own section. (someone
also kindly chucked a 24-section set of dividers with a "table of
contents" thingie as well. Awesome, eh?)
Spamming for FOREVER KNIGHT!! The Mad Fax Spammer
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 05:43:57 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Another Fascinating Topic (this one's LONG!)
I've been thinking about this for a long time. For those of you who read
the alt.tv.forever-knight newsgroup, I started a related thread a few
months ago that produced a discussion of Nick as romantic hero. Anyway,
here goes . . . (and I apologize for rambling--I'm writing this between
about 4:00 and 5:30 am after staying up all night!)
One thing that fascinates me about Nick (and about all the other vampire
characters in relation to him) is his "dark side"--not just his "dark
side," but how it is constructed according to various "sources," his
attitude towards it, and notions of how it can be "cured." While in some
ways it is easy to list the attibutes of this dark side, I find it very
difficult to explain to myself why I find it so fascinating . . . and why
(god knows why) I identify with it for some reason. Oh, I should also
point out that the other characters, particularly LaCroix and Janette,
appeal to me because their "dark sides" are overt, out in the open,
unconcealed, whereas Nick hides his and tries to tame it. It's that
hiding and taming that fascinates me . . . while at the same time,
LaCroix's and Janette's joyous acceptance and celebration of that same
"dark side" in themselves serves as a wonderful, exciting, liberating
contrast to Nick.
A basic fact of FK is that Nick is a monster in the literal sense.
He is a VAMPIRE, and vampires are generally considered monsters in the
popular imagination, right? (Why we like these vampire monsters is
another subject for now, okay?) Now the first episode I ever saw of FK
drove this home to me--I *think* it was "Be My Valentine" (Nick crashes
through a greenhouse thingy of a penthouse or something to rescue Nat from
a serial killer or rapist or some such creature--sorry, my memory is
foggy). Anyway, in order for Nick to do *good*, he had to become a monster
and reveal himself as a monster to Nat. (Again, I can't recall this ep.
clearly enough to claim my cause and effect statement is correct--sorry.
I think someone told me Nick had revealed himself as a vampire to Nat
earlier in the story, but I don't think I actually saw the whole episode.)
Anyway, what I see in Nick is a basic paradox: he can use his vampiric
powers to do GOOD, and these powers enable him to do more good than any
human could possibly do. But at the same time, these powers render him
nonhuman, are the source of his "terrible secret" that he can reveal only
to those he trusts absolutely (like Nat), and are basically the bane of
his existence. (Another topic occurs to me here: What Nick wants more than
anything is to be human, to be rid of the "curse" that comes with being a
vampire--but if he becomes mortal, he will not only be rid of the "evil"
within himself, but also of the powers that enable him to do more "good"
than any human can possibly do . . .)
I get off track so easily, but for me this topic is infinite. I *think*
my main question here has to do with the nature of Nick's "terrible
secret," though I can assure you I have said nothing so far to indicate
that focus!
I'm working from memory here, and my mind is like a steel trap with the
anwers locked inside . . . I've seen vampirism depicted as a culture, as a
mental state, as an addiction, as a sexual fetish, as a genetic variant,
as a virus.
Whetever the source of vampirism, contemporary Western culture dictates
that it's something shameful. Of course LaCroix and Janette see vampirism
as a source of pride--it's a culture, a way of life, a biological state of
being. I, personally, compare their attitude to the queer movement and
"angry essentialist" feminist movement (the latter is the subject of my
dissertation--"angry essentialism" is my coinage--and I place artists and
critics like Camille Paglia, Karen Finley, Holly Hughes, the French
feminists [like Cixous and Kristeva], and some ecofeminists like Susan
Griffin in this category), and even to something like the Deaf Culture
movement, in which deafness is a cultural sign rather than a mark of
disability. I mean that what is considered deviant by mainstream society
is by LaCroix and Janette considered the undeniable, unescapable reality
of a minority culture, the basis of a way of life, and a reality to
celebrate.
