FORKNI-L
Digest - 31 Dec 1995 to 1 Jan 1996 - Special issue
Mon, 1 Jan 1996
There are 40 messages totalling 1024 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Sell FK to Lifetime? (2)
2. FK in DANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (2)
3. my note re: the great letter
4. REMINDER - Quarter to Midnight!
5. question/SOS dream
6. Rae Montor? (2)
7. Way to go.....!!
8. Fooey on repeats....
9. the "Who's Doing What" list
10. Tammy! re:Nielsens!
11. Anyone else get preempted? (2)
12. Interesting web sites
13. Some thoughts on tv programming and FK's plight
14. 11:59:59
15. FORKNI-L Digest - 31 Dec 1995 - Special issue
16. question/Postcards
17. Warm Fuzzy Inspiration!
18. Ontario Film Investment Program? YNYD...
19. Ron's Party - Faerie blood? (2)
20. SOS & my $0.02
21. Happy New Year!!!
22. Confirmation from Perth
23. the great letter from syndic. stn
24. thanks for postcard help
25. bags at NATPE; Kaplowitz
26. Fangoria Con in NYC
27. Offlist Flame Mail
28. Bounced messages to Rae Montor
29. Ego v Pain
30. I'm new here
31. Save FK abroad
32. New Year's Greetings and YKYBDTMSOSS
33. More sponsors-need addresses
34. Reaching Off-List Fans
35. A great note from a local station
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:40:19 -0500
From: Leah Rosenthal <Bizarro7@a.......>
Subject: Re: Sell FK to Lifetime?
In a message dated 95-12-31 19:34:42 EST, Sharon wrote:
>
>As far as I know, the only thing Lifetime has produced as first run are
>talk show type things or documentaries, in addition to their movies. I'll
>be blunt, however, and say that I doubt they'll be that interested in FK,
>since they do promote themselves as a women's network
Wrongo! I recently watched an entertaining made-for-Lifetime move on that
network that was about -- ta daaaa -- a man who had fallen in love with a
female vampire. It was quite well made, and even featured a wonderful
musical sequence set to the perfect tune: "Bloodletting" by Concrete Blonde
(the Vampire song). In my view, the casting of the vampiress was the only
flaw. It is true, however, that much of Lifetime's programming is primarily
a bore to us. Much like the magazine PLAYGIRL, Lifetime is a network
produced by males who are SURE they know what appeals to women (and they are
horribly off the mark).
Wouldn't it be wonderful if a "Women's network" were actually that? Wouldn't
it be wonderful if they had the insight to include series that have had
proven appeal to females too?
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:57:52 -0700
From: Lyn Cannaday <413@e.......>
Subject: FK in DANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm posting this for all those returning students who only have access to
the list through a university sub forum, and so have missed most of the
posts I had to delete during moderator cleaning. FK is in danger of
cancellation. For info on how you can help go to
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html. Or contact Lisa
at moonlight@c....... or Sharon at romana@p.......
Lyn Cannaday ++++ There are many events ++++
Arizona State University West ++++ in the womb of time, ++++
Phx,AZ 413@....... ++++ which will be delivered ++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- Iago +++++++++++++++
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 22:40:47 PST
From: Sherri Lynn Godsey <us011164@p.......>
Subject: Re: my note re: the great letter
Just occured to me that I can't send a copy of the nice letter from my local
station about FK to USA -- thats the competition! Too bad -- I'd love for
them to see how well its doing here. But I *will* send a copy to
TriStar/Columbia. Is there anyone else you can think of who should get a
copy of a positive letter about FK ratings locally? Would it help to have
copies of something like that for NATPE (or is that NAPTE?).
Also, will someone please tell me the address where I can send a card to the
Forever Knight group? I want to let them know how much I enjoy the show and
hope to see it rise again... Thanks.
SLG
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Name: Sherri Lynn Godsey, Founding Member SFKS
E-mail: us011164@p.......
"Think where man's glory most begins and ends, And say
my glory was I had such friends" in Forever Knight...
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:21:10 -0800
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK in DANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> posts I had to delete during moderator cleaning. FK is in danger of
> cancellation. For info on how you can help go to
> http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html. Or contact Lisa
> at moonlight@c....... or Sharon at romana@p.......
Um, that'd be "Lisa at moonlight@g......." or "Dianne at moonlight@c......."
(either of us would be happy to help, I'm sure :-)
Dianne
(who thought the "Dian(n)e" s were getting confusing on this list... <g>
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......>
"I hope you'll pardon us if we continue to crusade. :)" -- Jaye
*Web info: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
*FTP short form: ftp://www.empnet.com/pub/sherri
*Non-Web-Capable/Off-List/SUMMARY email loop: moonlight@c.......
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 19:38:48 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Sell FK to Lifetime?
Misogyny in FK, please! The misogyny of Lifetime Channel overwhelms any
misogyny in FK. Any channel that claims to be the "women's channel" and
shows the general dregs, there are exceptions of course, that this
channel shows is not but misogynist.
Bite me,
Barbara
On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Cynthia J. Hoffman wrote:
> Hi Sharon and everyone else,
>
> While I essentially agree about the misogyny in Forever Knight, I'm not sure
> that's a good enough reason not to pursue the idea of Lifetime as a
> possible home for it.
>
> Ever watched what they air? For a station that's supposed to cater to a
> female audience, I'm regularly stunned by the misogyny in what passes for
> women's programming.
>
> Cynthia
>
> Cynthia Hoffman
> choff@v.......
> Forever Knight is in trouble; get more information at
> http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:46:25 -0800
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......>
Subject: REMINDER - Quarter to Midnight!
(In Toronto, at least... quarter on 9 here in LA :-)
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A Little Faith: New Year's Resolutions
To: All Forever Knight Fans
From: Jamie M.R.
Subject: New Year's Resolutions
Date: December 31, 1995
Remember, folks: tonight is New Year's Eve.
They say that whatever you're doing at the stroke of midnight will
determine what the coming year will bring. In this vein (owch!) I bring
you our collective New Year's Resolution:
To preserve Forever Knight in 1996.
Tonight at 11:59:59 pm Eastern (Toronto) Time, wherever you are, whatever
you're doing: close your eyes and wish for a miracle. Maybe we can create
a little magic...
(Midnight eastern time is 11 pm central time, 10 pm mountain time, 9 pm
pacific time... so JUST BEFORE that...)
***************************************************************
Dianne
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......>
"I hope you'll pardon us if we continue to crusade. :)" -- Jaye
*Web info: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
*FTP short form: ftp://www.empnet.com/pub/sherri
*Non-Web-Capable/Off-List/SUMMARY email loop: moonlight@c.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:34:34 EST
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: question/SOS dream
On 31 Dec 95 at 18:09, Lisa Wolters wrote:
> Question: When is the deadline for picking up postcards from the
> Sony site?
> I'm currently webless, and don't know when I'll be "webbed" again;
> anybody
> want to pick up one measly little Ger postcard for me (not that Ger
> could ever be measly or little...)?
>
>
January 12
Karen, Knightie and CEO, Heartbreakers, FFFROG (ktobin@t....... or
KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To find out what you can do to help,
please email me and/or visit:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamieMR/SaveForeverKnight
and http://www.execpc.com/~ltdark
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:06:23 -0500
From: Cal Montgomery <calm@a.......>
Subject: Rae Montor?
I do not think my messages are getting through to Rae. Is there anyone
with better luck who can forward stuff?
-Cal (who just got asked a ton of questions about the show at the virtual
party she just left (but on a listwide topic header), and did leave
relevant addresses and JamiMR's url behind)
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 22:20:42 -0800
From: Sherri <sherric@e.......>
Subject: Way to go.....!!
I just looked at the Save Forever Knight webpage - and there have been over
1000 visitors!! Impressive!
Sherri sherric@e....... Founding Member, SFKS
Help save Forever Knight! The "Save Forever Knight" Web Page --
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
For the web impaired try shortfrm at ftp://www.empnet.com/pub/sherri
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 22:30:46 -0800
From: Sherri <sherric@e.......>
Subject: Fooey on repeats....
Unfair! I recorded FK at the unGodly hour of 3 am Sunday morning/Saturday
night... it was *supposed* to be Blind Faith... I just turned it on, and it's
Blackwing, again....
Sherri sherric@e....... Founding Member, SFKS
Help save Forever Knight! The "Save Forever Knight" Web Page --
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
For the web impaired try shortfrm at ftp://www.empnet.com/pub/sherri
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:36:46 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: the "Who's Doing What" list
Rae -
Not sure why my name is under statistics coordinator... I had
volunteered as a PR person for mundane folks to be able to contact.