The position(s) of LaCroix and Janette, I think, are extremely important
in the FK universe (one of many reasons I bemoan the loss of Janette!) at
least partly because they represent the "legitimating" reality for Nick's
"abnormality." Janette tended to represent a liberated female sexuality,
the anti Victorian Woman who, having served her time as a prostitute,
would not put up with any crap from male exploiters (I guess Urs is
supposed to fill Janette's shoes is this regard, but I'm not convinced
yet), and Janette represents the liberated female sexuality Nick finds
irresistable (I love that!). And LaCroix, to me (and I emphasize TO ME
for those who will object to this), represents an eternal homosexual
attraction between two men, Nick and LaCroix, where Nick (who is always
conscious of society's mores and restrictions) is always denying his
impulses, and LaCroix is aways pushing Nick to accept his biological
nature and his unescapable connection--whether we want to call it a
parent-son relationship or a homosexual link--to LaCroix. These are NASTY
associations for a man (Nick) who wants to be human and "normal" in a
homophobic, anti-feminist world.
Now add on top of that the disease and addiction qualities associated with
vampires. Nick is "afflicted" with vampirism, and Nick and Nat both
believe it can be "cured" with proper medical or psychological
intervention. I don't know if vampirism has ever been directly compared
to AIDS on FK (though a recent episode does at least suggest an analogy),
but the film *The Hunger* does. And there have been a few FK episodes
which have dealt with vampirism as an addiction. Let me try to explain
what I'm thinking (though my ideas are fuzzy still). To me, vampirism is
always associated with sexuality--in particular, an uncontrollable sexual
drive linked to the vampire's desire for human blood--and when the vampire
makes a kill, the experience is a sensual, sexual experience . . . an
experience tied to the as-far-as-I-know universal association of food and
sex. (I do acknowledge that my take on this is probably not universal,
but anyway . .) When a vampire drains a human, he or she not only
experiences a physiological satisfaction like a generic human feels after
eating a boring human meal, s/he also gets a psychological thrill (the
kill) and a sexual thrill. A vampirism/homosexuality/AIDS/automatic moral
condemnation link seems pretty obvious to me (active imagination that I
have). The sexual thrill, I think, is built into at least relatively
recent versions of the vampire mythology, and it's powerfully present to
me when I watch FK. Am I just a pervert? Many times when I've watched FK,
when Nick has vamped out, I picture a pubescent boy trying to . . . um .
. .. deal with a hard problem. But anyway, that "uncontrollable" sexual
urge, that blood link, has been associated with homosexuality and other
"sexual perversions" for quite a while (and I am NOT saying I condone
equating homosexuality with perversion, by the way).
Anyway, until very recently, homosexuality was classified as a
psychological abnormality by psychologists, but now it's sort of in limbo
as a "maybe-biological" condition pending further research. Meanwhile,
we have some new psychological disorders on the charts: along with the old
standards, like pedophilia and various fetishes, we have "sex addiction,"
which is treated in much the same way as alcoholism or drug addiction.
Hmmmm. Very interesting. Also, PMS has been recognized as an authentic
physiological disorder among women during their reproductive years.
In some ways, the scientific/medical/psychological identification of a
"disease" as a genuine illness can be beneficial, while in other cases it
can be harmful, and in others it can be both. For an example of the
latter, PMS has recently been designated as a "real" affliction of women.
While this is good in that it validates the physical pain and emotion
disruptions some women suffer, it also suggests that women's menstrual
cycles totally control them physically and psychologically--more evidence
that women can't control their own bodies and minds (I have 2000 years'
worth of quotations on this subject, if anyone's interested). Similarly,
whether homosexuality is biologial or social/psychological is under debate
now. If homosexuality is biological (determined genetically?), then it is
a natural human drive--but it also suggests "drives" or "instincts" or
whatever that are beyond rational control. Western culture has a history
of repressing and condemning such "drives." Whether they are "natural"
or not, they are something the rational mind must control. By the same
token, from what I've read, addiction tends to be viewed as a drive that
needs to be contained and controlled, and whether that drive is biological
or psychological, it is viewed as not just something the rational mind can
and must contain (consider "Just Say No," alcoholics anonymous, narcotics
anonymous, etc.). I don't intend to argue whether or not this is correct,
but rather just to indicate that this is the way Western culture deals
with addiction now.