If I'm actually supposed to be stats coordinator, could someone tell
me what I'm supposed to be doing? ;>
Nightmist@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:49:38 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Tammy! re:Nielsens!
Technically, this prolly ought to stay in e-mail, but if one person
has gotten confused, then probably more are sitting at home wondering
the same thing...
>Are you supposed to send in all your demos and if they like you,
>they'll send you their book?
Demos of what? Now *I'm* confused... <g>
Basically, the idea I had is that you (and anyone else) can write to
them and tell them (1) your demographics (as I had listed a few days
ago) and (2) what shows you watch, complete with times and channels.
<shrug> Need a form? Lemme know and I'll work on something vaguely
useful.
I don't know if the nielsen folk would take it. But it certainly
couldn't hurt, IMO...
(BTW, does anyone know more about this than I do? Would love more
info...)
nightmist@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:50:27 EST
From: CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject: Anyone else get preempted?
Did anybody elses's local station not air Forever Knight this weekend? Here
we got bumped for some Hawaian celebrity race thing.
I can understand getting bumped for a New Years eve broadcast but this
wasn't.......
Happy New Year everyone!
Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
Knightie,Nick&Natpacker FFROGie
Vaquera
"You're the only supernatural friend I have."Tracy to Vachon
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 23:50:55 -0800
From: Ted Atkinson <llacroix@i.......>
Subject: Interesting web sites
If you have the time, check these out
An article with comments from JP:
http://www.nuke.com/cgi-bin/addin/tvscape/features/forever.htm
Somewhat interesting FK articles:
http://www.cognito.com/0003/articles/00017326/17326824.htm
http://www.cognito.com/0003/articles/00016856/16856902.htm
http://www.cybervanguard.com/columns/eclectic/eclec1195.htm
Some FK graphics most have seen, download them - these are higher
quality than I have seen elsewhere:
http://www.interlog.com/~eerom/fk.html
Have a happy new year! (all things considered)
Ted Atkinson Cousin
llacroix@i.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 02:53:44 -0400
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on tv programming and FK's plight
On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Ngaire Genge wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, admittedly limited :), NTV (in the Candian
> province of Newfoundland), is the only station showing anything other
> than the current season.
Actually, ATV (out of Halifax, Nova Scotia) is also running the first season.
Lynn Stapleton
NatPacker in mourning
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 02:19:42 EST
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: 11:59:59
At 11:59:59 p.m., New Year's Eve, 1995/6, here in Toronto, FK's home,
I felt the troops gathering and the force of the people.
USA doesn't know what it's bitten off <g> when it tries to mess with
US! Wouldn't you like to be there and see their faces when TPTB come
into work on January 2 and their secretaries tell them there's a "bit"
of mail waiting for them?
We WILL be successful!
LONG LIVE THE KNIGHT!!!!
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 23:23:31 -0800
From: "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 31 Dec 1995 - Special issue
A Happy FK New Year to all of you!
-Toni <tch@w.......>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 02:37:13 -0500
From: Bea Quindlen <OCaoin@a.......>
Subject: Re: question/Postcards
I've been picking up charity postcards for Web-deprived people. Just send me
the claim check number. BTW, if there is a personal message (other than Happy
Holiday/SOS type) it will be sent to the person it was intended for.
I think the deadline is mid-January.
Bea OCaoin@a.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 03:02:29 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Warm Fuzzy Inspiration!
Michelle Williams wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 29, 1995 5:39 AM EDT Tammy wrote:
Someone quoted me! Ooooo, I'm so HAPPPPY!
Yes, it's the little things in life...particularly after I've been up
until 4:30am the previous night watching two other people get drunk
and a third person *try* to get drunk....
...on wine.
Go figure. I lead a strange life around the holidays. And ya know,
I'm in the middle of a *FIVE* day weekend and I haven't had any
good old fashioned *spare* time to enjoy it. Sigh...
I read that pep talk post from Lichtenberg. Now *there* is some
uplifting thoughts! I never honestly thought our effort could be
compared to the "save Star Trek" movement, much less that FK itself
could have simaler qualities. It's inspiration, it's hope, and most
of all, it's a comparison to something that's still alive 25+ years
later, and is known by over 25% (or is it 50%?) of the <*WORLD'S*>
population.
And if that's not inspiration to continue the fight, then what is?
Felicia Bollin, thanks for the confirmation. Will spam the appropo
info within the HOUR... <evil grin>
Nightmist@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:04:33 -0800
From: "FRANK J. REGO, JR." <rego1@i.......>
Subject: Ontario Film Investment Program? YNYD...
Happy New Year!
Question: Would it be any help to write to the Ontario Film Investment
Program? I noticed they are on the credits as providing assistance.
Maybe they could use copies of our letters at least. I'm a little
confused on how this all gets worked out. I know we need to concentrate
on Kay, though.
You know your Dad has heard about FK too much when... you are playing
Carmina Burana by Carl Orff and ask your Dad if he knows what it is and
he says,"Is it from Forever Knight?"
LONG LIVE THE KNIGHT!!!!
LORI
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 03:18:25 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Ron's Party - Faerie blood?
I'm sure this has *got* to be some sort of mix. could some kind soul
take pity on me and send me the recipie? I'd love you dearly for it,
really I would! <pant, drool>
RE: Faxing - I see posts about how this intereferes with the work of
the people at USA... I can see the point about the fax paper. (Yes, I
know that stuff's damned expensive) I will even agree with the point
about the fax paper.
Does anyone know what KIND of fax machine(s) USA has? plain paper
faxes use *cheap* paper compared to thermal faxes...
Might also think about faxing late at night. Not during the work day.
Just to keep from tying up their line during business hours.
nightmist@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:25:32 -0800
From: "Victoria L. Litchman" <debbie8@i.......>
Subject: SOS & my $0.02
Just a thought...
I'm delurking to let everyone kniow that i've sent e-mail, snail-mail,
etc.,
BUT
I've noticed that several people live in the New York-New Jersey
metropolitan area.....
How about contacting the Howard Stern radio show?
I am not able to as the station in my area broadcasts on a "tape-delay"
meaning the show has already been broadcast live.
Plus, we all know how he is for ANYTHING Rush Limbaugh is against.
Again, just my $0.02 :)
Debbie8@i.......
Nick & Natpacker
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:28:24 -0800
From: Cherri Munoz <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: Ron's Party - Faerie blood?
At 03:18 AM 1/1/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm sure this has *got* to be some sort of mix. could some kind soul
>take pity on me and send me the recipie? I'd love you dearly for it,
>really I would! <pant, drool>
Yes! Ron! Please post the recipe to the list. This recipe is a must add
to my
Blood/Blood Light mailbox.
Thanks,
Cousin Cherri
"Cousin Cherri Munoz" <cdmunoz@e.......> FK Optimist's Club, Sime/Gen
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
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FOREVER KNIGHT has been cancelled. Please help save it by writing:
Tristar/Columbia Pictures TV, 00000 Xxxxxxxxxx Xxxx, Xxxxxx Xxxx, XX 00000
USA Networks 0000 Xxxxxx Xx Xxx Xxxxxxxx, Xxx Xxxx, XX 00000
**or check out** http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:43:31 -0800
From: Cherri Munoz <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Happy New Year!!!
Happy New Year from windy Southern California!
You guys have been great.
This year will bring more Forever Knight.
REMEMBER: Think Positive!
Cousin Cherri
"Cousin Cherri Munoz" <cdmunoz@e.......> FK Optimist's Club, Sime/Gen
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
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FOREVER KNIGHT has been cancelled. Please help save it by writing:
Tristar/Columbia Pictures TV, 00000 Xxxxxxxxxx Xxxx, Xxxxxx Xxxx, XX 00000
USA Networks 0000 Xxxxxx Xx Xxx Xxxxxxxx, Xxx Xxxx, XX 00000
**or check out** http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 05:03:20 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Confirmation from Perth
On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, Rae Montor wrote:
> Actually (duh!), didn't someone on this list (sorry, I forget who) actually
> talk to Rod Perth at USA, who confirmed the cancellation? Can't *that*
> conversation be quoted?
I did. Friday afternoon, 12/23, Perth told me he had made the
decision to ax the show. He took personal responsibility, though
apparently he later said something else to people from the show.
I said (and it was true enough) that I was calling on behalf of
my bereft daughter, who lives and breathes for FK. I didn't mention that
I do too!