In one episode, I think it was "The Fix," Nick got hooked on a "cure" for
vampirism, much as a heroin addict might get hooked on methadone. You
know, one "fix" substitutes for another . . . and yet the "cure" never
actually releases the "addict" from his vampirism. There have been other
episodes in which Nick finds substitutes for actually going out and
draining human victims. The main fact these episodes underscore is that
Nick has a *violent* urge to go out and drain humans. He can drink cow's
blood from a bottle, or whatever, but that drive remains--and waits to be
unleashed in whatever form his conscious or unconscious mind will allow
him. That drive *never* disappears so long as he is a vampire.
Okay . . . here's the long-awaited point to these ramblings. It seems
clear to me that Nick is under the control of physical drives that
sometimes exceed his conscious control. His main task is to keep these
drives (needs, impulses, desires) under rational, human-like control, and
ultimately to conquer them completely by "curing" his vampirism and
becoming human.
Here are the questions I want to put up for discussion (though, of course,
any part of this rambling beast of a post is up for grabs): Does Nick's
"condition," and his need to contain it, speak to the "beast within" each
of us? Do we really have "beasts within"--and if so, why do we think so?
To what extent does Nick's sense of guilt--his feeling of being abnormal
according to human standards--reflect the condition of humans, at least in
Western culture? And if we identify more with the uncloseted beasts like
LaCroix and Janette, why? What are the philophies or ideologies involved
in FK's construction of "the beast within"? What assumptions do we hold
about human nature that make FK's version of vampires so appealing to us?
Or are "human nature" and FK vampires related to each other at all? What
do we believe about ourselves? What do FK's vampires have to do with what
we believe about ourselves? . . . I know I have other questions on this
topic, but my brain just decided it's time to go to sleep (what?! it's
only 5:30 am!)
Good night all. I hope you will find something worth discussing in this
post . . . I did my best!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:04:37 -0500
From: Teresa Davidson <davidson@r.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW
Thursday at work, I experienced one of those YKYBWTMFKW phenomena:
Functioning on autopilot and needing time to myself, I decided to take the
most isolated route I could on my way to a meeting. So I didn't really
notice or care how or when the other person came to be walking behind me
down the otherwise deserted corridor ...that is, until he appeared at my
right side and didn't pass. Feeling slightly invaded and instinctually
cautious, I glanced over. There, keeping pace, was a tall, pale stranger
looking at me. At that moment, he spoke with a deep, European accent
(German, I think), "Are you going where I am going?"
I politely responded, "I don't know. Where are you going?" He said, "To the
vampires." Well, *that* sure piqued my interest and I looked at him dead on,
raising my brow. He then repeated, "To the *vampires* ...the vampires in the
auditorium."
My brain could not process this as being a valid reality at work, so it
started scrambling, wondering what he knew about me and how he knew *that*.
However, in contradiction, small jolts of excitement started hitting my body
in hope that this was real -- yes, *that's* when I knew I'd been watching
too much FK! ;-) I desperately sought for a quick, clever response to seize
this "opportunity" or at least continue the fantasy for a while. But again,
I managed only a raised brow to support the confusion on my face. The
mysterious stranger then matter-of-factly explained, "To the Red Cross
vampires ...the Bloodmobile!" And we parted.
Teresa Davidson, Ravenette Classic
davidson@r.......
P.S. Please don't chastise me for not accompanying him to give blood for
FK. There were valid reasons I couldn't.
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 06:18:20 -0600
From: Ninianne <copelasa@v.......>
Subject: Re: Missed Frostmelt part 16!
>Would some kind soul please take the time to send me part 16 of Frostmelt? I
>received part 17 today, but there's no sigh of the 16th!