Laura
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 05:25:20 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: the great letter from syndic. stn
On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Sherri Lynn Godsey wrote:
> Just occured to me that I can't send a copy of the nice letter from my local
> station about FK to USA -- thats the competition! Too bad -- I'd love for
> them to see how well its doing here.
I disagree: xerox it and send to Kay K., et al. Anything we can
do to undermine USA's confidence in FK's alleged "poor ratings" will be
helpful, imho -- even if it comes from the competition!
Laura
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:05:08 -0500
From: Lisa Wolters <MVRJasper@a.......>
Subject: thanks for postcard help
Thanks to everyone who offered to pick up my one little Sony postcard, but
it's done been picked up. :)
ObSOS: I posted fliers about our charity drive at a few high-traffic areas I
frequent, and hope to arm-twist... er... *persuade* some friends into
donating to Pediatric AIDS this week. **Do we have a set deadline for the
charity drive, Lisa P.?**
Hope everybody had a good New Year! It's past 3 a.m. and I am wide awake,
the combined effects of too much adreniline, champagne, and caffeine. :)
Did you know that the word adrenilene looks really funny? And that I can't
spell it right now for the life of me? Hoo boy, I *must* need sleep... ;)
Lisa
MVRJasper@a.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:15:07 -0800
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: bags at NATPE; Kaplowitz
Morning, Laura. Happy New Year!
> Incidentally, if we're out there passing out WE WANT FOREVER
>KNIGHT bags at NATPE, wouldn't that be mildly embarrassing for
>Koplovitz
>as she receives her prize?
That WAS the idea. :-) More likely to get media coverage that way,
especially if we hand 'em out the day she gets her prize. (Jan. 24)
Laurie CF
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:20:10 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Fangoria Con in NYC
There is apparently going to be a Fangoria convention this coming weekend
in NYC. If someone has information on this or can get some, it seems like
a natural flyer opportunity.
--
-----<faith!>-----
Jamie M.R. --The Illustrated Cousin -- Mercenary
Save Forever Knight! --
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:29:53 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: Re: Anyone else get preempted?
On Jan 01, 1996 01:50:27, 'CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>' wrote:
>Did anybody elses's local station not air Forever Knight this weekend? Here
>we got bumped for some Hawaian celebrity race thing.
>I can understand getting bumped for a New Years eve broadcast but this
>wasn't.......
Nope. We here in NYC had "Blind Faith" just as scheduled. Both WLIG and
WNYW have been amazing consistent about showing FK, even though it's on
late. WNYW is a Fox station, and oftentimes on Sunday nights things get
delayed by football, sometimes as much as half an hour. Even in those
cases they still show Forever Knight. I plan on giving the station a call
tomorrow to thank them for that! I've heard the ratings for it are low,
but it must be doing something right by them or they wouldn't be so
consistent. I don't think they've missed a week since they began showing
it.
Sharon
--
Sharon Himmanen * romana@p........ Forever Knight has been cancelled.
To help save it, check out
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html or send me email
ASAP!
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:41:37 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Offlist Flame Mail
In response to the large number of "inquiries" I received via private
e-mail:
I do not play 'politics'.
I will not be a pawn in someone else's 'political' games.
And if anyone out there would like to make up their OWN SFK web page, they
are of course free to spend their days and nights writing up fifty-plus
pages of source code, and trying to compile the massive amounts of
ever-changing info coming over the list. The "Web Goddess" bit was a JOKE,
for the humor-impaired; my only thoughts in doing the web page were to help
our cause, NOT to play "big shot" on the list. I'm sorry that there are
those who see my efforts as being self-serving; believe me, they were
anything but.
We would probably be a great deal more effective if people spent their time
writing letters to TPTB, instead of writing flame-mail to fellow
listmembers.
In any case... I only hope that those people who made my New Year's Eve so
"happy" had a similarly "good" time themselves. Karma, y'know.
--
----------
Jamie M.R. --The Illustrated Cousin -- Mercenary
Save Forever Knight! --
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:56:37 -0500
From: Rae Montor <rmontor@v.......>
Subject: Bounced messages to Rae Montor
At 3:16 PM 12/31/95, Will Steeves wrote:
>(Sorry to send this to the entire list, but two pieces of mail that I've sent
>to Rae over the past week and a half, have bounced... Also, I had to re-send
>this at least twice more, as it bounced again - weird).
I've written to Will privately. But -- has anyone else had this problem
with reaching me?!?!