Hank has the stories archived on his web page. I have a link to his fiction
section on my web page in the Highlander section.
Samantha
copelasa@v....... & COPELASA@c.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:24:44 E
From: Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject: Re: Only 10 Canadian Actors; Possible Heresy re: JP
Kayla said:
>I think the pianist in the Highlander ep "Timeless" is the young
>detective who was killed by Jack the Ripper in "Bad Blood."
I sincerely doubt it. Rae Dawn Chong played the pianist in "Timeless".
I recently watched "Bad Blood" and that was not Rae Dawn Chong.
Hope that helps.
Debra Ann
fiorini@a.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 06:01:39 -0800
From: Eliot <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams
At 03:40 AM 2/6/96 -0500, Bea wrote:
>And finally - to the complainers and doubters - This has been a nice
>friendly fandom/list - occasional differences of opinions to keep things
>lively - but on the whole people were mature, polite and respectful. Why
>are you seeking to destroy that?
OK, I'm lost (not unusual for me, but, that's besides the point):(
I *thought* I was being really good about reading each and every
posting off this entire list (please, please, let's NOT make a 5th list
(spoiler, list, fiction, jadfe) and I truly don't remember seeing anything
about what is being discussed aside from Lisa's epistle. Is all of the above
taking place thru private e-mail? If so, then these people are not, IMO,
"on the list", per se, and have been quietly expressing their own
insecurities, inabilities to trust, and/or fears or whatever. But, this has
been done *privately* (I think) and shouldn't be promulgated publicly. It
is an unfortunate fact of mob rule that the first sign of a panic, or doubt,
can set off a chain reaction that is totally opposite from the desired goal.
Let's not start biting, snipping and snarling at one another on (or off) the
list; we want our show to stay, to last and to give us all more pleasure.
People, on the whole, ARE "mature, polite and respectful" here.
Ok, my $.05 (inflation, doncha know?)
Jackie
Support your local Attorney...send your kid to Medical School.
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:53:34 -0500
From: Rebecca Burns <r.burns@g.......>
Subject: Only 10 Canadian Actors; Possible Heresy re: JP
On Tue 6-Feb-1996 9:01a, Kayla Clark wrote:
KC> I think the pianist in the Highlander ep "Timeless" is the young detective
KC> who was killed by Jack the Ripper in "Bad Blood."
I watched that ep on Sunday. The pianist is played by Rae Dawn Chong.
Becky
Knightie, NatPacker, & closet Cousin
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:05:07 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Without a Clew
On Feb 05, 1996 18:26:41, 'Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@m.......>'
wrote:
>(And that reminds me: who *did* end up with LC's pet goldfish, *Spike*,
>at the end of the last War anyway? I know Deb and I _wanted_ to take
>him with us to Bermuda for a vacation, the poor thing... :-)))
Maybe Spike got eaten by Ralph, the Virtual Cat?
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THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:13:29 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Natalie's quandry
Who else on the list thinks Nat has been b****y
this season because she has finally figured out
(at least subconsciously) she is in a losing situation.
Her biological clock must be ticking pretty loudly
by now and her love life is non-existant. But worst
of all, I just don't see that Nick *gives* her anything.
He needs *her*, all right, but what is she getting out
of the relationship? Talk about unwellness love!!!
(Yeah, I know she gets to study the vampire phenomenon,
but that isn't what is keeping her home nights.)
How about some general comments on such a one-sided relationship?!? Hey, I've
pulled for Nick & Nat
for a long time, but I've suddenly realized that might
*not* be best for Nat. Is she trapped by her commitment
to someone who cannot commit back?
Is a cute (insert your favorite body part here) enough for today's modern
woman? I don't think so.
Lynn
Chatelyne@a.......
(beginning to think the Immortal Beloveds are on the right track)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:46:10 U
From: Celeste Hotaling-Lyons <celeste_hotaling-lyons@i.......>
Subject: What, not clewed in YET?
Subject: Time: 10:37 AM
What, not clewed in YET? Date: 2/6/96
Bonnela, my sweetie:
>Guess I must have hit pretty close to the mark, eh?
Guess again!
>>*snick, snick, snick* (the sound of a blade being sharpened)
>Are you offering a bit of sword play? I'm looking for a new partner. My
>old partners haven't quite healed completely.
Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*....
Celeste
"Looking forward to your custom in future lives."
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:48:51 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: another list? bah!
Cassie Carter wrote:
>I think this is a GREAT idea! I mainly object to the so-and-so's butt,
>LaCroix's dog, and fantasy FK calendar threads, though obviously these
>are appealing to many other folks on the list. Would it be possible to
>have a separate list devoted to this kind of stuff?
Hmm, the way I look at it is if people want to talk about a new topic, all
they have to do is introduce it, right? When I wanted to know how various
religious symbols affected FK vampires, I asked, and a LOT of people were
kind enough to answer. I think having a whole new list will only add
confusion -- I mean, my idea of "fun" is different from other people's.
(REALLY different! ;) ) In list as in life, I have no problem mixing in fun
stuff (butts, dogs, et al) with the serious stuff (religion, morality, et
al).
So some people want to talk about serious stuff. Okay, I can switch gears.
;) Someone posed a question along the lines "Would Nick really like it if he
became mortal?" (Sorry for paraphrasing!)
My thoughts on the matter: Referring to Anne Rice's Tale of the Body Thief
(hey lawyers cite from previous cases, why can't I cite from previous
vampires?), I think he'd realize it wasn't what he wanted after all. He'd
get sick or stub his toe or start to feel a twinge of arthritis... "Be
careful what you wish for." Me, I have no patience for vampires who complain
about getting to be young, handsome, and powerful for all eternity. ;) But
that's me -- I'm a Cousin! ;)
Cousin Tippi
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:49:07 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry
Hi Lynn,
I think thats a real good point you've made about Nat. I'm not sure
that I woud use bitchy,only because it seems like every time a woman
points her foot down that she is a bitch,but I think Nat is getting fed
up and who could blame her? This guy is a loser! (Ducking the Knighties)
What can I say, I'm a Cousin with a bit of Vaquera thrown in there for
good looks. At least with these two guys you know where you stand. The
character of Nick however has always struck me as being very selfish and
immature. But to his benefit, I don't recall him ever promising Nat any
type of commitment,so she should just get on with her life and stop
waiting for him. If I were a part of this "virtual world" and she was a
friend of mine I'd tell her to maintain the friendship but get on with a
life! But then in after thought here, maybe Nat is afraid of commitment
and what better man to have then than one who can't...
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:14:32 EST
From: TRACI ATCHISON <DATJ12A@p.......>
Subject: False Heart---Kind Soul
Could someone please send me a copy of 'False Heart' and 'Kind Soul',
or tell me how to get one. I downloaded False Heart but something
went wrong and was cut off in mid sentence about half way through.
Now I am left not knowing how it ends......
Any help would be appreciated.
Tratchis
Cousin/Knightie
"One should forgive one's enemies,
but not before they are hanged."
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:14:59 EST
From: MS SHIRLEY A CLINE <VUYX56A@p.......>
Subject: LC And His Pets/Calendars/Half Vampires
Greetings all,
Once again I've gotten a bit behind on digests, so please pardon
the long post.
Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......> said:
<< But then again, LaCroix already has the Cousins, at least *they*
come when called.>>
Yes, we do. :) BTW, I decided to interpret a certain word in that
sentence in a way could only be discussed on JADFE. ;) Thanks for the
thrill. ;)=
Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......> said:
<<All this stuff about calenders has me thinking(yes I can do that when
I really put my mind to it.<G>) We could make one. Another club I'm
in did one with illustrations. We could have one overall FK calender
or make a challenge out of it and each faction could make there own.>>
I know that some of us are expert computer users and have access
to high quality printers. Maybe they could put together a calendar(s)
using screen shots. Not being one of those people, I haven't the
faintest idea how much this would cost, of course. But I'd buy them.