Please let me know (ideally, privately -- but if it doesn't work for some
reason, onlist). Thanks.
Rae M
rmontor@v.......
Working to Keep the Knight Forever
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:56:42 -0500
From: Rae Montor <rmontor@v.......>
Subject: Ego v Pain
Dear All --
Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
>Since I've apparently been demoted from Webgoddess (yes, I've thought about
>it; I'm hurt. Probably just a casual oversight, and I know it... and I'm
>STILL hurt. I think I need to get some sleep...
Deb Martin wrote --
>> ::sigh:: I thought I was trying to do something good by volunteering
>>to put the list together. I guess not...
>
>I just don't have a lot of time
>to think about it: people ask me and I put them on the list.
>
>This ingratitude I'm
>sensing is getting to be too much. The Web Goddess never asked to be on it.
Kayla Clark wrote:
>Remember, from what I understand, this list is to help people know who to
>contact about certain things..
>
>Unless someone else is volunteering, I ask that Deb consider continuing
>maintaining the list. I've printed it and know who to contact should I
>have questions (Deb included).
>
>Chill, guys.
I, too, am glad Deb is doing the list (and have said so, privately). Now
that she's got it organized, and can add new people as they come on board,
it seems more than great to have her there, doing that.
BUT:
Fact: The purpose of the list is, indeed, "to help people know who to
contact about certain things." And who in the name of Whatever is more
important to contact than Jamie? (And who else has two addresses -- one for
Webpage business and one for all other correspondence -- that should be
publicized as having them?)
Fact: When Deb first asked who was running what (and said she was having
difficulty locatin ghte information), I posted to her (cc to the List) a
full list. Jamie was very much on it. Jamie didn't have to ask her: I did.
Fact: Jamie didn't say she was ungrateful. She said she was in pain. These
are different things.
Now we go from fact to opinion:
Opinion: When we cause pain to others, however inadvertently, we should
apologize. We should not complain that they don't appreciate us: we should
apologize.
Opinion: Whatever work we do for the Cause should not be at the expense of
the individual humans involved. If we hurt someone (and it's almost always
entirely by accident), that is a signal that we should stop what we're
doing -- just for a moment -- and comfort the person in pain. After that,
it's more than reasonable -- it's pretty much requisite, for our own egos
and sanity -- to say it was unintentional, and ask for a sign that not only
that we are forgiven, but that our intentions and efforts are appreciated.
Most people accept apologies like that very well, and give reassurances in
return. (I know from personal experience that the actions I have just
described are what Jamie does when she has accidentally hurt someone.) Then
everyone goes on together, understanding each other better and being
friends again.
Apology, forgiveness, appreciation, understanding -- all things we can all
use to make our time here (and I don't mean just on this list) better. And,
while all those things take a bit of time and work, they are (opinion
again) much more valuable than just "chilling".
Peace.
Rae M
rmontor@v.......
Working to Keep the Knight Forever
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:57:03 -0500
From: "Dena M. Koehler" <Anymule@a.......>
Subject: I'm new here
Sorry, but I'm new to this list and I was just wondering what SOS and the
other one N.... is?
Dena
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:21:03 -0500
From: Rae Montor <rmontor@v.......>
Subject: Re: Rae Montor?
At 1:06 AM 1/1/96, Cal Montgomery wrote:
>I do not think my messages are getting through to Rae. Is there anyone
>with better luck who can forward stuff?
I'm here, Cal. (Yes, I'm about to be writing to Cal privately.) I got all
your messages. But I was offline for about 24 hours. I, too, breathe
sometimes. ;)
Will get responses to all my Wonderful Web Elves, and post Arisia Group
information to the List, very soon. Let me read the incoming, and then
post.
Good New Year, all. %)
Rae M
rmontor@v.......
Working to Keep the Knight Forever
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:26:28 GMT
From: Katy Deery <gb61@d.......>
Subject: Save FK abroad
Right, having just signed back on the list I have now visited the save FK
site and got the address of KK. I shall send a letter of course, polite as
always.
They have only just started showing FK over here (England) although I
have been getting tapes of the shows for a couple of years now. Maybe if
they can see there is a market abroad it might help. Who knows. I can but
do my very small bit to add to the larger whole.