Cousin Tratchis <DATJ12A@p.......> said:
<<what would happen if say, by accident a women was brought across,
while she was with child. Would the child be born half vampire? Full
vampire? Would it live at all??>>
An interesting question. Since I get all my scientific info from
Discover magazine, The Discovery Channel, and the Learning Channel, I
probably shouldn't even take a stab at it, but I will. :) I suspect
that it would depend on how far along the woman was in her pregnancy.
Forgive me, I may be straying off topic here. There was a movie (I
believe it was called To Die For 2, or something like that. It went
straight to video, I think) where this woman was taking care of a child
that had been conceived during sex with a vampire (and she was bitten
during the act as well). The baby was sick, had an aversion to sunlight,
and needed blood via transfusion if I remember correctly.
Just some thoughts...
Cousin Shirl <vuyx56a@p.......>
////"Clouds and eclipses, stain the moon and the sun. And history reeks,
of the wrongs we have done."//--"Consider Me Gone" by Sting////
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:26:09 CST
From: Don Durham <don.durham@d.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry
In: "Re: Natalie's quandry", mailed on Tue, 06 Feb 96 10:49:07 CST , Annmarie
McKee-Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
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> life! But then in after thought here, maybe Nat is afraid of commitment
> and what better man to have then than one who can't...
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Don Durham replied:
Ahhh, there's the rub. Nick is the ideal, unreachable object. He is very
safe from a relationship viewpoint. He is never going to take that plunge
into humanity, nor does he have the nerve to take Nat across and be done with
it.
Yes, I am a cousin and proud. Nick just does not have the c*****s to deal
with what he really wants.
Actually, Nick and Nat make the perfect pair. They are both fence sitters,
and neither one will take the next step. I think I am beginning to agree then
Uncle needs to step in and help Nick out of his rectangular prism of kiln
fired, hydrous aluminum silicate.
...OK, now how is it I set no mail...
Now I lay me down to bed, |Don Durham
Darkness can't engulf my head, |Don.durham@d.......
I can see by infrared, |000/000-0000 voice
God I love the night! LL after Marvin,tPA |000/000-0000 beep
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:29:24 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Re: A Fascinating New Topic
You said:
>
> Okay, as promised, I am delurking to attempt to start discussions on
> topics *I* am interested in, since all of my previous excuses for
> list-boredom have expired.
Cassie, let me just say I'm glad you're staying and I'm *especially* glad
that you've taken the positive approach of starting a topic of discussion
that interests you. Keep in mind, though, that not every effort to start
a discussion will get someone to "bite." If one topic doesn't work, put
another worm on the hook and try again. (Egads, a fish reference -- maybe
*Spike* is on my mind?)
>
> (2) What does FK have in common with *The Bionic Woman*?
You already took a good stab at this one. My memories of "The Bionic
Woman" as well as its parent show "The Six Million Dollar Man" are a bit
fuzzy, but I do recall that in both of them the characters experienced
alienation and self-doubt over their status. Were they really human? A
few times on each show someone saw a wire or diode sticking through their
arm and said something like, "What kind of monster are you?"
Kind of like what you'd say if someone vamped out in front of you?
A lot of programs about superhumans, or mutants, or aliens, are really
about alienation and striving to find one's place in the world. Another
favorite show of mine was "Alien Nation," which dealt with these issues
very directly (and I'm sure it's no accident that the title "Alien Nation"
is so close to the word alienation!).
Interestingly enough, the guy who developed the "Alien Nation" television
show, Kenneth Johnson, also developed "The Incredible Hulk" for
television. "The Incredible Hulk" was also about controlling one's dark
side. Sound familiar?
As for what else Parriott has done, I profess ignorance. I watched an
episode of his new show "Matt Watters" and it was good but not my cup of
tea. Now if the science teacher played by Montel Williams would vamp out,
or had mysterious alien or mutant powers, then it might catch my
attention.... :)
Is there something wrong with me because I prefer a show in which a
character struggles against a supernatural curse/gift (FK) to a show in
which an ordinary man tries to make a difference in the real world (Matt
Watters)?