Katy Deery <gb61@d.......>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:31:42 EST
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: New Year's Greetings and YKYBDTMSOSS
Hello, Everyone,
Happy New Year to you all! I hope you all had a nice New Year's Eve.
I also hope we all come back to our efforts relaxed and refreshed!
(HA!)
You Know You've Been Doing Too Much Save Our Show Stuff...
...when you go to check Jamie's Save FK page to see if there's
anything new and you are REALLY EXCITED to be the 1000 the hit,
excited enough to e-mail Jamie, who, I'm sure has enough real mail to
deal with!
Karen, Knightie and CEO, Heartbreakers, FFFROG (ktobin@t....... or
KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To find out what you can do to help,
please email me and/or visit:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamieMR/SaveForeverKnight
and http://www.execpc.com/~ltdark
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:49:19 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: More sponsors-need addresses
I taped both showings of FK this weekend. Here are the national
advertisers that I saw. We need addresses for them if we don't already
have them.
Nissan Centra or Ultima (was shown twice)
Windex (from S.E. Johnson Wax)
McDonalds
Halls Cough Drops
1-800-COLLECT
Maalox (was shown twice)
DranoMax (was shown twice)
Contac
Campbell's Chunky
Dimension Films - "From Dusk to Dawn"
Sprint
Cool Mint Listerine toothpaste (with the scary man)
Alka Seltzer Plus Cold Medicine (which I think we have. I seem to remember
writing to them last week).
Hope this helps. Oh, this is probably more for the east coast, but one of
the local ads I saw was for Petland Discounts.
Sharon
--
Sharon Himmanen * romana@p........ Forever Knight has been cancelled.
To help save it, check out
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html or send me email
ASAP!
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:37:27 -0330
From: Ngaire Genge <ngenge@n.......>
Subject: Reaching Off-List Fans
Hello,
One of the biggest problems we face is, of course, reaching off-list FK
fans. Well, Arisia (sp?) isn't the only sf/f/h convention out there :),
and literally thousands of people attend these events all over the
country. As many of these events are fan-run, they're unusually open to
helping other fans with a problem like ours.
Even a small convention listing would take up a lot of room here, but if
you'd like to find one in your area, try searching Yahoo in the
http:/www.yahoo.com/Entertainment/ section under "Science Ficiton,
Fantasy, and Horror" category. There are dozens of convention listings
under the "Conventions" heading. If you don't have Web Access, feel free
to drop me a note and I'll see what I can find in your area.
I contacted a few in my area and they were happy to include a "Save Forever
Knight" flyer in their mailouts and/or make them available at their events!
I've put together some of those fold-and-seal message-grams
(pre-addressed and stamped) to take with me to the cons I attend. Then
all I need is someone to scratch down a few words, sign it, and drop it
in the nearest mail box :).
Incidently, while wandering through the listings, I came across this one:
"PRISONERS OF THE (K)NIGHT. Holiday Inn Yorkdale, Toronto, ON, Canada:
1-800-HOLIDAY; rms C$89/$65. Guests: Deborah Duchene, Nancy Baker.
Multi-media convention devoted to the vampire genre. Memb: C$30 if
booked into the hotel, C$46 otherwise - rates good until 11/1/95. Info:
Prisoners of the (K)night, c/o David Cracey, 203-23 Oriole Rd., Toronto,
Ontario: {E-Mail} maryannbmc@a........ March 29-31, 1996"
For those targeting the media, it can't hurt to mention that there are
enough fans out there for a convention, fans willing to spend their
hard-earned cash on the travel and expenses involved in attending a con.
Just my latest two pence.
Keep the faith,
Ngaire
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:27:51 -0500
From: Rae Montor <rmontor@v.......>
Subject: Re: A great note from a local station
At 8:12 PM 12/31/95, Sherri Lynn Godsey wrote:
>Gang, I just go this little letter back from Bob Ramsey, Director of
>Programming and Promotion at WB-TV, Channel 33, here in Dallas...
Sherri, that is a wonderful letter! More than wonderful -- it is a clear,
rational voice from one of the people we have sometimes referred to as
"them", saying that "they" are on "our" side. (Well, you know that part --
but what I'm saying is that we may have discounted that very real alliance
in ways that were unknowingly self-defeating.)
And all I'm absolutely sure of at the moment is how much I'm smiling!
Thank you SO much for posting that. %)
Rae M
rmontor@v.......
Working to Keep the Knight Forever
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