Gosh, I feel like I'm suffering from alienation and self-doubt myself!
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:38:44 -0800
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Without a Clew
On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Celeste Hotaling-Lyons wrote:
> Bonnie Pardoe simpered adorably, re: cat ownership & LC:
Did any other librarians on the list do a double-take on this one?
(WARNING! LIBRARIAN IN-JOKE)
Whenever I see LC on this list, and I'm reading it at work, I have to be
sure to check the "from" line to make sure I'm not reading an AutoCat
message (LC being a librarian acronym for Library of Congress). Then
Celeste went and added the word "cat" (because we CATalog in LC here at
OSU!) and I had to check it TWICE.
I need to win the lottery so I can quit my job, forget librarianship and
concentrate on Forever Knight! :)
--Valery
kingv@u.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:42:33 -0600
From: Kayla Clark <katygale@i.......>
Subject: ***Local Syndie Sales Rep Said, "Yes" to 4th Season Renewal
Ladies, Gentlemen and everybody and everything else:
Joyce Harvey, Programming Director of WVLA in Baton Rouge (the NBC
affiliate), told me at 11:30am CT Tuesday 02/06 that she spoke to her FK Rep
yesterday. He told her that FK will be continuing in syndication this
season and renewals. USA, however, will not have it.
I specifically asked if the sales rep said that it would be renewed for a
fourth season and she said that that was her understanding. However, she
said, nothing was "written in blood," but that the Rep told her that the
people in Dallas were hearing from FK folks, too and "the higher ups were
asking questions." It's always possible that the Reps don't know the whole
story, so she put my name in her FK folder and when WVLA actually makes the
buy for next season, she'll call me. Yippee!!
GAWD, HOW I LOVE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!
(sorry for yelling)
Anyway, could somebody else check?
Long Live the Knight!
Cousin Kayla
(no sig, since mine is larger than regulation; but I support practically all
SF shows and I'm funny; have a serious side and am cute ;-) *I feel good*
<dancing in chair>)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:46:54 -0500
From: Chana <chana@b.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry
(Oh no, my first post... Argh...)
Hmmm, lots of folks (both here and on the Usenet) seem to think
Nat has been getting grouchy lately. I don't I agree. I do
think Nat's character is very direct. She says exactly what
she thinks. (Even to LaCroix!) She is honest and strong.
Two things her character has to be in order to survive and
be interesting.
With regard to the Nick and Nat relationship, I have given it
a lot of thought. (Which, BTW, does worry me...)
Things are not easy in the Nick/Nat relationship.
Nat is in love with someone who cannot reciprocate that
emotion in a normal sense. However, love and sex are
two different things. Does Nick love Natalie? I suspect so.
So what would we (the viewer) have Nick do to prove that
love?
Spend time with her? He does.
Save her life a few times? He has.
Tell her he cares for her? He does.
(Although I'm still waiting for Nick to get past the
dreaded "I care for you more than you'll ever
know..." stage and move on to the "I love you stage".)
Natalie then is left with the decision of whether her love for
Nick is strong enough to risk never having a truely happy,
satifying relationship. Tough choice! Maybe that is part of
loving a vampire. Obviously, there are infinite problems with
the Nick/Nat relationship. But then, if it were easy, it
wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
Several quotes do come to mind:
"Hope springs eternal..."
"It is better to have love and lost than to have
never loved at all..."
(And my favorite. Natalie's theme song as sung to Nick...)
"Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
when I'm sixty five..."
A dedicated Nick and Natpacker,
(Although I think LaCroix is deliciously evil...)
Chana
PS One last thought:
>Lynn <Chatelyne@a.......> said:
> Is cute (insert your favorite body part here) enough for
> today's modern woman? I don't think so.
So true. But then, as I recall, Natalie ducked out of the
kiss which followed that statement. :-)
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